This big brother micro management always comes back to bite you in the butt.
The more you are monitored the more you regret your life decisions, the more you are seek a different path.

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This big brother micro management always comes back to bite you in the butt.
The more you are monitored the more you regret your life decisions, the more you are seek a different path.

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Thinking back to my time in corporate....tracking employees would have really only applied to people at Sr Mgr level and below. If you were above that, there was little to track.

I was in meetings literally all day from 8-6 and usually double and triple booked throughout the day. My office was almost never occupied and I didn't bring my laptop to meetings.

Any actual work output I might have done was completed at home on my own computer because that's the only time I had to do actual work.

Senior Leaders would be largely absent from any of the data.

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AI watching over every move of your employees will get rid of the bad employees, but how are you going to retain top talent?

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You wont. Once your company is known for stuff like this, no one will want to apply. You will be left with average at best talent applying and will get burned out and leave in short order.

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What was the name of that software company in College Station that made applications for car dealerships that timed how long you were in the bathroom each day? They used to employ a lot of college kids in College Station around 2000 or so, but turnover was so bad it was absolutely stunning.

Are they still in existence?

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UCS. I fixed 25 year old dot matrix printers for them around that time and they were the worst. You could tell they had 0 regard for their employees, but it was hard to find a good job in CS then because there were just too many students looking for work. Pizza delivery on campus paid 4x as much as that job did, cash under the table.

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The company still exists in College Station under a different name, Reynolds & Reynolds.

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I had a few friends who used to work at Reynolds & Reynolds. This was around 2002 and they lived in the Chicago area near the airport. They then closed the office and moved it to Dayton, OH and my friends had to leave or move there.

Is it the same company?

I had a roommate that worked at UCS, this would also be the 97 / 98 timeframe. Aren't they the company that would fire employees who smoked, even if it wasn't on company property or company time?

There is a long thread on TexAgs (I think general board) that has horror stories from people who worked there during college.

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AI watching over every move of your employees will get rid of the bad employees, but how are you going to retain top talent?

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You wont. Once your company is known for stuff like this, no one will want to apply. You will be left with average at best talent applying and will get burned out and leave in short order.

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What was the name of that software company in College Station that made applications for car dealerships that timed how long you were in the bathroom each day? They used to employ a lot of college kids in College Station around 2000 or so, but turnover was so bad it was absolutely stunning.

Are they still in existence?

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UCS. I fixed 25 year old dot matrix printers for them around that time and they were the worst. You could tell they had 0 regard for their employees, but it was hard to find a good job in CS then because there were just too many students looking for work. Pizza delivery on campus paid 4x as much as that job did, cash under the table.

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The company still exists in College Station under a different name, Reynolds & Reynolds.

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I had a few friends who used to work at Reynolds & Reynolds. This was around 2002 and they lived in the Chicago area near the airport. They then closed the office and moved it to Dayton, OH and my friends had to leave or move there.

Is it the same company?

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I am not an expert as it has been 28 years since I worked for them but Reynolds & Reynolds was a competitor that was eventually bought by UCS.

UCS had a horrible reputation so they adopted the Rey Rey name.

More from wiki.

Reynolds and Reynolds - Wikipedia

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On August 8, 2006, Reynolds and Reynolds announced it was becoming a private company through a $2.8 billion acquisition by Houston-based Universal Computer Systems (UCS).[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_and_Reynolds#cite_note-17][16][/url] The combined organization had a 40% market share in the dealership management systems sector.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_and_Reynolds#cite_note-18][17][/url] According to Automotive News, there was a "major culture clash" between the two companies. For example, the new CEO would not hire smokers and required annual physicals to maintain health insurance.

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I forgot about the smoking policy.

They'll actually be using AI to see if there is busy work or time wasting routine work they can manage through better processes or automate or consolidate with AI so the human workers can focus on what humans can do best. They'll also study what you do to carry out tasks to try to train AI to be able to replicate or at least speed up or streamline work. They may replace paper shuffling type jobs but a lot of jobs they'll simply allow the existing staff to keep up with growing workloads.

So basically 60% unemployment is around the corner

Well that's gonna look interesting

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In the first article, Zuckerberg will be capturing every employees' keystroke and mouse movement. One stated objective: perform employee evaluations. Certainly replacing the employees with AI is much higher in priority.

Next (second article) Zuck is creating an AI version of himself to place on all employees' computers. Because what could possibly be better than having the surrogate CEO personally give guidance and direction throughout the day?

