If you don't want any neighbors and are tired of seeing subdivisions, go buy as much land as you can afford in the middle of nowhere. You have no right to an opinion of what someone else does with their property you communists.

Saw a YouTube video about this yesterday, looks really cool. Good for these guys.

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I will happily trade my Texas property tax rates for California property tax rates.

ETA: And if you want to talk about California's income taxes, I would pay less in California income taxes than I am paying in Texas property taxes.

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Don't self-own for not being a baller. It's not a good look.

My California property taxes were higher than my Texas property taxes and my Texas house is 3x the size of my 1250 sq. ft. mansion in Los Angeles County. Rate is one thing. Valuation is something entirely different.

I regret every dollar I gave to The Governator and Gavin Newsom. Very happy I'm no longer doing that.

I also laugh my ass off every time I pump sub-$4, 93 octane go-go juice into my big fat BMW. I don't miss $6/gallon gas at all. $100 to fill up my Jeep Wrangler - nah, pass.

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I have twice had a property that had a private cemetery adjacent. They make for very quiet neighbors.

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Conversely, I've twice had Filipinos as neighbors.
They're not so quiet.
Good for about 3 raging parties a year.

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Question......how many data centers to we need and how the hell did civilization, as we know it today, possibly survive before the first one was built? OK, before some replies with a cute retort, that's 2 questions.

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Also, how did we have Data Centers for the past 25+ years before AI and nobody cared?

It's almost as if the MSM news cycle decided this would get clicks and cause faux outrage by NPCs. I hope South Park does an episode about a new Data Center being built in a sleepy little mountain town in Colorado.

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The article was paywalled? What was John Cyrier's role?

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Cofounder.

This one is open: https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/the-texas-town-backed-by-ivanka-trump-s-billionaire-brother-in-law-at-the-frontier-of-tech-elite/ar-AA21Haub

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began with two Duke friends who had prior startup experience and a newfound connection to John Cyruer, a longtime Texas politician.

In 2022, the town of Lockhart was a leading contender to host a $100 billion semiconductor facility for Micron, but the chipmaker ultimately chose to build in New York.

Farahzad recalled his vision at the time: 'We're going to build a city.'

They saw their opportunity and launched Proto-Town with Cyruer in 2024, starting with just under six figures in funding.

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Cool. It's fun reading about BQs doing cool things.

ETA: That article used Cyruer, not Cyrier, so maybe not the same person.

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Yeah, I thought that was weird. I assume it's a typo.

Looks like he's no longer a State Rep.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cyrier

Yeah I'm also not aware of any massive wastes of tax payer money going on in Texas that remotely compared to the high speed rail, homelessness debacle, or bridge for the squirrels grift.

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Rattler12 said:

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Question......how many data centers to we need and how the hell did civilization, as we know it today, possibly survive before the first one was built? OK, before some replies with a cute retort, that's 2 questions.

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Also, how did we have Data Centers for the past 25+ years before AI and nobody cared?

It's almost as if the MSM news cycle decided this would get clicks and cause faux outrage by NPCs. I hope South Park does an episode about a new Data Center being built in a sleepy little mountain town in Colorado.

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If I had to guess, the primary driver is the tech bros breaking away from the Climate Doomers because of the data center's power needs. This has put them in the cross hairs for the propaganda machine.

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Good God look at all the NIMBYs.

Jobs, innovation, Culture, a thriving economy. If you want to go live in Appalachia with the other Neanderthals please do so.

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I want Texas to have a thriving economy. I want my fellow Texan's to have good jobs, even the dirty tsips.

I guess that makes me a fart sniffing progressive.

A rural county where I do business has a Facebook personality who is lamenting data centers moving in. The words they used something along the lines of "all our farms and ranch land is now for sale to the highest bidder."


I am not sure which part of that statement is more clueless

The "our land' part as if he owns it.

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Or the "now for sale to the highest bidder'. I know plenty of farmers and rancher who are always willing to sell. They just never got the price they wanted until now.

