Trump expands H-2 Visas

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America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down
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America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down


The more things change.

At least those workers can't come and make babies while they're here, right?
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America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

No, it means getting seasonal workers (they have to go home regularly) to where they are needed and there are no Americans to do the jobs. Spare me the BS about Americans flooding to BFE, living 6 to a 3 bedroom farm house, with tractor and livestock skills, working long, hot hours, and still saving money to send home. They're not out there.
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PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

No, it means getting seasonal workers (they have to go home regularly) to where they are needed and there are no Americans to do the jobs. Spare me the BS about Americans flooding to BFE, living 6 to a 3 bedroom farm house, with tractor and livestock skills, working long, hot hours, and still saving money to send home. They're not out there.




Mar-A-Lago is in BFE? Who knew. The jobs you're referencing are filled by H-2A visas, this is H-2B.

"Trump's properties, including Mar-a-Lago, have long relied on the H-2B program to hire temporary foreign labor for landscaping, hospitality, and resort operations.

The January meeting came after the administration announced plans late last year to cut additional H-2B visa slots to roughly 35,000, a nearly 50 percent reduction from prior years.

Weeks after the lobbying session at the president's own club, the administration reversed itself and authorized the maximum 64,716 additional visas allowed by law."
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PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

No, it means getting seasonal workers (they have to go home regularly) to where they are needed and there are no Americans to do the jobs. Spare me the BS about Americans flooding to BFE, living 6 to a 3 bedroom farm house, with tractor and livestock skills, working long, hot hours, and still saving money to send home. They're not out there.

100% this. The guest worker programs are excellent. If there is an American that meets the minimum requirements for the job and applies, the company MUST hire them before filling that role with a guest worker.
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In reply to PaulsBunions • 3:57p, 4/15/26
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America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?
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PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

No, it means getting seasonal workers (they have to go home regularly) to where they are needed and there are no Americans to do the jobs. Spare me the BS about Americans flooding to BFE, living 6 to a 3 bedroom farm house, with tractor and livestock skills, working long, hot hours, and still saving money to send home. They're not out there.



Or…. The government doesn't get involved and businesses have to adjust wages to get the staff they need.

Okay, who am I kidding. We'd have to eliminate government cheese first if we wanted to get the lazy off the dole and working these jobs. Instead we tax the productive so that the leeches can sit at home, and as a result we need Mexicans to solve the problem we've created.

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This program must exclude pregnant women. Full stop.
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doubledog said:
PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?


Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.
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In reply to PaulsBunions • 4:12p, 4/15/26
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PaulsBunions said:
doubledog said:
PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?


Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.


It is relevant because you won't take the low paying job that Americans are jumping up and down to perform. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.
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I can't keep up with all this winning.
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bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
doubledog said:
PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?


Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.


It is relevant. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.


Thats nice, why pay an American $20 an hour when you can hire a migrant for $15? It doesnt change the point. Government is inflating the supply of workers which lowers wages. Feel free to keep supporting government meddling in the marketplace though.
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I dont know answer to this.
But do know that government will make a half ass attempt at sending those suckers back after their season is over, and once economy booms, no one will care and when democrats get in power, they will let them stay forever.
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bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
doubledog said:
PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?


Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.


It is relevant because you won't take the low paying job that Americans are jumping up and down to perform. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.


Replying to your edit: you're so close to getting it. Without H-2 visas they will be forced to adjust their wages to meet the demand.
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In reply to PaulsBunions • 4:19p, 4/15/26
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PaulsBunions said:
bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
doubledog said:
PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?


Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.


It is relevant. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.


Thats nice, why pay an American $20 an hour when you can hire a migrant for $15? It doesnt change the point. Government is inflating the supply of workers which lowers wages. Feel free to keep supporting government meddling in the marketplace though.


This is to complain about non-issues. What new number are you going to throw out as a threshold?

Welfare pays better than $20/h and its in the A/C with a beer or a joint.
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In reply to bobbranco • 4:23p, 4/15/26
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bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
doubledog said:
PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?


Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.


It is relevant. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.


Thats nice, why pay an American $20 an hour when you can hire a migrant for $15? It doesnt change the point. Government is inflating the supply of workers which lowers wages. Feel free to keep supporting government meddling in the marketplace though.


This is to complain about non-issues. What new number are you going to throw out as a threshold?

Welfare pays better than $20/h and its in the A/C with a beer or a joint.


Low wages for Americans and our administration back peddling on earlier decisions is a non-issue? I don't have any "threshold", I say let the market dictate what the price of labor should be without the government importing thousands of foreigners to compete for American jobs. This is socialism.

I wonder how many of yall had my opinion when Trump halfed H2B visas back in January.
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bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
doubledog said:
PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?


Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.


It is relevant because you won't take the low paying job that Americans are jumping up and down to perform. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.


If I didn't have a higher paying job and needed to eat, you bet I would.


The problem as always is government. Giving people money to not work destroys the natural law of supply and demand.
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In reply to PaulsBunions • 4:46p, 4/15/26
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PaulsBunions said:
bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
doubledog said:
PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?


Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.


It is relevant. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.


Thats nice, why pay an American $20 an hour when you can hire a migrant for $15? It doesnt change the point. Government is inflating the supply of workers which lowers wages. Feel free to keep supporting government meddling in the marketplace though.

Can I get Americans with the job skills required to live and work in the conditions outlined? Don't think the employers would pay the fees and put up with the paperwork if they could find Americans to do it.
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In reply to PaulsBunions • 4:53p, 4/15/26
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PaulsBunions said:
bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
doubledog said:
PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?



Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.


It is relevant because you won't take the low paying job that Americans are jumping up and down to perform. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.


Replying to your edit: you're so close to getting it. Without H-2 visas they will be forced to adjust their wages to meet the demand.


I'll add an example. Napa Valley wineries are in real trouble. Significant reduction in demand means reduced prices and businesses going under.

The grapes are picked by hand at night. Which one of you wants that job? The industry Must have foreign workers to survive. Very labor intense season long but more so at harvest.
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B-1 83 said:
PaulsBunions said:
bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
doubledog said:
PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?


Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.


It is relevant. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.


Thats nice, why pay an American $20 an hour when you can hire a migrant for $15? It doesnt change the point. Government is inflating the supply of workers which lowers wages. Feel free to keep supporting government meddling in the marketplace though.

Can I get Americans with the job skills required to live and work in the conditions outlined? Don't think the employers would pay the fees and put up with the paperwork if they could find Americans to do it.


Sure you can, if you offer competitive wages. Should we have daddy government handhold every company?
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In reply to PaulsBunions • 5:00p, 4/15/26
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PaulsBunions said:
doubledog said:
PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?


Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.

Don't confuse MAGA with Conservatism.

For what it's worth, Republicanism and Conservatism are not the same as Capitalism. The most Capitalist party is probably the Libertarian Party.
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Mas89 said:
PaulsBunions said:
bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
doubledog said:
PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?



Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.


It is relevant because you won't take the low paying job that Americans are jumping up and down to perform. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.


Replying to your edit: you're so close to getting it. Without H-2 visas they will be forced to adjust their wages to meet the demand.


I'll add an example. Napa Valley wineries are in real trouble. Significant reduction in demand means reduced prices and businesses going under.

The grapes are picked by hand at night. Which one of you wants that job? The industry Must have foreign workers to survive. Very labor intense season long but more so at harvest.


Agricultural jobs are H2A. This is H2B.

But to answer the question, hire Americans at competitive wages rather than hiring government imported foreigners to take their place at artificially deflated prices.
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eric76 said:
PaulsBunions said:
doubledog said:
PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?


Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.

Don't confuse MAGA with Conservatism.

For what it's worth, Republicanism and Conservatism are not the same as Capitalism. The most Capitalist party is probably the Libertarian Party.


My point was Conservatives should be against socialist practices, such as importing migrants to work at fixed prices. But I agree with you.
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In reply to bobbranco • 5:35p, 4/15/26
bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
doubledog said:
PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?


Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.


It is relevant because you won't take the low paying job that Americans are jumping up and down to perform. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.

And that is the point.
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PaulsBunions said:
B-1 83 said:
PaulsBunions said:
bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
doubledog said:
PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?


Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.


It is relevant. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.


Thats nice, why pay an American $20 an hour when you can hire a migrant for $15? It doesnt change the point. Government is inflating the supply of workers which lowers wages. Feel free to keep supporting government meddling in the marketplace though.

Can I get Americans with the job skills required to live and work in the conditions outlined? Don't think the employers would pay the fees and put up with the paperwork if they could find Americans to do it.


Sure you can, if you offer competitive wages. Should we have daddy government handhold every company?

You are going to get American workers off the couch and away from the street corner to pick lettuce? You probably need to start above $25/h to get a whiff.

Next you will complain about the high cost of living after you employ the Americans.


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Ol_Ag_02 said:
bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
doubledog said:
PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?


Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.


It is relevant because you won't take the low paying job that Americans are jumping up and down to perform. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.


If I didn't have a higher paying job and needed to eat, you bet I would.


The problem as always is government. Giving people money to not work destroys the natural law of supply and demand.


Now get those on welfare to pursue these jobs. Good luck.
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bobbranco said:
Ol_Ag_02 said:
bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
doubledog said:
PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?


Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.


It is relevant because you won't take the low paying job that Americans are jumping up and down to perform. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.


If I didn't have a higher paying job and needed to eat, you bet I would.


The problem as always is government. Giving people money to not work destroys the natural law of supply and demand.


Now get those on welfare to pursue these jobs. Good luck.


End welfare too. Do you think those of us that want government out of the marketplace also want the government to pay people to stay home?
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This is what I voted for!
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Two things
1 The optics look terrible since it benefits his empire.

2 This destroys the incentive for a business to pay a living wage when they can hire someone below that.
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bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
B-1 83 said:
PaulsBunions said:
bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
doubledog said:
PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?


Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.


It is relevant. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.


Thats nice, why pay an American $20 an hour when you can hire a migrant for $15? It doesnt change the point. Government is inflating the supply of workers which lowers wages. Feel free to keep supporting government meddling in the marketplace though.

Can I get Americans with the job skills required to live and work in the conditions outlined? Don't think the employers would pay the fees and put up with the paperwork if they could find Americans to do it.


Sure you can, if you offer competitive wages. Should we have daddy government handhold every company?

You are going to get American workers off the couch and away from the street corner to pick lettuce? You probably need to start above $25/h to get a whiff.

Next you will complain about the high cost of living after you employ the Americans.




Nice assumption there, slippery slope argument. You want government fixed pricing for labor and I'm unreasonable for wanting the market to dictate pricing? Hey if you like socialism thats your business.
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PaulsBunions said:
bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
B-1 83 said:
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bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
doubledog said:
PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?


Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.


It is relevant. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.


Thats nice, why pay an American $20 an hour when you can hire a migrant for $15? It doesnt change the point. Government is inflating the supply of workers which lowers wages. Feel free to keep supporting government meddling in the marketplace though.

Can I get Americans with the job skills required to live and work in the conditions outlined? Don't think the employers would pay the fees and put up with the paperwork if they could find Americans to do it.


Sure you can, if you offer competitive wages. Should we have daddy government handhold every company?

You are going to get American workers off the couch and away from the street corner to pick lettuce? You probably need to start above $25/h to get a whiff.

Next you will complain about the high cost of living after you employ the Americans.




Nice assumption there, slippery slope argument. You want government fixed pricing for labor and I'm unreasonable for wanting the market to dictate pricing? Hey if you like socialism thats your business.

Government should not fix prices for labor. I never stated government should set wages. That's a given. But don't claim that allowing seasonal workers in to work menial low paying jobs no American will perform is setting wages.
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In reply to B-1 83 • 6:05p, 4/15/26
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America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

No, it means getting seasonal workers (they have to go home regularly) to where they are needed and there are no Americans to do the jobs. Spare me the BS about Americans flooding to BFE, living 6 to a 3 bedroom farm house, with tractor and livestock skills, working long, hot hours, and still saving money to send home. They're not out there.