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Wonder what AI Zuck will think of TexAgs.com

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So basically 60% unemployment is around the corner

Well that's gonna look interesting

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Gonna look like UBI and UHC. No way to pay for it though.

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I had a roommate that worked at UCS, this would also be the 97 / 98 timeframe. Aren't they the company that would fire employees who smoked, even if it wasn't on company property or company time?

There is a long thread on TexAgs (I think general board) that has horror stories from people who worked there during college.

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My roommate and I worked there at the same time. He just stopped going, and they brought me into the supervisors office and grilled me for an hour about him not showing up and making it VERY clear how unprofessional it was to not call and not show, and if someone is going to leave they should give at least 2 weeks notice. Later on I knew I was leaving, so I gave them 3 weeks notice and the same supervisor had security show me the door that minute. I needed the money as I was getting married, so that was just icing on the cake.

TexAgs logins during working hours about to go way down.

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AI watching over every move of your employees will get rid of the bad employees, but how are you going to retain top talent?

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You wont. Once your company is known for stuff like this, no one will want to apply. You will be left with average at best talent applying and will get burned out and leave in short order.

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What was the name of that software company in College Station that made applications for car dealerships that timed how long you were in the bathroom each day? They used to employ a lot of college kids in College Station around 2000 or so, but turnover was so bad it was absolutely stunning.

Are they still in existence?

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UCS. I fixed 25 year old dot matrix printers for them around that time and they were the worst. You could tell they had 0 regard for their employees, but it was hard to find a good job in CS then because there were just too many students looking for work. Pizza delivery on campus paid 4x as much as that job did, cash under the table.

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I worked for Universal Computer Systems in 97-98 for their field tech support as I was finishing up my degree. Their Houston office was even more dystopian. Had to enter your destination code as you walked through the hallways so they could track you as you went to a different area. The COBOL programmers each had a light installed in their office that let them know when their print job was done, so they wouldn't get up from their desk and stop coding. Once the light turned green you could go pick up your printout.

Logged every telephone call and reported it at the end of each month. You were given a list of all calls sent and received and had to notate what they were. They were big brother before big brother was cool.

The company still exists in College Station under a different name, Reynolds & Reynolds.

We installed solitaire on a remote computer and played it during our downtime. You can't beat college kids (especially a bunch of CS majors) with your outdated tracking technology.

As for software development, the field seems to be dead. I just had a CS major from A&M that graduated with honors and has two years of real experience apply for a job. His desired salary was $60k.

I know a couple of people that were making $60k in their first job out of school in 1998!

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Ah yes, UCS. I had friends that worked there and heard almost identical stories. I really hated my job at the time, but I didn't feel so bad after listening to them ***** about work.

I wouldn't have put up with that 1984 Orwellian garbage for more than a week before I quit. That's insane micromanagement that probably required an expensive bureaucracy to maintain.

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The Tech CEO'S especially the ones that have subscriptions that prop up there profits have said there is NO amount of subscriptions the can give the ROI on A.I. investment. LET THAT SINK IN!

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Which is why I think many of these articles are of course agenda driven to try and scare everyone into adoption while at the same time pumping up the valuation of these same AI companies.

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I agree.

There are a lot of stores out there on the interwebs from people in AI and on Wall Street who are talking about how there'll be a huge bubble burst after AI reaches its zenith. And, to make it worse, it's supposed to happen much sooner than previous bubbles.

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So basically 60% unemployment is around the corner

Well that's gonna look interesting

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Gonna look like UBI and UHC. No way to pay for it though.

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I have a buddy that is on the UBI train. Conservative guy

Basically says, well, it's gonna have to be UBI. Says it will work out fine because, well, there is no other choice, since 80% of white collar jobs will be gone in about 24-36 months

I hear people say "UBI" all the time, but it is so far detached from reality, that it defines explanation. Mass UBI, with no corresponding production of goods and services, will necessarily lead to worthless currency and massive die-off

I simply cannot fathom how anyone thinks there will not be massive die-off. 330,000,000 and nobody working or earning a living, but yeah handing out play money is going to pay for food, transportation, existing mortgage, etc

And the kicker? It has never been a secret that the super wealthy want a planet with about 10% of its current population. Gates has been a proponent of population control for decades

Hang on to your butts and hug your kids

I talk about this all the time with colleagues and friends. You have to keep incentivizing ingenuity and creativity. Competition drives innovation. As long as that remains, we can and will continue to thrive even in the midst of AI.