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SunrayAg said:

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And when all of the farms, and all of the ranches, and all of the green spaces are paved over, you can enjoy a cricket paste smoothie while chatting with your ai bot girlfriend.

Enjoy that world. I will do everything humanly possible to prevent it.

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So which human beings don't get to exist anymore so you can have your paradise?

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Democrats and illegal alien criminals?

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The article was paywalled? What was John Cyrier's role?

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Cofounder.

This one is open: https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/the-texas-town-backed-by-ivanka-trump-s-billionaire-brother-in-law-at-the-frontier-of-tech-elite/ar-AA21Haub

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began with two Duke friends who had prior startup experience and a newfound connection to John Cyruer, a longtime Texas politician.

In 2022, the town of Lockhart was a leading contender to host a $100 billion semiconductor facility for Micron, but the chipmaker ultimately chose to build in New York.

Farahzad recalled his vision at the time: 'We're going to build a city.'

They saw their opportunity and launched Proto-Town with Cyruer in 2024, starting with just under six figures in funding.

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Cool. It's fun reading about BQs doing cool things.

ETA: That article used Cyruer, not Cyrier, so maybe not the same person.

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Well you know how the Brits spell things funny.

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Yeah I'm also not aware of any massive wastes of tax payer money going on in Texas that remotely compared to the high speed rail, homelessness debacle, or bridge for the squirrels grift.

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And the worst part of that is that people continue to re-elect these morons.

My neighborhood was 71% for Biden, Harris, Schiff.
And they thought I wasn't paying enough in taxes.

High Speed Fail doesn't even pass the sniff test to anybody who understands that California is very earthquake prone and what was Phase 1 anyway? Bakersfield to Modesto or something? Nowhere to Nowhere - for Billions.

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Mini nuclear reactor may be in the works too.

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Get with the times, that has already been done by an Eagle Scout. I found this fascinating and terrifying!!

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And when all of the farms, and all of the ranches, and all of the green spaces are paved over, you can enjoy a cricket paste smoothie while chatting with your ai bot girlfriend.

Enjoy that world. I will do everything humanly possible to prevent it.

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So which human beings don't get to exist anymore so you can have your paradise?

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So which human beings get to starve to death so you can pave over all of the productive land that feeds the world?

But you seem like the type who thinks your food comes from the grocery store, so I'm sure you are incapable of an honest answer.

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SunrayAg said:

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And when all of the farms, and all of the ranches, and all of the green spaces are paved over, you can enjoy a cricket paste smoothie while chatting with your ai bot girlfriend.

Enjoy that world. I will do everything humanly possible to prevent it.

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So which human beings don't get to exist anymore so you can have your paradise?

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So which human beings get to starve to death so you can pave over all of the productive land that feeds the world?

But you seem like the type who thinks your food comes from the grocery store, so I'm sure you are incapable of an honest answer.

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It's going to be OK.

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I will happily trade my Texas property tax rates for California property tax rates.

ETA: And if you want to talk about California's income taxes, I would pay less in California income taxes than I am paying in Texas property taxes.

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Don't self-own for not being a baller. It's not a good look.

My California property taxes were higher than my Texas property taxes and my Texas house is 3x the size of my 1250 sq. ft. mansion in Los Angeles County. Rate is one thing. Valuation is something entirely different.

I regret every dollar I gave to The Governator and Gavin Newsom. Very happy I'm no longer doing that.

I also laugh my ass off every time I pump sub-$4, 93 octane go-go juice into my big fat BMW. I don't miss $6/gallon gas at all. $100 to fill up my Jeep Wrangler - nah, pass.

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Oh, I'd never want to live in CA again. Not a chance. I spent about $16,000 in property taxes last year. For the same valuation in CA I would pay about $7,000.

Quit turning cow pastures into living developments.

I am from Fremont, California, but I moved to Texas in August 2013. After graduating from Texas A&M in May 2017, I have continued to stay in Texas. My parents still live in Fremont, and I visit them twice a year. I have not looked back, and my parents actually encouraged me to move to Texas because of the high cost of living for a decreasing quality of life in California. I have lived in Austin since January 2019.

