The only problem is these type of people are lefties typically. They bring their lefty agendas because they're unable to face the cognitive dissonance that their political ideas are terrible.

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We've got more nat gas than you can shake a stick at. I know of at least one major LNG pipeline going from Permian area to the coast later this year and probably more are on the books. Stick data centers out there and build power plants for them out there. Power up the whole state.

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which pipeline is that?

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Major natural gas pipelines from the Permian Basin to the Texas coast, designed to meet LNG export demand, include the recently operational 2.5 Bcf/d Matterhorn Express Pipeline (2024) and the Permian Highway Pipeline (42-inch, 2.1 Bcf/d). Upcoming projects to increase capacity by 2026-2028 include the 2.5 Bcf/d Blackcomb Pipeline, Eiger Express (mid-2028), and Targa's 2.0 Bcf/d Apex Pipeline (2030).

Hank the Grifter said:

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People who start sentences with the word "so".

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At least they should use the implied ellipses

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techno-ag said:

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We've got more nat gas than you can shake a stick at. I know of at least one major LNG pipeline going from Permian area to the coast later this year and probably more are on the books. Stick data centers out there and build power plants for them out there. Power up the whole state.

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which pipeline is that?

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What Gang_Ag_06 said.

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We've got more nat gas than you can shake a stick at. I know of at least one major LNG pipeline going from Permian area to the coast later this year and probably more are on the books. Stick data centers out there and build power plants for them out there. Power up the whole state.

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which pipeline is that?

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Major natural gas pipelines from the Permian Basin to the Texas coast, designed to meet LNG export demand, include the recently operational 2.5 Bcf/d Matterhorn Express Pipeline (2024) and the Permian Highway Pipeline (42-inch, 2.1 Bcf/d). Upcoming projects to increase capacity by 2026-2028 include the 2.5 Bcf/d Blackcomb Pipeline, Eiger Express (mid-2028), and Targa's 2.0 Bcf/d Apex Pipeline (2030).

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okay, the previous poster probably misapplied the term. Those pipes are residue - it isn't LNG until dowstream of the LNG facility to the ship terminal.

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I hate what this area is becoming. If it isn't little Honduras with a poco loco every half mile, it is a new housing development . Driving from San Marcos to College Station shows a sharp contrast from the two different sectors.

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Have you driven from New Braunfels to Sequin on 46 lately? Rooftops abound where corn and maize once grew.

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Canyon Lake Agbu94 said:

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I hate what this area is becoming. If it isn't little Honduras with a poco loco every half mile, it is a new housing development . Driving from San Marcos to College Station shows a sharp contrast from the two different sectors.

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Have you driven from New Braunfels to Sequin on 46 lately? Rooftops abound where corn and maize once grew.

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going to be a lot of foundation issues in 20 years.

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Just stopped in to say that I knew John Cyrier during my time in the Aggie Band and he's a good dude.

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They worked at a variety of startups for years, and then met John Cyrier, a longtime Texas politician

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Also, some of y'all really need to spend some time more than 50 miles west of I-35. We got a big state. The carrying capacity for Texas is definitely north of 100M.

Heck, they'll probably cram 10M into Frisco alone. Maybe another 5M in Sugar Land.

For your descendants futures, I'd buy as much land as you can between US183 to the East, I-20 to the North, West to El Paso and US90 to the South.

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Right on, right on. Get the desalination plants going to solve our water shortages, fire up more natural gas and small nuclear reactors for power.

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This is the thing that I could never understand when I was living in California.
Water shortages all the time across the whole state, especially in years with light snowfall.

Yet they're parked right next to the largest body of water in the world and they can't seem to figure out how to convert any of it into potable water.

I grew up in Al Jubail drinking water from our own desal plant. And that was in the early 1980s.

So the Saudis have had it figured out for 45 years but California still can't figure it out.

Lemme guess... California doesn't have any energy resources to convert salt water into drinking water.