UBI is the most dangerous concept that is out there and will destroy the entire fabric of our society.

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I talk about this all the time with colleagues and friends. You have to keep incentivizing ingenuity and creativity. Competition drives innovation. As long as that remains, we can and will continue to thrive even in the midst of AI.

UBI is the most dangerous concept that is out there and will destroy the entire fabric of our society.

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You have to remember how economically illiterate most of our policymakers are

And yes, it would fail in spectacular fashion

And I agree with the rest of your post, yes, there will be a relatively few super talented individuals, innovative entrepreneurs, that are able to stay on top of it

But most of the population is working stiffs that will be shoved out. And I'm talking 100,000,000 or more

You don't recover from that

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So basically 60% unemployment is around the corner

Well that's gonna look interesting

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Gonna look like UBI and UHC. No way to pay for it though.

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I have a buddy that is on the UBI train. Conservative guy

Basically says, well, it's gonna have to be UBI. Says it will work out fine because, well, there is no other choice, since 80% of white collar jobs will be gone in about 24-36 months

I hear people say "UBI" all the time, but it is so far detached from reality, that it defines explanation. Mass UBI, with no corresponding production of goods and services, will necessarily lead to worthless currency and massive die-off

I simply cannot fathom how anyone thinks there will not be massive die-off. 330,000,000 and nobody working or earning a living, but yeah handing out play money is going to pay for food, transportation, existing mortgage, etc

And the kicker? It has never been a secret that the super wealthy want a planet with about 10% of its current population. Gates has been a proponent of population control for decades

Hang on to your butts and hug your kids

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Whole thing defies reality.

A lot of the tech bros are in on it now including the big wigs like Elon. I've actually had some arguments with some of them on LinkedIn that I'm acquainted with.

Their hypothesis is that money is going to be irrelevant anyway because AI and robots will be ubiquitous and producing such an overabundance of stuff and services that money will no longer matter. Thus, UBI and UHC will have no barriers and costs are irrelevant.

Elon was directly asked by Larry Fink how this would not negatively humanity from a "purpose of living" standpoint and Elon's response was, "No plan is perfect." And then he laughed. Listened to it live on CNBC. So, yeah, anyone who gets meaning from work and pretty much doing anything is going to die miserably.

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I talk about this all the time with colleagues and friends. You have to keep incentivizing ingenuity and creativity. Competition drives innovation. As long as that remains, we can and will continue to thrive even in the midst of AI.

UBI is the most dangerous concept that is out there and will destroy the entire fabric of our society.

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Yep. UBI just raises the floor. It's mass minimum wage.

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I had a roommate that worked at UCS, this would also be the 97 / 98 timeframe. Aren't they the company that would fire employees who smoked, even if it wasn't on company property or company time?

There is a long thread on TexAgs (I think general board) that has horror stories from people who worked there during college.

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My roommate and I worked there at the same time. He just stopped going, and they brought me into the supervisors office and grilled me for an hour about him not showing up and making it VERY clear how unprofessional it was to not call and not show, and if someone is going to leave they should give at least 2 weeks notice. Later on I knew I was leaving, so I gave them 3 weeks notice and the same supervisor had security show me the door that minute. I needed the money as I was getting married, so that was just icing on the cake.

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Yeah - that sucks. Companies who don't let you work out your two week notice, or at least pay you out the two weeks, are crap companies in my opinion. Had that happen to me once. When I started with said company I even signed paperwork promising I'd give two weeks when resigning. When I put in my notice they walked me out right away. *******s…

The same kind of companies who don't respect or trust their employees, so they micro manage their keystrokes, etc.

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I am retiring (again) on 30April at 62 years old. I won't miss any of the office crap. The Dept of the Army is sounding "charge" on AI. Everyone in this 3-star HQ I work at is trying to figure out how AI can "help" them do their job.
Fools…

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I've got one more year at most. Can't wait to walk out the door that last day. Would do it today except for healthcare

If there is ever UBI, the entire service industry dies. No hotels, no restaurants, no vacations, no airlines, no small businesses, etc.

You will get a ration of green goo to eat, and nothing else. It will be hell on earth.

Where are all the massive data centers going to go? Land isn't the issue.

Where will the water and energy to run them come from? We going to prop up hundreds of micro-reactors all over the country/world to power them?

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If there is ever UBI, the entire service industry dies. No hotels, no restaurants, no vacations, no airlines, no small businesses, etc.

