what the hell is a pension?

I'm perfectly fine financially - my kids will have a nice inheritance

BlueSmoke said:

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samurai_science said:

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BlueSmoke said:

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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If there is ever UBI, the entire service industry dies. No hotels, no restaurants, no vacations, no airlines, no small businesses, etc.

You will get a ration of green goo to eat, and nothing else. It will be hell on earth.

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I can skin a buck, and run a trot-line.....

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The supply of animals would be gone in 30 days. This follows history

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Ya ate sand?

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what the hell is a pension?

I'm perfectly fine financially - my kids will have a nice inheritance

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I'm saying, don't be so sure you will be secure. Nothing is going to look like it does now. The assets you have now that make you so "financially fine", may not be around.

Captain Pablo said:

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Oh, I think it will be more than just those with work ethic, and intrinsic purpose.

I think the whole notion that everybody's gonna be fine because money no longer be needed, everything is dirt cheap, is a ridiculous pipe dream

Wouldn't you still need money to pay your existing 30 year note? What are they just gonna cancel all debt?

Yeah it's one of the dumbest ideas ever floated

5000 years of competitive commerce, poof, gone, no longer needed, everybody lives in utopian bliss

You'd have to be an absolute idiot to believe that

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According to Elon, he said it's pointless to even save for retirement. Money will be that irrelevant. It won't exist.

For someone as smart as he is, he's simultaneously a dumbass writing off human behavior like he is.

The Chicken Ranch said:

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If AI, takes my job I'll be ok. I'm not ready to retire, monetarily, but I am mentally ready.

I can find something to do that I enjoy that AI can't do. Like yard work, repair dive regulators, help researchers at A&M, or something. Sure, it wouldn't pay what I make, but as I grow older I will want something stimulating as I slide off of my peak earnings.

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I'm in the exact same boat. AI can't replace my idea of being a fishing guide in retirement though.

YouBet said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Oh, I think it will be more than just those with work ethic, and intrinsic purpose.

I think the whole notion that everybody's gonna be fine because money no longer be needed, everything is dirt cheap, is a ridiculous pipe dream

Wouldn't you still need money to pay your existing 30 year note? What are they just gonna cancel all debt?

Yeah it's one of the dumbest ideas ever floated

5000 years of competitive commerce, poof, gone, no longer needed, everybody lives in utopian bliss

You'd have to be an absolute idiot to believe that

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According to Elon, he said it's pointless to even save for retirement. Money will be that irrelevant. It won't exist.

For someone as smart as he is, he's simultaneously a dumbass writing off human behavior like he is.

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It will be far from Utopian bliss, but I'd bet that he's a lot closer on his prediction than I would be. Definitely won't catch me betting against him or his predictions.

Captain Pablo said:

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BlueSmoke said:

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samurai_science said:

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BlueSmoke said:

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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If there is ever UBI, the entire service industry dies. No hotels, no restaurants, no vacations, no airlines, no small businesses, etc.

You will get a ration of green goo to eat, and nothing else. It will be hell on earth.

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I can skin a buck, and run a trot-line.....

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The supply of animals would be gone in 30 days. This follows history

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Ya ate sand?

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MouthBQ98 said:

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They'll actually be using AI to see if there is busy work or time wasting routine work they can manage through better processes or automate or consolidate with AI so the human workers can focus on what humans can do best. They'll also study what you do to carry out tasks to try to train AI to be able to replicate or at least speed up or streamline work. They may replace paper shuffling type jobs but a lot of jobs they'll simply allow the existing staff to keep up with growing workloads.

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What about innovators?

They don't keep banging on the keyboard every minute. They may go to the park to think.

Not every job is a widget making job these corp honchos think.

YouBet said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Oh, I think it will be more than just those with work ethic, and intrinsic purpose.

I think the whole notion that everybody's gonna be fine because money no longer be needed, everything is dirt cheap, is a ridiculous pipe dream

Wouldn't you still need money to pay your existing 30 year note? What are they just gonna cancel all debt?

Yeah it's one of the dumbest ideas ever floated

5000 years of competitive commerce, poof, gone, no longer needed, everybody lives in utopian bliss

You'd have to be an absolute idiot to believe that

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According to Elon, he said it's pointless to even save for retirement. Money will be that irrelevant. It won't exist.

For someone as smart as he is, he's simultaneously a dumbass writing off human behavior like he is.

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Yes he is a dumbass. I believe he has one or two talents that is world class and he used it to be No 1 richest. He sucks on everything else.