Building ProtoTown reflects real American ingenuity and entrepreneurial energy. At the same time, when residential areas, mobile homes, and advanced industrial facilities are mixed with little apparent coordination, it creates friction for residents. The tension isn't innovation versus tradition. It's rapid experimentation versus long-term livability.

Every state eventually hits physical and ecological limits. In Texas, water shortages are already constraining development particularly in Central Texas. Power delivery limits are delaying large projects, infrastructure costs are rising faster than population growth, and geography limits where dense growth actually makes sense. Texas's growth isn't friction free anymore. In Central Texas especially, population growth has to be managed more deliberately so it matches physical realities instead of outpacing them.

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Quit turning cow pastures into living developments.

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Why did those ranchers sell their property?

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I have twice had a property that had a private cemetery adjacent. They make for very quiet neighbors.

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I like cemeteries. They're very interesting to walk around in and just see the people and their history. I'm not in any hurry to die though.

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Quit turning cow pastures into living developments.

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Why did those ranchers sell their property?

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Stupid I guess. Or out of money. Or maybe people died out and the younger people didn't want the property anymore. Was it any kind of eminent domain thing? Before we got the proposed East Loop shut down here in Bryan last year. A lot of people were facing being screwed over their property. Even those that have been here for over 100 years. Thank God we stopped it at, least for now. It would've gone right behind my property and right now I like seeing the cows and the trees.

They were lying about the need for it when all they wanted to do is develop a little dinky properties like this. It was absolute bull**** and we got it stopped.

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Every state eventually hits physical and ecological limits. In Texas, water shortages are already constraining development particularly in Central Texas. Power delivery limits are delaying large projects, infrastructure costs are rising faster than population growth, and geography limits where dense growth actually makes sense. Texas's growth isn't friction free anymore. In Central Texas especially, population growth has to be managed more deliberately so it matches physical realities instead of outpacing them.

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Well stated.

Anyplace that gets overcrowded, the quality of life and liveability declines. Infrastructure and natural resources have limits.

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SunrayAg said:

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And when all of the farms, and all of the ranches, and all of the green spaces are paved over, you can enjoy a cricket paste smoothie while chatting with your ai bot girlfriend.

Enjoy that world. I will do everything humanly possible to prevent it.

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So which human beings don't get to exist anymore so you can have your paradise?

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So which human beings get to starve to death so you can pave over all of the productive land that feeds the world?

But you seem like the type who thinks your food comes from the grocery store, so I'm sure you are incapable of an honest answer.

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Our aggricultultural yields far out pace our domestic population. So much so we pay farmers NOT to use their land.

Incredibly arrogant response filled with vapid nonsense.

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Every state eventually hits physical and ecological limits. In Texas, water shortages are already constraining development particularly in Central Texas. Power delivery limits are delaying large projects, infrastructure costs are rising faster than population growth, and geography limits where dense growth actually makes sense. Texas's growth isn't friction free anymore. In Central Texas especially, population growth has to be managed more deliberately so it matches physical realities instead of outpacing them.

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Well stated.

Anyplace that gets overcrowded, the quality of life and liveability declines. Infrastructure and natural resources have limits.

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Sure, theoretically.

Texas currently ranks 23rd in population density at 111 per square mile.

New jersey had 1,200 people per square mile.

Jiangsu province in China, for comparison, has a population density of around 850 per square mile. Almost 8x of Texas.

This is NIMBY fear mongering. It is also incredibly short sighted and selfish.

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Quit turning cow pastures into living developments.

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Why did those ranchers sell their property?

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Stupid I guess. Or out of money. Or maybe people died out and the younger people didn't want the property anymore. Was it any kind of eminent domain thing? Before we got the proposed East Loop shut down here in Bryan last year. A lot of people were facing being screwed over their property. Even those that have been here for over 100 years. Thank God we stopped it at, least for now. It would've gone right behind my property and right now I like seeing the cows and the trees.