Meanwhile, there is a 500 km long water pipeline from Jubail to Riyadh.

Riyadh was less than 1M when I lived there 40+ years ago.
Today it's population 7M thanks to water piped in from the Gulf.

500 km is about 310 miles. So draw your line from the Gulf of America and go 300 miles inland towards West Texas and start buying land. Brownwood, San Angelo, Ozona, Langtry. All of those are easily within water pipeline distance.

In the case of California, I realize they've got some large mountain ranges but 300 miles from San Diego, you're in Phoenix. 300 miles from Santa Monica and you're in Las Vegas.

Texas has the ability to achieve something like this. California never will - by choice.

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But the poor smelts......you have to think of the future of the poor smelts

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Canyon Lake Agbu94 said:

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I hate what this area is becoming. If it isn't little Honduras with a poco loco every half mile, it is a new housing development . Driving from San Marcos to College Station shows a sharp contrast from the two different sectors.

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Have you driven from New Braunfels to Sequin on 46 lately? Rooftops abound where corn and maize once grew.

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Yes. I know that they all have to go somewhere, I just don't want to be in the same place. It was less than 30 years ago that Creekside/306 was a bunch of cornfields. Now it is a place where corn don't grow.

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Canyon Lake Agbu94 said:

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I hate what this area is becoming. If it isn't little Honduras with a poco loco every half mile, it is a new housing development . Driving from San Marcos to College Station shows a sharp contrast from the two different sectors.

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Have you driven from New Braunfels to Sequin on 46 lately? Rooftops abound where corn and maize once grew.

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Yes. I know that they all have to go somewhere, I just don't want to be in the same place. It was less than 30 years ago that Creekside/306 was a bunch of cornfields. Now it is a place where corn don't grow.

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Corn don't grow around here
We ain't seen a drop all year
But there's one place I know
Where the grass grows free and the waters flow
Just knock on the tool shed door
And you fall straight down through the floor
Unseen by the naked eye
And everybody gets a little piece of the pie

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Just stopped in to say that I knew John Cyrier during my time in the Aggie Band and he's a good dude.

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They worked at a variety of startups for years, and then met John Cyrier, a longtime Texas politician

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Also, some of y'all really need to spend some time more than 50 miles west of I-35. We got a big state. The carrying capacity for Texas is definitely north of 100M.

Heck, they'll probably cram 10M into Frisco alone. Maybe another 5M in Sugar Land.

For your descendants futures, I'd buy as much land as you can between US183 to the East, I-20 to the North, West to El Paso and US90 to the South.

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Right on, right on. Get the desalination plants going to solve our water shortages, fire up more natural gas and small nuclear reactors for power.

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This is the thing that I could never understand when I was living in California.
Water shortages all the time across the whole state, especially in years with light snowfall.

Yet they're parked right next to the largest body of water in the world and they can't seem to figure out how to convert any of it into potable water.

I grew up in Al Jubail drinking water from our own desal plant. And that was in the early 1980s.

So the Saudis have had it figured out for 45 years but California still can't figure it out.

Lemme guess... California doesn't have any energy resources to convert salt water into drinking water.

Meanwhile, there is a 500 km long water pipeline from Jubail to Riyadh.

Riyadh was less than 1M when I lived there 40+ years ago.
Today it's population 7M thanks to water piped in from the Gulf.

500 km is about 310 miles. So draw your line from the Gulf of America and go 300 miles inland towards West Texas and start buying land. Brownwood, San Angelo, Ozona, Langtry. All of those are easily within water pipeline distance.

In the case of California, I realize they've got some large mountain ranges but 300 miles from San Diego, you're in Phoenix. 300 miles from Santa Monica and you're in Las Vegas.

Texas has the ability to achieve something like this. California never will - by choice.

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I lived in Austin in the 1990s when the naked blind salamander was all the rage.

