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I don't care what side of the isle you're on. Watching video of WHCD tonight is pretty awesome. You see these secret service guys jumping in and willing to take a bullet for the people they're protecting. Obviously POTUS is #1 priority in this situation but watch how agents jumped in to protect their assignment. Thumbs up for those dudes. Badasses.
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Why aren't they trained to shoot the shooter? Second time in a row he's walked away unscathed.
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AGROAg88 said:

Why aren't they trained to shoot the shooter? Second time in a row he's walked away unscathed.

Wasn't he running right down the middle of a crowded hall with people on both sides of him? Seems like taking shots at him would be a bad idea.
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It's wild how he got this close in the first place
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AGROAg88 said:

Why aren't they trained to shoot the shooter? Second time in a row he's walked away unscathed.
Thank God they didn't try to shoot him with people all
around. Unlike in Butler, they did their job last night.

Killing innocent people isn't in the job description. Anthony Fauci isn't in charge.
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CardiffGiant said:

I don't care what side of the isle you're on. Watching video of WHCD tonight is pretty awesome. You see these secret service guys jumping in and willing to take a bullet for the people they're protecting. Obviously POTUS is #1 priority in this situation but watch how agents jumped in to protect their assignment. Thumbs up for those dudes. Badasses.


Which island are we on?
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aggies101 said:

It's wild how he got this close in the first place


Yeah, I give the secret service s thumbs down here. No one should have that gotten than close. They're getting away with some poor prep.
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Cops do this type of thing every day to protect people and get **** on non stop.
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Tramp96 said:

CardiffGiant said:

I don't care what side of the isle you're on. Watching video of WHCD tonight is pretty awesome. You see these secret service guys jumping in and willing to take a bullet for the people they're protecting. Obviously POTUS is #1 priority in this situation but watch how agents jumped in to protect their assignment. Thumbs up for those dudes. Badasses.


Which island are we on?
Gilligan's?
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If the secret service is putting themselves directly between protectees and bullets, most of their process failed.
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AustinAg2K said:

aggies101 said:

It's wild how he got this close in the first place


Yeah, I give the secret service s thumbs down here. No one should have that gotten than close. They're getting away with some poor prep.

POTUS, FLOTUS, VP and wife, entire Cabinet present. That entails many many SS protectees in one place.
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AGROAg88 said:

Why aren't they trained to shoot the shooter? Second time in a row he's walked away unscathed.


Better to capture him alive
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CardiffGiant said:

I don't care what side of the isle you're on. Watching video of WHCD tonight is pretty awesome. You see these secret service guys jumping in and willing to take a bullet for the people they're protecting. Obviously POTUS is #1 priority in this situation but watch how agents jumped in to protect their assignment. Thumbs up for those dudes. Badasses.


I thought that was amazing too.

The dude in the black suit who jumped and stood in front of Trump. Claps to him... fantastic job that very few have the courage to do.

PS: Bro, spelling bro.
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AGROAg88 said:

Why aren't they trained to shoot the shooter? Second time in a row he's walked away unscathed.

They do not want to have a ricochet. So they should always stab the shooter instead of shooting.
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AGROAg88 said:

Why aren't they trained to shoot the shooter? Second time in a row he's walked away unscathed.

They are IF they have a clean shot. That was impossible in that setting. Further, as I said earlier there were a lot of different SS details present. They hear additional shots fired without knowing friend or foe would have just caused more chaos prompting them to fire. That's a known reflex.
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AustinAg2K said:

aggies101 said:

It's wild how he got this close in the first place


Yeah, I give the secret service s thumbs down here. No one should have that gotten than close. They're getting away with some poor prep.

100%. With all the crazies in the world, at a hotel conference center, and no additional layers of security to identify a guy with a shotgun... i love our law enforcement but this should have never made the news... as in the guy should have been stopped before entering the building
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He was a guest at the hotel, and had stashed the guns in a closet. If the fault lies anywhere, it's not properly sweeping the area.
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i love our law enforcement but this should have never made the news... as in the guy should have been stopped before entering the building

I thought he was registered as a guest at the hotel? (Reminds me of the Las Vegas shooter slowly amassing an arsenal in his room over a few hours.)
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Why don't they shoot the shooter?

The protective detail has OnE mission: get the protectee out of harms way ASAP by any means. They don't fight the attacker. They protect their assignment and execute the evacuation plan. They'd only shoot of there was no other way out.

Why? Dan Bongino has explained this. They don't know if there is more than one attacker or other threat. There is always also a second detail of agents that are basically like SWAT whose job is to bust in and engage, in addition to the overwatch and other agents who aren't assigned to a protectee.
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I am not ready to slam individuals at all, and do salute the individual bravery shown, and am not a security expert, nor do I cosplay as one online, but this is the 3rd incident in under 2 years of someone armed with ill intent getting shots off at DJT in public. There are many other world leaders even more hated than Trump by leftists (and others) who go decades without such incidents.

And no, I don't think it's because they have confiscated all guns around them, but rather that they have security details and protocols that prevent this. Who has taken shots at Bibi, Putin, Starmer, various Arab rulers, or a political leader in SE Asia in the past 2 years? Most of those countries are packed with firearms.

This is a screaming example I'd say, though, of why we need the presidential ball room finished. The Hilton hotel just is not designed to be such a secure facility. /rant, thanks for listening.
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Before we start glazing the Secret Service too much.

I can't get over how many Secret Service guys there were standing around, "smoking and joking" (as we used to say in the 90s) and our perpetrator runs right through the gap in their Defense.