They were lying about the need for it when all they wanted to do is develop a little dinky properties like this. It was absolute bull**** and we got it stopped.

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Is it your neighbor's job to provide you with a view you like?

Private property rights are a sure fire litmus test to show you who is actually a small government conservative and who is just a religious liberal.

People who grew up in a Houston suburb saying "we're going to run out of food" and stuff like that need to get out more it's asinine and fear mongering BS used like all other politics. Those farmers or their ancestors purchased their properties for economic reasons, not to produce yours or anyone else's food. If Google wants to buy their land for $50,000/acre rather than the going rate of $10,000/acre you have 0 right to prohibit that transaction.

NIMBYism is a cancer to our Country and will destroy the concept of America long before transgender bathrooms, taxes, and immigration ever will.

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Private property rights are a sure fire litmus test to show you who is actually a small government conservative and who is just a religious liberal.

People who grew up in a Houston suburb saying "we're going to run out of food" and stuff like that need to get out more it's asinine and fear mongering BS used like all other politics. Those farmers or their ancestors purchased their properties for economic reasons, not to produce yours or anyone else's food. If Google wants to buy their land for $50,000/acre rather than the going rate of $10,000/acre you have 0 right to prohibit that transaction.

NIMBYism is a cancer to our Country and will destroy the concept of America long before transgender bathrooms, taxes, and immigration ever will.

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Interesting take. Would you feel the same if it directly affected you and yours? How would you feel about a section 8 housing development right behind your back fence? Or a power substation? Or sewage treatment plant?

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Private property rights are a sure fire litmus test to show you who is actually a small government conservative and who is just a religious liberal.

People who grew up in a Houston suburb saying "we're going to run out of food" and stuff like that need to get out more it's asinine and fear mongering BS used like all other politics. Those farmers or their ancestors purchased their properties for economic reasons, not to produce yours or anyone else's food. If Google wants to buy their land for $50,000/acre rather than the going rate of $10,000/acre you have 0 right to prohibit that transaction.

NIMBYism is a cancer to our Country and will destroy the concept of America long before transgender bathrooms, taxes, and immigration ever will.

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Interesting take. Would you feel the same if it directly affected you and yours? How would you feel about a section 8 housing development right behind your back fence? Or a power substation? Or sewage treatment plant?

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It does affect me and mine. I and my family own lots of real estate that we bought and took a chance on and paid for with our labor. The day you or anyone else can tell us what we can do with it will officially be the day America is dead.

If you don't want a sewage plant behind you, sacrifice and do whatever you have to to make sure you have the money to buy the land behind you.

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Private property rights are a sure fire litmus test to show you who is actually a small government conservative and who is just a religious liberal.

People who grew up in a Houston suburb saying "we're going to run out of food" and stuff like that need to get out more it's asinine and fear mongering BS used like all other politics. Those farmers or their ancestors purchased their properties for economic reasons, not to produce yours or anyone else's food. If Google wants to buy their land for $50,000/acre rather than the going rate of $10,000/acre you have 0 right to prohibit that transaction.

NIMBYism is a cancer to our Country and will destroy the concept of America long before transgender bathrooms, taxes, and immigration ever will.

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Interesting take. Would you feel the same if it directly affected you and yours? How would you feel about a section 8 housing development right behind your back fence? Or a power substation? Or sewage treatment plant?

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I am seeing it happen on my own family property. Three sides around us have sold out to developers, and the county bought frontage from us for a realignment of a nearby FM road. Fighting it is a lost cause, but what you do is hold out long enough to drive your own value up. If there was money in farming, people wouldn't be getting out. People keep running small farms and ranches to keep the taxes low until it is time to sell.

I hate to be such a cynic about all this, but after watching this for 50 years the story is always the same.

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SunrayAg said:

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And when all of the farms, and all of the ranches, and all of the green spaces are paved over, you can enjoy a cricket paste smoothie while chatting with your ai bot girlfriend.