And I trained at Fort Hood when the Golden Cheeked Warbler stopped the US Army from training in certain areas. They issued us special "bird maps" of the no go zones.

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And when all of the farms, and all of the ranches, and all of the green spaces are paved over, you can enjoy a cricket paste smoothie while chatting with your ai bot girlfriend.

Enjoy that world. I will do everything humanly possible to prevent it.

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So which human beings don't get to exist anymore so you can have your paradise?

Didn't know how many HOA presidents we had on TexAgs not wanting people to build or change anything

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If they come to Texas, I hope it isn't in my part of the state. I like being able to look outside, in every direction, and not see a soul.

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Too late here already.

The #1 factor when I retire and find somewhere to go will be my ability to get on a road and simply drive to my destination without having to wait in traffic or sit at 37 lights that weren't there 2 years ago.

Probably won't be in Texas either.

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The only problem is these type of people are lefties typically. They bring their lefty agendas because they're unable to face the cognitive dissonance that their political ideas are terrible.

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That's a legitimate concern, however I think Texas has shown a tendency to move people who would have been center left to center right.

I know tons of transplants that have had their eyes opened by good old fashioned freedom.

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Good God look at all the NIMBYs.

Jobs, innovation, Culture, a thriving economy. If you want to go live in Appalachia with the other Neanderthals please do so.

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Yeah, God forbid somebody doesn't want a data center in their back yard.

THE HORROR!!!!

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techno-ag said:

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HollywoodBQ said:

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Just stopped in to say that I knew John Cyrier during my time in the Aggie Band and he's a good dude.

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They worked at a variety of startups for years, and then met John Cyrier, a longtime Texas politician

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Also, some of y'all really need to spend some time more than 50 miles west of I-35. We got a big state. The carrying capacity for Texas is definitely north of 100M.

Heck, they'll probably cram 10M into Frisco alone. Maybe another 5M in Sugar Land.

For your descendants futures, I'd buy as much land as you can between US183 to the East, I-20 to the North, West to El Paso and US90 to the South.

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Right on, right on. Get the desalination plants going to solve our water shortages, fire up more natural gas and small nuclear reactors for power.

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This is the thing that I could never understand when I was living in California.
Water shortages all the time across the whole state, especially in years with light snowfall.

Yet they're parked right next to the largest body of water in the world and they can't seem to figure out how to convert any of it into potable water.

I grew up in Al Jubail drinking water from our own desal plant. And that was in the early 1980s.

So the Saudis have had it figured out for 45 years but California still can't figure it out.

Lemme guess... California doesn't have any energy resources to convert salt water into drinking water.

Meanwhile, there is a 500 km long water pipeline from Jubail to Riyadh.

Riyadh was less than 1M when I lived there 40+ years ago.
Today it's population 7M thanks to water piped in from the Gulf.

500 km is about 310 miles. So draw your line from the Gulf of America and go 300 miles inland towards West Texas and start buying land. Brownwood, San Angelo, Ozona, Langtry. All of those are easily within water pipeline distance.

In the case of California, I realize they've got some large mountain ranges but 300 miles from San Diego, you're in Phoenix. 300 miles from Santa Monica and you're in Las Vegas.

Texas has the ability to achieve something like this. California never will - by choice.

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To be fair, CA has at least 7 operational desal plants that I know of. I think they have more than any other state.

Saudi Arabia also subsidizes the hell out of the cost of producing and pumping water - to the point that end users pay 5%-10% of the actual cost.

And there are plans for desal to be pumped from Rockport up to San Antonio and eventually further in as far as Midland. Only runs several billion in costs, plus the maintenance aspect. I bet it's easier in Saudi to get a permit too - the crown prince probably just says "we are putting the pipeline here" and that covers it versus the mutiple layers of BS and reviewsa nd costs of obtaining ROW's, etc. that we have here.

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I lived in Austin in the 1990s when the naked blind salamander was all the rage.