Rewatch that video and explain to me how the perp didn't even need a blocking back or an offensive lineman.

He straight up ran right through the Secret Service Defensive Line - and the Secret Service had guns.

Maybe we need to start hiring guys who are more like the Wrecking Crew for these missions.

Or just like every nightclub you've ever been to, block access to the entrance and have a big mountain of a man blocking the entrance until you show ID and go through a metal detector, etc.
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Didn't we just decapitate the entire leadership of Iran a little over a month ago. Last night our entire leadership was in a single room for the opportunity of rubbing shoulders with a bunch of cub reporters. Why is our leadership in a single room at the same time? At the SOTU speech, a more purposeful gathering, at least one cabinet member stays away. We have not learned much.
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Agreed. Heck, even a Democrat realizes this.
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Thought she had been relegated to a desk job after Butler.
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nortex97 said:

Agreed. Heck, even a Democrat realizes this.


Perhaps if some of his colleagues would fully fund DHS instead of being infatuated with doxxing ICE agents and their families this might not have happened. Sure, the field agents are all there but maybe some of their support is not.

I blame Chuck Schumer.
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
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HollywoodBQ said:

Before we start glazing the Secret Service too much.

I can't get over how many Secret Service guys there were standing around, "smoking and joking" (as we used to say in the 90s) and our perpetrator runs right through the gap in their Defense.

Rewatch that video and explain to me how the perp didn't even need a blocking back or an offensive lineman.

He straight up ran right through the Secret Service Defensive Line - and the Secret Service had guns.

Maybe we need to start hiring guys who are more like the Wrecking Crew for these missions.

Or just like every nightclub you've ever been to, block access to the entrance and have a big mountain of a man blocking the entrance until you show ID and go through a metal detector, etc.

A bunch of agents did good. These guys were in condition white, just assuming their job was done and nothing would happen. If they had been doing their job, he would have been immediately tackled, if not shot.

Complacency kills.
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HollywoodBQ said:

Before we start glazing the Secret Service too much.

I can't get over how many Secret Service guys there were standing around, "smoking and joking" (as we used to say in the 90s) and our perpetrator runs right through the gap in their Defense.

Rewatch that video and explain to me how the perp didn't even need a blocking back or an offensive lineman.

He straight up ran right through the Secret Service Defensive Line - and the Secret Service had guns.

Maybe we need to start hiring guys who are more like the Wrecking Crew for these missions.

Or just like every nightclub you've ever been to, block access to the entrance and have a big mountain of a man blocking the entrance until you show ID and go through a metal detector, etc.

Agree 100%. Every body sucking off the incompetent secret service. The shooter was some radicalized loser from California who just waltzed right up and the dumb *******s got off four shots and didn't hit him once. Sorry but I'm not impressed.
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aggiehawg said:



Thought she had been relegated to a desk job after Butler.

Please tell me that is and AI joke and that she is not on Trumps detail. I would hope she is guarding bill/ Hillary/ or Hussein today…
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I personally thought it took them forever to cover the president after watching several videos from different angles and what appears in the audio as shots fired.
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Mas89 said:

aggiehawg said:



Thought she had been relegated to a desk job after Butler.

Please tell me that is and AI joke and that she is not on Trumps detail. I would hope she is guarding bill/ Hillary/ or Hussein today…

Your guess is as good as mine but I was seeing the pic on the left last night. And of course we all remember the pic on the right.
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Aquin said:

Didn't we just decapitate the entire leadership of Iran a little over a month ago. Last night our entire leadership was in a single room for the opportunity of rubbing shoulders with a bunch of cub reporters. Why is our leadership in a single room at the same time? At the SOTU speech, a more purposeful gathering, at least one cabinet member stays away. We have not learned much.

How much of the decapitating was due to Mossad, intelligence and everything involved in the process?
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This topic did not age well!


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CardiffGiant said:

I don't care what side of the isle you're on. Watching video of WHCD tonight is pretty awesome. You see these secret service guys jumping in and willing to take a bullet for the people they're protecting. Obviously POTUS is #1 priority in this situation but watch how agents jumped in to protect their assignment. Thumbs up for those dudes. Badasses.

I'm more on the Laguna Madre side of North Padre...
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MouthBQ98 said:

Why don't they shoot the shooter?

The protective detail has OnE mission: get the protectee out of harms way ASAP by any means. They don't fight the attacker. They protect their assignment and execute the evacuation plan. They'd only shoot of there was no other way out.

Why? Dan Bongino has explained this. They don't know if there is more than one attacker or other threat. There is always also a second detail of agents that are basically like SWAT whose job is to bust in and engage, in addition to the overwatch and other agents who aren't assigned to a protectee.


They really don't have people whose only job is to engage the perp? Zero chance this is correct
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itsyourboypookie said:

MouthBQ98 said:

Why don't they shoot the shooter?

The protective detail has OnE mission: get the protectee out of harms way ASAP by any means. They don't fight the attacker. They protect their assignment and execute the evacuation plan. They'd only shoot of there was no other way out.

Why? Dan Bongino has explained this. They don't know if there is more than one attacker or other threat. There is always also a second detail of agents that are basically like SWAT whose job is to bust in and engage, in addition to the overwatch and other agents who aren't assigned to a protectee.


They really don't have people whose only job is to engage the perp? Zero chance this is correct

Yes they do. Guys in paramilitary gear who ran out and aiming into the audience looking for possible perps are the CAT team. Counter Assault Team.
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