Which is why we mustn't idolize people just because they got successful at business/money.

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So basically 60% unemployment is around the corner

Well that's gonna look interesting

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But we still need H1B for "innovation", amirite?

infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Oh, I think it will be more than just those with work ethic, and intrinsic purpose.

I think the whole notion that everybody's gonna be fine because money no longer be needed, everything is dirt cheap, is a ridiculous pipe dream

Wouldn't you still need money to pay your existing 30 year note? What are they just gonna cancel all debt?

Yeah it's one of the dumbest ideas ever floated

5000 years of competitive commerce, poof, gone, no longer needed, everybody lives in utopian bliss

You'd have to be an absolute idiot to believe that

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According to Elon, he said it's pointless to even save for retirement. Money will be that irrelevant. It won't exist.

For someone as smart as he is, he's simultaneously a dumbass writing off human behavior like he is.

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Yes he is a dumbass. I believe he has one or two talents that is world class and he used it to be No 1 richest. He sucks on everything else.

Which is why we mustn't idolize people just because they got successful at business/money.

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I'd love to stack your IQ next to his

BlueSmoke said:

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Where are all the massive data centers going to go? Land isn't the issue.

Where will the water and energy to run them come from? We going to prop up hundreds of micro-reactors all over the country/world to power them?

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Why aren't the data centers going in space? They could be orbiting, with their own nuclear reactor for power, and space is cold. Why build them on land?

No one seems to be able to answer this question, that my little redneck brain has.

Teslag said:

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infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Oh, I think it will be more than just those with work ethic, and intrinsic purpose.

I think the whole notion that everybody's gonna be fine because money no longer be needed, everything is dirt cheap, is a ridiculous pipe dream

Wouldn't you still need money to pay your existing 30 year note? What are they just gonna cancel all debt?

Yeah it's one of the dumbest ideas ever floated

5000 years of competitive commerce, poof, gone, no longer needed, everybody lives in utopian bliss

You'd have to be an absolute idiot to believe that

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According to Elon, he said it's pointless to even save for retirement. Money will be that irrelevant. It won't exist.

For someone as smart as he is, he's simultaneously a dumbass writing off human behavior like he is.

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Yes he is a dumbass. I believe he has one or two talents that is world class and he used it to be No 1 richest. He sucks on everything else.

Which is why we mustn't idolize people just because they got successful at business/money.

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I'd love to stack your IQ next to his

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So you're not saving for retirement?

The Chicken Ranch said:

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If there is ever UBI, the entire service industry dies. No hotels, no restaurants, no vacations, no airlines, no small businesses, etc.

You will get a ration of green goo to eat, and nothing else. It will be hell on earth.

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Lmao dramatic much?

Phatbob said:

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BusterAg said:

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Hoyt Ag said:

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AI watching over every move of your employees will get rid of the bad employees, but how are you going to retain top talent?

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You wont. Once your company is known for stuff like this, no one will want to apply. You will be left with average at best talent applying and will get burned out and leave in short order.

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What was the name of that software company in College Station that made applications for car dealerships that timed how long you were in the bathroom each day? They used to employ a lot of college kids in College Station around 2000 or so, but turnover was so bad it was absolutely stunning.

Are they still in existence?

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UCS. I fixed 25 year old dot matrix printers for them around that time and they were the worst. You could tell they had 0 regard for their employees, but it was hard to find a good job in CS then because there were just too many students looking for work. Pizza delivery on campus paid 4x as much as that job did, cash under the table.

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I did that!

Hank the Grifter said:

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Teslag said:

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infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Oh, I think it will be more than just those with work ethic, and intrinsic purpose.

I think the whole notion that everybody's gonna be fine because money no longer be needed, everything is dirt cheap, is a ridiculous pipe dream

Wouldn't you still need money to pay your existing 30 year note? What are they just gonna cancel all debt?

Yeah it's one of the dumbest ideas ever floated

5000 years of competitive commerce, poof, gone, no longer needed, everybody lives in utopian bliss

You'd have to be an absolute idiot to believe that

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According to Elon, he said it's pointless to even save for retirement. Money will be that irrelevant. It won't exist.

For someone as smart as he is, he's simultaneously a dumbass writing off human behavior like he is.

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Yes he is a dumbass. I believe he has one or two talents that is world class and he used it to be No 1 richest. He sucks on everything else.

Which is why we mustn't idolize people just because they got successful at business/money.

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I'd love to stack your IQ next to his

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So you're not saving for retirement?

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Only whatever my 401k match is because it's free money. Other than that I've got pensions and disability.