Enjoy that world. I will do everything humanly possible to prevent it.

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So which human beings don't get to exist anymore so you can have your paradise?

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So which human beings get to starve to death so you can pave over all of the productive land that feeds the world?

But you seem like the type who thinks your food comes from the grocery store, so I'm sure you are incapable of an honest answer.

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Our aggricultultural yields far out pace our domestic population. So much so we pay farmers NOT to use their land.

Incredibly arrogant response filled with vapid nonsense.

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So I was correct, and you are incapable of an honest answer.

FWTXAg said:

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Private property rights are a sure fire litmus test to show you who is actually a small government conservative and who is just a religious liberal.

People who grew up in a Houston suburb saying "we're going to run out of food" and stuff like that need to get out more it's asinine and fear mongering BS used like all other politics. Those farmers or their ancestors purchased their properties for economic reasons, not to produce yours or anyone else's food. If Google wants to buy their land for $50,000/acre rather than the going rate of $10,000/acre you have 0 right to prohibit that transaction.

NIMBYism is a cancer to our Country and will destroy the concept of America long before transgender bathrooms, taxes, and immigration ever will.

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That's right champ! You don't need no stinkin farms and ranches! HEB has all the food you need!

SunrayAg said:

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Private property rights are a sure fire litmus test to show you who is actually a small government conservative and who is just a religious liberal.

People who grew up in a Houston suburb saying "we're going to run out of food" and stuff like that need to get out more it's asinine and fear mongering BS used like all other politics. Those farmers or their ancestors purchased their properties for economic reasons, not to produce yours or anyone else's food. If Google wants to buy their land for $50,000/acre rather than the going rate of $10,000/acre you have 0 right to prohibit that transaction.

NIMBYism is a cancer to our Country and will destroy the concept of America long before transgender bathrooms, taxes, and immigration ever will.

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That's right champ! You don't need no stinkin farms and ranches! HEB has all the food you need!

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No one is saying that.

No one.

What people are saying is that if this land was economically viable for producing food someone would still be farming it instead of using it for something else. Do you have a problem with people using their land to make money? If there was money to be made farming it, someone would still be farming it.

SunrayAg said:

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Private property rights are a sure fire litmus test to show you who is actually a small government conservative and who is just a religious liberal.

People who grew up in a Houston suburb saying "we're going to run out of food" and stuff like that need to get out more it's asinine and fear mongering BS used like all other politics. Those farmers or their ancestors purchased their properties for economic reasons, not to produce yours or anyone else's food. If Google wants to buy their land for $50,000/acre rather than the going rate of $10,000/acre you have 0 right to prohibit that transaction.

NIMBYism is a cancer to our Country and will destroy the concept of America long before transgender bathrooms, taxes, and immigration ever will.

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That's right champ! You don't need no stinkin farms and ranches! HEB has all the food you need!

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Hahaha

I grew up on a 500 acre dairy farm. Both sides of my family were in the dairy business, and now we run beef cattle.
But that's because that is what we choose to do. The day we decide to stop and want to sell it all to Google, Amazon, etc. becuase that is the highest and best use of the property that we OWN, that is our God given right. At least for now...... it appears.

Try again from the suburbs.

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Silent For Too Long said:

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SunrayAg said:

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And when all of the farms, and all of the ranches, and all of the green spaces are paved over, you can enjoy a cricket paste smoothie while chatting with your ai bot girlfriend.

Enjoy that world. I will do everything humanly possible to prevent it.

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So which human beings don't get to exist anymore so you can have your paradise?

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So which human beings get to starve to death so you can pave over all of the productive land that feeds the world?

But you seem like the type who thinks your food comes from the grocery store, so I'm sure you are incapable of an honest answer.

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Our aggricultultural yields far out pace our domestic population. So much so we pay farmers NOT to use their land.

Incredibly arrogant response filled with vapid nonsense.

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So I was correct, and you are incapable of an honest answer.

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What did I say that wasn't honest?

I provided factual data that showed your response had nothing to do with reality.