You will get a ration of green goo to eat, and nothing else. It will be hell on earth.

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I can skin a buck, and run a trot-line.....

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If there is ever UBI, the entire service industry dies. No hotels, no restaurants, no vacations, no airlines, no small businesses, etc.

You will get a ration of green goo to eat, and nothing else. It will be hell on earth.

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I can skin a buck, and run a trot-line.....

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The supply of animals would be gone in 30 days. This follows history

Space

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If there is ever UBI, the entire service industry dies. No hotels, no restaurants, no vacations, no airlines, no small businesses, etc.

You will get a ration of green goo to eat, and nothing else. It will be hell on earth.

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Wall-E might have gotten it exactly right

Oh, I think it will be more than just those with work ethic, and intrinsic purpose.

I think the whole notion that everybody's gonna be fine because money no longer be needed, everything is dirt cheap, is a ridiculous pipe dream

Wouldn't you still need money to pay your existing 30 year note? What are they just gonna cancel all debt?

Yeah it's one of the dumbest ideas ever floated

5000 years of competitive commerce, poof, gone, no longer needed, everybody lives in utopian bliss

You'd have to be an absolute idiot to believe that

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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If there is ever UBI, the entire service industry dies. No hotels, no restaurants, no vacations, no airlines, no small businesses, etc.

You will get a ration of green goo to eat, and nothing else. It will be hell on earth.

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I can skin a buck, and run a trot-line.....

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That's good. Should work for about two weeks.

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Captain Pablo said:

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So basically 60% unemployment is around the corner

Well that's gonna look interesting

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Gonna look like UBI and UHC. No way to pay for it though.

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I have a buddy that is on the UBI train. Conservative guy

Basically says, well, it's gonna have to be UBI. Says it will work out fine because, well, there is no other choice, since 80% of white collar jobs will be gone in about 24-36 months

I hear people say "UBI" all the time, but it is so far detached from reality, that it defines explanation. Mass UBI, with no corresponding production of goods and services, will necessarily lead to worthless currency and massive die-off

I simply cannot fathom how anyone thinks there will not be massive die-off. 330,000,000 and nobody working or earning a living, but yeah handing out play money is going to pay for food, transportation, existing mortgage, etc

And the kicker? It has never been a secret that the super wealthy want a planet with about 10% of its current population. Gates has been a proponent of population control for decades

Hang on to your butts and hug your kids

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Whole thing defies reality.

A lot of the tech bros are in on it now including the big wigs like Elon. I've actually had some arguments with some of them on LinkedIn that I'm acquainted with.

Their hypothesis is that money is going to be irrelevant anyway because AI and robots will be ubiquitous and producing such an overabundance of stuff and services that money will no longer matter. Thus, UBI and UHC will have no barriers and costs are irrelevant.

Elon was directly asked by Larry Fink how this would not negatively humanity from a "purpose of living" standpoint and Elon's response was, "No plan is perfect." And then he laughed. Listened to it live on CNBC. So, yeah, anyone who gets meaning from work and pretty much doing anything is going to die miserably.

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My purpose in life is Jesus, Family, Fly Fishing, and Hunting. I just need to take up gardening and we should be fine.

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Space

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The final frontier.

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Aggie Infantry said:

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I am retiring (again) on 30April at 62 years old. I won't miss any of the office crap. The Dept of the Army is sounding "charge" on AI. Everyone in this 3-star HQ I work at is trying to figure out how AI can "help" them do their job.
Fools…

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I've got one more year at most. Can't wait to walk out the door that last day. Would do it today except for healthcare

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Uhhhh. You may want to think again.

You think 401Ks or pensions will keep you afloat for the last 20 years of your life?

Who's going to fund those pensions? And what are those 401(k) investments going to look like with nobody producing a damn thing?

The future of everything is bleak. If you're under 40 you need to be planning for the world to look very very different from what we can even imagine right now.

AI is going to absolutely blow our Universe wide open within 10 years. If you can start a service business or something manual that they won't be able to get physical robots to do anytime soon, do it now and go all-in.

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BlueSmoke said:

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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If there is ever UBI, the entire service industry dies. No hotels, no restaurants, no vacations, no airlines, no small businesses, etc.

You will get a ration of green goo to eat, and nothing else. It will be hell on earth.

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I can skin a buck, and run a trot-line.....

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The supply of animals would be gone in 30 days. This follows history

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