I also think I won't live much past 70 to 75.

The Chicken Ranch said:

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BlueSmoke said:

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Where are all the massive data centers going to go? Land isn't the issue.

Where will the water and energy to run them come from? We going to prop up hundreds of micro-reactors all over the country/world to power them?

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Why aren't the data centers going in space? They could be orbiting, with their own nuclear reactor for power, and space is cold. Why build them on land?

No one seems to be able to answer this question, that my little redneck brain has.

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I'm sure it's not cheap. Maintenance has to be a nightmare, and the ramifications from the public of launching massive, nuke-powered satellites into low orbit isn't a fun sale to make.

What incentives will people have to work those jobs if they have UBI? Seriously.

FWTXAg said:

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YouBet said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Oh, I think it will be more than just those with work ethic, and intrinsic purpose.

I think the whole notion that everybody's gonna be fine because money no longer be needed, everything is dirt cheap, is a ridiculous pipe dream

Wouldn't you still need money to pay your existing 30 year note? What are they just gonna cancel all debt?

Yeah it's one of the dumbest ideas ever floated

5000 years of competitive commerce, poof, gone, no longer needed, everybody lives in utopian bliss

You'd have to be an absolute idiot to believe that

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According to Elon, he said it's pointless to even save for retirement. Money will be that irrelevant. It won't exist.

For someone as smart as he is, he's simultaneously a dumbass writing off human behavior like he is.

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It will be far from Utopian bliss, but I'd bet that he's a lot closer on his prediction than I would be. Definitely won't catch me betting against him or his predictions.

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I would agree he's likely to be closer than I am on predictions, but he's flat out ignoring human behavior or arguably doesn't care based on his own response when asked about how humanity will be affected.

Humanity is not going to go quietly into the night of just adopting zero work ethic and sitting around waiting to die. Don't get me wrong; many people will happily adopt this, but many won't.

The Chicken Ranch said:

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BlueSmoke said:

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Where are all the massive data centers going to go? Land isn't the issue.

Where will the water and energy to run them come from? We going to prop up hundreds of micro-reactors all over the country/world to power them?

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Why aren't the data centers going in space? They could be orbiting, with their own nuclear reactor for power, and space is cold. Why build them on land?

No one seems to be able to answer this question, that my little redneck brain has.

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I'll answer that. They won't put data centers in space, because they'll need $23423525 Trillion dollars to shoot a power plant the size of the STNP into space, or cover the area between the earth and moon with solar panels.

YouBet said:

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FWTXAg said:

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YouBet said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Oh, I think it will be more than just those with work ethic, and intrinsic purpose.

I think the whole notion that everybody's gonna be fine because money no longer be needed, everything is dirt cheap, is a ridiculous pipe dream

Wouldn't you still need money to pay your existing 30 year note? What are they just gonna cancel all debt?

Yeah it's one of the dumbest ideas ever floated

5000 years of competitive commerce, poof, gone, no longer needed, everybody lives in utopian bliss

You'd have to be an absolute idiot to believe that

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According to Elon, he said it's pointless to even save for retirement. Money will be that irrelevant. It won't exist.

For someone as smart as he is, he's simultaneously a dumbass writing off human behavior like he is.

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It will be far from Utopian bliss, but I'd bet that he's a lot closer on his prediction than I would be. Definitely won't catch me betting against him or his predictions.

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I would agree he's likely to be closer than I am on predictions, but he's flat out ignoring human behavior or arguably doesn't care based on his own response when asked about how humanity will be affected.

Humanity is not going to go quietly into the night of just adopting zero work ethic and sitting around waiting to die. Don't get me wrong; many people will happily adopt this, but many won't.

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I think it might surprise you the percentage of people that are already living life every day just waiting to die. It's a lot higher percentage than it used to be. Younger generations don't have hope for the future like what most people 50+ did growing up. A lot of that is probably self inflicted problems with the younger generation, but it is the truth nonetheless.

FWTXAg said:

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YouBet said:

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FWTXAg said:

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YouBet said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Oh, I think it will be more than just those with work ethic, and intrinsic purpose.

I think the whole notion that everybody's gonna be fine because money no longer be needed, everything is dirt cheap, is a ridiculous pipe dream

Wouldn't you still need money to pay your existing 30 year note? What are they just gonna cancel all debt?

Yeah it's one of the dumbest ideas ever floated

5000 years of competitive commerce, poof, gone, no longer needed, everybody lives in utopian bliss

You'd have to be an absolute idiot to believe that

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According to Elon, he said it's pointless to even save for retirement. Money will be that irrelevant. It won't exist.

