BusterAg said:

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BlackGold said:

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BusterAg said:

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Haleyscomet50 said:

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If I support you with money, guns, ammo and military equipment you can bet I'm going to tell you what to do. Not being able to stop Israel is like my kids telling me what to do. Not going to fly.

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Pretty sure you are not going to let some crazy fanatic point a live gun at your kids head with no response, either.

Would you have allowed Iran to stockpile 100,000 ballistic missiles to overwhelm Iron Dome and smoke Israel?

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Yes I would have let the government of Israel fight their own fight, convince their own population that warring with Iran was in their interest and to work out a deal with Iran on their own. They are not America and do not represent me or any of my values. Neither does Iran for that matter so I really don't care what happens to either of them. They're halfway around the world and we have our own problems at home we should be focusing on.

The Iranian government hates the US because we let Israel murder their way through ME. If we put the reigns on Israel and treat them like any other ally, we wouldn't be in this mess.

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So,

What to do when Israel attacks Iran, and Iran retaliates by launching missiles indiscriminately (which they did) and a good chunk of them hit our Al Udeid base in Qatar, and about 3,000 American military members die, and you have Marco Rubio in your ear telling you that is exactly what was going to happen, and we all knew it, but you just decided to stick your fingers in your ears and ignore that.

What do you do then?

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Blame the JOOS?

Keyno said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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The entire liberal and terrorist appeaser world was happy with it


That "deal" was horrible. Every conservative knew it at the time. Every honest person knows that now.

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Please quote what I said so I can see what you are responding to.

I'll do it for you this time- the P5 was good with it. That is the permanent members of the UN security council, if you were not sure.

No, sadly (and I know its really depressing to consider) under the democRAT Obama, we had a nuclear deal with Iran which the entire world was good with (except Israel)

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You think that finding appeasement from Russia and China is a good strategy?

eater of the list said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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The entire liberal and terrorist appeaser world was happy with it


That "deal" was horrible. Every conservative knew it at the time. Every honest person knows that now.

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What specifically was bad?

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It allowed Iran to enrich a bunch of Uranium to get closer to making nukes.

Do you not think that was bad?

BusterAg said:

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Keyno said:

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Obama was a very bad democRAT. Very bad. He is a socialist and probably evil.

Obama got the JCPOA signed with Iran in 2015. P5 was happy with it, Iran was happy with it. Israel HATED Obama for it. Trump ripped it up in 2018.

What would I have done? Probably compelled Israel to stand down and re implemented it. The entire world was happy with it (except Israel)

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Except during that time Iran enriched enough uranium to make 11 nukes, right?

Are you super cool with that?

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No. I would like to de nuclearize the entire middle east. The topic of this thread is "what would you do"?

I would enforce the United States long standing foreign policy of non proliferation actually. On the entire Middle East

sts7049 said:

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if we had executed a plan to control SOH in tandem with everything else we did, they would have no semblance of leverage any more.

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This is a decent criticism.

What would a plan to control the SoH look like? Should we have deployed troops on the Iranian border of the sea to ensure that the SoH remained open? If not boots on the ground, what plan to control the SoH would you have recommended?

Keyno said:

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BusterAg said:

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Keyno said:

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Obama was a very bad democRAT. Very bad. He is a socialist and probably evil.

Obama got the JCPOA signed with Iran in 2015. P5 was happy with it, Iran was happy with it. Israel HATED Obama for it. Trump ripped it up in 2018.

What would I have done? Probably compelled Israel to stand down and re implemented it. The entire world was happy with it (except Israel)

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Except during that time Iran enriched enough uranium to make 11 nukes, right?

Are you super cool with that?

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No. I would like to de nuclearize the entire middle east. The topic of this thread is "what would you do"?

I would enforce the United States long standing foreign policy of non proliferation actually. On the entire Middle East

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1) If Iran decided to enrich uranium in pursuit of a nuke, which they did, would you attack them?