And I trained at Fort Hood when the Golden Cheeked Warbler stopped the US Army from training in certain areas. They issued us special "bird maps" of the no go zones.

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And I was representing real estate developers during that time. It is wasn't a bird, a lizard, it was Save Our Springs throwing roadblocks at all development. Had to prove undeveloped land was NOT potential habitat.

One of my favorite stories involved some toads out by Bastrop. A new road went through their habitat causing them to be roadkill at a higher rate. A few lawsuits later, there were enormous culverts put under the road for the toads. Snakes quickly figured out the edges of those culverts were a toad smorgasbord.

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I know, old man yelling at clouds....but cant we have some type of statewide zoning? Am I the only one concerned that all productive land is being swallowed by crap housing, datacenters and solar deserts?

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That's a really good idea. Data Centers shouldn't take our best farm land however that can be defined. I woudnt mind data centers in the flat part of the pandhandle but due to watering it is used for crops.

Question......how many data centers to we need and how the hell did civilization, as we know it today, possibly survive before the first one was built? OK, before some replies with a cute retort, that's 2 questions.

The article was paywalled? What was John Cyrier's role?

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The article was paywalled? What was John Cyrier's role?

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Cofounder.

This one is open: https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/the-texas-town-backed-by-ivanka-trump-s-billionaire-brother-in-law-at-the-frontier-of-tech-elite/ar-AA21Haub

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began with two Duke friends who had prior startup experience and a newfound connection to John Cyruer, a longtime Texas politician.

In 2022, the town of Lockhart was a leading contender to host a $100 billion semiconductor facility for Micron, but the chipmaker ultimately chose to build in New York.

Farahzad recalled his vision at the time: 'We're going to build a city.'

They saw their opportunity and launched Proto-Town with Cyruer in 2024, starting with just under six figures in funding.

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Rattler12 said:

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Question......how many data centers to we need and how the hell did civilization, as we know it today, possibly survive before the first one was built? OK, before some replies with a cute retort, that's 2 questions.

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This highlights a problem I have maintained throughout the AI hype. It's not scalable and it's cost prohibitive. I seriously doubt there is a market for AI services at a profitable price.

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Silent For Too Long said:

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Good God look at all the NIMBYs.

Jobs, innovation, Culture, a thriving economy. If you want to go live in Appalachia with the other Neanderthals please do so.

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Yeah, God forbid somebody doesn't want a data center in their back yard.

THE HORROR!!!!

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My data center neighbors are WAY better than my apartment complex neighbors.

I will happily trade my Texas property tax rates for California property tax rates.

ETA: And if you want to talk about California's income taxes, I would pay less in California income taxes than I am paying in Texas property taxes.

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one safe place said:

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If they come to Texas, I hope it isn't in my part of the state. I like being able to look outside, in every direction, and not see a soul.

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Too late here already.

The #1 factor when I retire and find somewhere to go will be my ability to get on a road and simply drive to my destination without having to wait in traffic or sit at 37 lights that weren't there 2 years ago.

Probably won't be in Texas either.

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For 35 years or so, my commute was just over 2 miles, couple of traffic lights or a couple of stop signs, depending on the route I chose. I do not see how people commute for 30 or 40 miles (or more) and spend over two hours (or more) per day driving back and forth to work and fighting traffic as they do.

Sounds like your plan is a good one!

I have twice had a property that had a private cemetery adjacent. They make for very quiet neighbors.

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I will happily trade my Texas property tax rates for California property tax rates.

ETA: And if you want to talk about California's income taxes, I would pay less in California income taxes than I am paying in Texas property taxes.

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The R's have a plan that will be a solution for property taxes. It's called magic math. I've been observing the Rs use magic math since 1981. It was so successful at fooling Americans, the Dems began using it too.

There are hundreds of desalination plants in the USA. Florida has the most. California has the 2nd most. Texas is third, iirc.

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I have twice had a property that had a private cemetery adjacent. They make for very quiet neighbors.