For someone as smart as he is, he's simultaneously a dumbass writing off human behavior like he is.

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It will be far from Utopian bliss, but I'd bet that he's a lot closer on his prediction than I would be. Definitely won't catch me betting against him or his predictions.

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I would agree he's likely to be closer than I am on predictions, but he's flat out ignoring human behavior or arguably doesn't care based on his own response when asked about how humanity will be affected.

Humanity is not going to go quietly into the night of just adopting zero work ethic and sitting around waiting to die. Don't get me wrong; many people will happily adopt this, but many won't.

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I think it might surprise you the percentage of people that are already living life every day just waiting to die. It's a lot higher percentage than it used to be. Younger generations don't have hope for the future like what most people 50+ did growing up. A lot of that is probably self inflicted problems with the younger generation, but it is the truth nonetheless.

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Well, I guess we will die out with a whimper then.

Teslag said:

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infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Oh, I think it will be more than just those with work ethic, and intrinsic purpose.

I think the whole notion that everybody's gonna be fine because money no longer be needed, everything is dirt cheap, is a ridiculous pipe dream

Wouldn't you still need money to pay your existing 30 year note? What are they just gonna cancel all debt?

Yeah it's one of the dumbest ideas ever floated

5000 years of competitive commerce, poof, gone, no longer needed, everybody lives in utopian bliss

You'd have to be an absolute idiot to believe that

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According to Elon, he said it's pointless to even save for retirement. Money will be that irrelevant. It won't exist.

For someone as smart as he is, he's simultaneously a dumbass writing off human behavior like he is.

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Yes he is a dumbass. I believe he has one or two talents that is world class and he used it to be No 1 richest. He sucks on everything else.

Which is why we mustn't idolize people just because they got successful at business/money.

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I'd love to stack your IQ next to his

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Go for it.

YouBet said:

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FWTXAg said:

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YouBet said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Oh, I think it will be more than just those with work ethic, and intrinsic purpose.

I think the whole notion that everybody's gonna be fine because money no longer be needed, everything is dirt cheap, is a ridiculous pipe dream

Wouldn't you still need money to pay your existing 30 year note? What are they just gonna cancel all debt?

Yeah it's one of the dumbest ideas ever floated

5000 years of competitive commerce, poof, gone, no longer needed, everybody lives in utopian bliss

You'd have to be an absolute idiot to believe that

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According to Elon, he said it's pointless to even save for retirement. Money will be that irrelevant. It won't exist.

For someone as smart as he is, he's simultaneously a dumbass writing off human behavior like he is.

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It will be far from Utopian bliss, but I'd bet that he's a lot closer on his prediction than I would be. Definitely won't catch me betting against him or his predictions.

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I would agree he's likely to be closer than I am on predictions, but he's flat out ignoring human behavior or arguably doesn't care based on his own response when asked about how humanity will be affected.

Humanity is not going to go quietly into the night of just adopting zero work ethic and sitting around waiting to die. Don't get me wrong; many people will happily adopt this, but many won't.

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He is a grifter and a charlatan, plain and simple. He is super smart and super capable as well so that makes him very dangerous.

Universal Income will never work because of human nature (as you say above). There is always going to be a Smart Steve who says why the hell am I getting $5k when Bumblehead Bob is getting the same amount and I am 100 times better than he is. Which will cause Steve to start his own company or do something to make $10k extra which means we are back to where we were in the first place.

Musk could at least say this, instead he is trying to sell people a non-workable idea.

infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Oh, I think it will be more than just those with work ethic, and intrinsic purpose.

I think the whole notion that everybody's gonna be fine because money no longer be needed, everything is dirt cheap, is a ridiculous pipe dream

Wouldn't you still need money to pay your existing 30 year note? What are they just gonna cancel all debt?

Yeah it's one of the dumbest ideas ever floated

5000 years of competitive commerce, poof, gone, no longer needed, everybody lives in utopian bliss

You'd have to be an absolute idiot to believe that

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According to Elon, he said it's pointless to even save for retirement. Money will be that irrelevant. It won't exist.

For someone as smart as he is, he's simultaneously a dumbass writing off human behavior like he is.

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Yes he is a dumbass. I believe he has one or two talents that is world class and he used it to be No 1 richest. He sucks on everything else.

Which is why we mustn't idolize people just because they got successful at business/money.