They are seasonal, and the fact that they go back home is a good thing. However, the rest of the statement is not true. Farms do not need near as many hands as they used to and there are more than enough people to make it work in these extremely rural communities. The problem does not come from lack of numbers, it comes from lazy people drawing government paychecks that equal the same amount the seasonal workers make and farmers unwilling to pay more for home grown workers. It's a laziness AND a greed issue. Farmers benefit from welfare too.
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In reply to bobbranco • 6:07p, 4/15/26
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bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
B-1 83 said:
PaulsBunions said:
bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
doubledog said:
PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?


Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.


It is relevant. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.


Thats nice, why pay an American $20 an hour when you can hire a migrant for $15? It doesnt change the point. Government is inflating the supply of workers which lowers wages. Feel free to keep supporting government meddling in the marketplace though.

Can I get Americans with the job skills required to live and work in the conditions outlined? Don't think the employers would pay the fees and put up with the paperwork if they could find Americans to do it.


Sure you can, if you offer competitive wages. Should we have daddy government handhold every company?

You are going to get American workers off the couch and away from the street corner to pick lettuce? You probably need to start above $25/h to get a whiff.

Next you will complain about the high cost of living after you employ the Americans.




Nice assumption there, slippery slope argument. You want government fixed pricing for labor and I'm unreasonable for wanting the market to dictate pricing? Hey if you like socialism thats your business.

Government should not fix prices for labor. I never stated government should set wages. That's a given. But don't claim that allowing seasonal workers in to work menial low paying jobs no American will perform is setting wages.


Sure it is, they artificially cap the minimum wage at $15 as you said then import thousands of migrants to increase the supply of labor to a point where nobody will hire above $15. I say cut the government out of it and let the market decide the price.

And yes, Americans are willing to work these jobs, at competitive wages.
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In reply to PaulsBunions • 6:27p, 4/15/26
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PaulsBunions said:
bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
B-1 83 said:
PaulsBunions said:
bobbranco said:
PaulsBunions said:
doubledog said:
PaulsBunions said:


America first means importing foreign workers to keep wages down

Is the OP ready to put on his big boy boots and go and work in the fields?


Ad Hom and irrelevant. You're thinking of H-2A visas.

When you increase the supply with migrant workers you can lower the wages for Americans. Why pay an American from Florida $10 an hour when you can get a migrant for $7?

But hey if you support government interfering in the market place thats your choice, I thought this board was mostly conservative.


It is relevant. And temporary workers and seasonal workers are paid minimum wage. In Florida it will be $15/h.


Thats nice, why pay an American $20 an hour when you can hire a migrant for $15? It doesnt change the point. Government is inflating the supply of workers which lowers wages. Feel free to keep supporting government meddling in the marketplace though.

Can I get Americans with the job skills required to live and work in the conditions outlined? Don't think the employers would pay the fees and put up with the paperwork if they could find Americans to do it.


Sure you can, if you offer competitive wages. Should we have daddy government handhold every company?

You are going to get American workers off the couch and away from the street corner to pick lettuce? You probably need to start above $25/h to get a whiff.

Next you will complain about the high cost of living after you employ the Americans.




Nice assumption there, slippery slope argument. You want government fixed pricing for labor and I'm unreasonable for wanting the market to dictate pricing? Hey if you like socialism thats your business.

Government should not fix prices for labor. I never stated government should set wages. That's a given. But don't claim that allowing seasonal workers in to work menial low paying jobs no American will perform is setting wages.


Sure it is, they artificially cap the minimum wage at $15 as you said then import thousands of migrants to increase the supply of labor to a point where nobody will hire above $15. I say cut the government out of it and let the market decide the price.

And yes, Americans are willing to work these jobs, at competitive wages.

What's the competitive wage amount?

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