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Cemetries gotta be nice places. Seems like people are just dying to get in.....

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The article was paywalled? What was John Cyrier's role?

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Cofounder.

This one is open: https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/the-texas-town-backed-by-ivanka-trump-s-billionaire-brother-in-law-at-the-frontier-of-tech-elite/ar-AA21Haub

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began with two Duke friends who had prior startup experience and a newfound connection to John Cyruer, a longtime Texas politician.

In 2022, the town of Lockhart was a leading contender to host a $100 billion semiconductor facility for Micron, but the chipmaker ultimately chose to build in New York.

Farahzad recalled his vision at the time: 'We're going to build a city.'

They saw their opportunity and launched Proto-Town with Cyruer in 2024, starting with just under six figures in funding.

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Cool. It's fun reading about BQs doing cool things.

ETA: That article used Cyruer, not Cyrier, so maybe not the same person.

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Good God look at all the NIMBYs.

Jobs, innovation, Culture, a thriving economy. If you want to go live in Appalachia with the other Neanderthals please do so.

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cringe

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To be fair, CA has at least 7 operational desal plants that I know of. I think they have more than any other state.

Saudi Arabia also subsidizes the hell out of the cost of producing and pumping water - to the point that end users pay 5%-10% of the actual cost.

And there are plans for desal to be pumped from Rockport up to San Antonio and eventually further in as far as Midland. Only runs several billion in costs, plus the maintenance aspect. I bet it's easier in Saudi to get a permit too - the crown prince probably just says "we are putting the pipeline here" and that covers it versus the mutiple layers of BS and reviewsa nd costs of obtaining ROW's, etc. that we have here.

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Looks like California has 12 desalination plants. Two are in the Channel Islands at San Nicolas and Pebbly Beach.
https://www.waterboards.ca.gov/water_issues/programs/ocean/desalination/docs/170105_desal_map_existing.pdf

Carlsbad is the largest in the USA @ Capacity: 204,412 m/day (54MGD)
https://ide-tech.com/en/project/carlsbad-desalination-plant/

For comparison, Al Jubail has:

• Jubail Water and Power Company (JWAP), Saudi Arabia - 800,000 m3 /day
• Jubail 3A IWP, Saudi Arabia - 600,000 m3/day
• Future - Jubail 3B capacity of 570,000 m3/day

And that's just one city. There are other desal plants in The Kingdom. The thing I wanted to highlight is that the biggest desal plant in the USA produces only 1/10th what they will be producing in my hometown.

There's no reason California couldn't do the same other than Leadership.

To your point about subsidies, does the Saudi Government subsidize the cost of drinking water? Of course. That's their job. it's not like the people are paying taxes.

And as far as permits and right of way, etc. Sure. Of course that's going to be easier in The Kingdom where the leadership has decided that providing people with water is important and they actually do some planning for the future.

But let's be real about someplace like California. Probably 75% of the State's population lives within 20 miles of the Pacific Ocean, or the San Francisco Bay. So even if you had to get ROW there, we're not talking about hundreds of miles. Again - Leadership.

For Texas, more desalinated water and water pipelines could definitely help support a much greater population than we have in the state today.

Hank the Grifter said:

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People who start sentences with the word "so".

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Written sentences, or spoken ones also?

SunrayAg said:

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And when all of the farms, and all of the ranches, and all of the green spaces are paved over, you can enjoy a cricket paste smoothie while chatting with your ai bot girlfriend.

Enjoy that world. I will do everything humanly possible to prevent it.

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Paul Erhlich lives!

schmellba99 said:

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Silent For Too Long said:

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Good God look at all the NIMBYs.

Jobs, innovation, Culture, a thriving economy. If you want to go live in Appalachia with the other Neanderthals please do so.

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Yeah, God forbid somebody doesn't want a data center in their back yard.

THE HORROR!!!!

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If you have a problem with it, buy the property yourself.

If you don't own the property, tough *****