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Elon has a world class memory, and incredibly talented analytical mind that makes him a genius but also leads to his borderline personality disorder, will work every person he comes in contact with under the table, and is not afraid at all of running over people that are in his way.

It's a pretty impressive skill set.

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So basically 60% unemployment is around the corner

Well that's gonna look interesting

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All those bookkeeping ladies that were doing accounting with adding machines, T-account tablets and pencils all found jobs after Excel displaced them. The same thing will happen here.

Principal Uncertainty said:

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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BlueSmoke said:

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Where are all the massive data centers going to go? Land isn't the issue.

Where will the water and energy to run them come from? We going to prop up hundreds of micro-reactors all over the country/world to power them?

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Why aren't the data centers going in space? They could be orbiting, with their own nuclear reactor for power, and space is cold. Why build them on land?

No one seems to be able to answer this question, that my little redneck brain has.

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I'll answer that. They won't put data centers in space, because they'll need $23423525 Trillion dollars to shoot a power plant the size of the STNP into space, or cover the area between the earth and moon with solar panels.

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If money doesn't matter any more, what's a few Million Trillion bucks among friends. Let's just go full Dyson Sphere

Captain Pablo said:

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since 80% of white collar jobs will be gone in about 24-36 months

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Is anyone aware of a betting market contract that I can invest in that is similar to this?

People that are saying this are insane! Even if the tech was perfect, it would take more than 3 years to implement in these large corporations.

YouBet said:

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Their hypothesis is that money is going to be irrelevant anyway because AI and robots will be ubiquitous and producing such an overabundance of stuff and services that money will no longer matter. Thus, UBI and UHC will have no barriers and costs are irrelevant.

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Idiots have been saying this since Malthus.

I am still waiting for my George Jetson 4 hour workweek so I can go to robot football games with Spacely Sprocket. That show was from 1950, and it hasn't happened yet.

gigemags-99 said:

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Phatbob said:

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gigemags-99 said:

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I had a roommate that worked at UCS, this would also be the 97 / 98 timeframe. Aren't they the company that would fire employees who smoked, even if it wasn't on company property or company time?

There is a long thread on TexAgs (I think general board) that has horror stories from people who worked there during college.

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My roommate and I worked there at the same time. He just stopped going, and they brought me into the supervisors office and grilled me for an hour about him not showing up and making it VERY clear how unprofessional it was to not call and not show, and if someone is going to leave they should give at least 2 weeks notice. Later on I knew I was leaving, so I gave them 3 weeks notice and the same supervisor had security show me the door that minute. I needed the money as I was getting married, so that was just icing on the cake.

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Yeah - that sucks. Companies who don't let you work out your two week notice, or at least pay you out the two weeks, are crap companies in my opinion. Had that happen to me once. When I started with said company I even signed paperwork promising I'd give two weeks when resigning. When I put in my notice they walked me out right away. *******s…

The same kind of companies who don't respect or trust their employees, so they micro manage their keystrokes, etc.

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I would have picketed their asses for that with a sign that said "UCS fired me instantly when I put in my 2 weeks notice" and stood on public property leading into their parking lot.

I had two roommates who worked at UCS. I loved hearing the horror stories, especially since I had applied there and didn't get hired. It made me appreciate my menial collegiate jobs more.

The one positive thing they had to say is that the company would throw an epic Christmas party every year.

It is a better solution than taking up farmland, ranch land and forrest land to build them.

BusterAg said:

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YouBet said:

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Their hypothesis is that money is going to be irrelevant anyway because AI and robots will be ubiquitous and producing such an overabundance of stuff and services that money will no longer matter. Thus, UBI and UHC will have no barriers and costs are irrelevant.

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Idiots have been saying this since Malthus.

I am still waiting for my George Jetson 4 hour workweek so I can go to robot football games with Spacely Sprocket. That show was from 1950, and it hasn't happened yet.

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1962. But the point remains.

The Chicken Ranch said:

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BlueSmoke said:

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Where are all the massive data centers going to go? Land isn't the issue.

Where will the water and energy to run them come from? We going to prop up hundreds of micro-reactors all over the country/world to power them?

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Why aren't the data centers going in space? They could be orbiting, with their own nuclear reactor for power, and space is cold. Why build them on land?

No one seems to be able to answer this question, that my little redneck brain has.

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How do you get the data stored in space back own to earth? String a fiber cable 250 miles into low earth orbit?

Our current data transfer capability over RF and laser isn't enough support the low latency needs of an AI data center. I'm sure it's coming, but it's still several years away.

The power issue has been studied

https://fas.org/publication/falling-space-reactors/