2) I understand that you don't want Israel to have a nuke. But, the reality is that they won't use it without express permission from the US. So people are going to disagree with you on that, and that is OK.

BusterAg said:

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eater of the list said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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The entire liberal and terrorist appeaser world was happy with it


That "deal" was horrible. Every conservative knew it at the time. Every honest person knows that now.

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What specifically was bad?

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It allowed Iran to enrich a bunch of Uranium to get closer to making nukes.

Do you not think that was bad?

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Google "nuclear hedge". Also google the "Operation Iraqi Freedom"

Ag with kids said:

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BusterAg said:

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So,

What to do when Israel attacks Iran, and Iran retaliates by launching missiles indiscriminately (which they did) and a good chunk of them hit our Al Udeid base in Qatar, and about 3,000 American military members die, and you have Marco Rubio in your ear telling you that is exactly what was going to happen, and we all knew it, but you just decided to stick your fingers in your ears and ignore that.

What do you do then?

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Blame the JOOS?

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That would be too direct.

Orange Man Bad isn't blatant antisemitism. Better to go with that.

Keyno said:

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BusterAg said:

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eater of the list said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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The entire liberal and terrorist appeaser world was happy with it


That "deal" was horrible. Every conservative knew it at the time. Every honest person knows that now.

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What specifically was bad?

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It allowed Iran to enrich a bunch of Uranium to get closer to making nukes.

Do you not think that was bad?

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Google "nuclear hedge". Also google the "Operation Iraqi Freedom"

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No.

Why don't you make your specific point instead of making some vague reference to some outside material without making a specific point.

That would be much more constructive.

BusterAg said:

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Keyno said:

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BusterAg said:

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eater of the list said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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The entire liberal and terrorist appeaser world was happy with it


That "deal" was horrible. Every conservative knew it at the time. Every honest person knows that now.

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What specifically was bad?

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It allowed Iran to enrich a bunch of Uranium to get closer to making nukes.

Do you not think that was bad?

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Google "nuclear hedge". Also google the "Operation Iraqi Freedom"

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No.

Why don't you make your specific point instead of making some vague reference to some outside material without making a specific point.

That would be much more constructive.

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Keyno said:

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No. I would like to de nuclearize the entire middle east. The topic of this thread is "what would you do"?

I would enforce the United States long standing foreign policy of non proliferation actually. On the entire Middle East

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BusterAg said:

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Ag with kids said:

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BusterAg said:

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So,

What to do when Israel attacks Iran, and Iran retaliates by launching missiles indiscriminately (which they did) and a good chunk of them hit our Al Udeid base in Qatar, and about 3,000 American military members die, and you have Marco Rubio in your ear telling you that is exactly what was going to happen, and we all knew it, but you just decided to stick your fingers in your ears and ignore that.

What do you do then?

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Blame the JOOS?

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That would be too direct.

Orange Man Bad isn't blatant antisemitism. Better to go with that.

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Fair enough...but toss in a back handed comment about Kushner, too.

BusterAg said:

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sts7049 said:

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if we had executed a plan to control SOH in tandem with everything else we did, they would have no semblance of leverage any more.

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This is a decent criticism.

What would a plan to control the SoH look like? Should we have deployed troops on the Iranian border of the sea to ensure that the SoH remained open? If not boots on the ground, what plan to control the SoH would you have recommended?

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i'm not a military commander. it's not my job to come up with a plan on how to control it.

our military and leaders should have had a plan ready to execute, period. the way it looks now is that we either had no plan (which i find hard to believe), or we initially believed the SOH made no difference to us (which was a bad miscalculation). trump seemed to indicate the latter initially in his own statements, however this was quickly proven to not be the case and we will continue to feel the effects of this in the US the longer it's shut down.

also, i'm not suggesting other countries aren't feeling worse effects. some already are and it will get worse for them too. others should stop being chicken sh*ts and bring some force in to help open it up. but, it will absolutely be a problem for the US as well and since we jumped into this with Bibi on our own first the burden kinda does fall on us primarily to deal with the problem.