cant find a list anywhere online of what programs, but did find an article that said several currently have 0 enrollment

I doubt any of its science programs, so axe away

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cant find a list anywhere online of what programs, but did find an article that said several currently have 0 enrollment

I doubt any of its science programs, so axe away

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I remember back in the mid 80's a Baylor geology grad told me that there were like 5 whole students majoring in geology at the time.

good start, but of course they won't reduce the cost of tuition along with it

Squadron7: Howdy, and Wow! I did know a Baylor Geology grad in Midland in the 70's to 90's. One of only two or three BU Grads I ever met, had NO idea Baylor even taught Geology, and judging by his success or lack there of, I guess they really did not!

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cant find a list anywhere online of what programs, but did find an article that said several currently have 0 enrollment

I doubt any of its science programs, so axe away

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You would be wrong. The article will take you to this page, and it's about halfway down. If you click the "review preliminary recommendations" button, it will download a spreadsheet that lists every major being considered for closure. Some are in sciences. Most are being axed because of low enrollment or degrees that are duplicates and/or are a better suited degree plan.

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Programs that could be cut include education, liberal arts, science and technology, and earth and mineral sciences majors, according to the report.

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Curious as to what in these groups would be cut.

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List of undergrad degrees:

https://www.psu.edu/academics/undergraduate/majors

Many of the majors are included in multiple Academic Pathways.

Recommended to "Close" by the Department --

Science:

Planetary Science and Astronomy (BS)

Information Sciences and Technology:

Information Sciences and Technology (BS)
Security and Risk Analysis (BS)

University College (I believe this is the PSU main campus?):

Communication Arts and Science (BA)
Integrative Science (BS)
Mining Technology (AS)
Engineering (BS) --> (SHIFT the Engineering and Mechanical Engineering (bachelor's) programs into a single, flexible Mechanical Engineering program; this is what students, parents and industry ask for.)
Surveying Engineering (BS)
Electrical Engineering Technology (AENGT --> Associates in Engineering Tech)

The list is available here: https://provost.psu.edu/appr/

The science and technology programs closing are mostly realignment to industry demand under other existing programs. Most of the other closures appear to be a BA or associate degree in various "Studies". Even a lot of those are noted as having overlap with existing or in-development programs.

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Long overdue...but can you imagine the bloodbath if these schools were required to be co-signers on any student loan? They would actually have to place a value on all of the majors that they offer.

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Penn State University may slash 49 of its undergraduate majors this fall, a recommendation announced this week as part of on-going cost cutting assessments at the public institution.
The proposed cuts would phase out low enrollment majors, affecting about 900 students, WJAC reports.
"Higher education is changing, and we must rise to the occasion," Provost Fotis Sotiropoulos told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in a statement.

"A full accounting of our academic offerings, and a commitment to an ongoing cycle of program reviews moving forward, are critical parts of the work we all must do to position our students, and Penn State, for long-term success," Sotiropoulos said.

Programs that could be cut include education, liberal arts, science and technology, and earth and mineral sciences majors, according to the report.

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They'll most likely be things we would not consider part of those classifications.

I'm a Texas RPLS. That Surveying Engineering program is one of only 35 ABET accredited surveying degrees. Most states have a path to licensure that is easiest with an ABET degree but none that I'm aware of require it. Most surveyors get licensed with a related science degree and some surveying course work. Pennsylvania is actually one of the easier states as far as what they require and I doubt that delivered a lot of value. The shift to a certificate makes a lot more sense.

Make the loans, like every other business loan, dischargeable in bankruptcy.... you wouldnt need to pass a single other piece of legislation or reform, it would all self right itself in about 3 yrs

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but can you imagine the bloodbath if these schools were required to be co-signers on any student loan

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I've been saying this for years: if you want to forgive student loans, go ahead. BUT, you have to put the colleges on the hook for much of that money. Some of it didn't go to them, but the costs increase over the last few decades drove up the loan amounts substantially.

They cut 49 majors but only 900 students were affected?

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Make the loans, like every other business loan, dischargeable in bankruptcy.... you wouldnt need to pass a single other piece of legislation or reform, it would all self right itself in about 3 yrs

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Would this not push the price of higher ed up at an even faster rate?

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They cut 49 majors but only 900 students were affected?

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Yes. That's why the programs/majors were cut.

My daughter got an admit from Penn State for this upcoming Fall but rejected it to go elsewhere.

Makes you think....

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Long overdue...but can you imagine the bloodbath if these schools were required to be co-signers on any student loan? They would actually have to place a value on all of the majors that they offer.

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Penn State University may slash 49 of its undergraduate majors this fall, a recommendation announced this week as part of on-going cost cutting assessments at the public institution.
The proposed cuts would phase out low enrollment majors, affecting about 900 students, WJAC reports.
"Higher education is changing, and we must rise to the occasion," Provost Fotis Sotiropoulos told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in a statement.

"A full accounting of our academic offerings, and a commitment to an ongoing cycle of program reviews moving forward, are critical parts of the work we all must do to position our students, and Penn State, for long-term success," Sotiropoulos said.

Programs that could be cut include education, liberal arts, science and technology, and earth and mineral sciences majors, according to the report.

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Lesbians & Geodes: A study into the only things they like rock hard.

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They cut 49 majors but only 900 students were affected?

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You can say that again!

Cutting outliers. Penn St has 72k undergrads. So 1% of students are impacted.

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You can say that again!

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I swear I posted it once, then went back and the post was gone. So I reposted my comment. It's weird.

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You can say that again!

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I swear I posted it once, then went back and the post was gone. So I reposted my comment. It's weird.

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LOL just messing with you. The 12-minute delta between the exact same posts was unique, so I felt the need to comment. I was picturing you worried about your memory, so you google Alzheimer's in your browser, and most of the hyperlinks were purple.

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Headline will read that Republicans Slash Education

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You can say that again!

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I swear I posted it once, then went back and the post was gone. So I reposted my comment. It's weird.

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LOL just messing with you. The 12-minute delta between the exact same posts was unique, so I felt the need to comment. I was picturing you worried about your memory, so you google Alzheimer's in your browser, and most of the hyperlinks were purple.

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I still only see one? Now I'm intrigued.

...and somehow this will be an attack on our democracy!!!

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You can say that again!

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I swear I posted it once, then went back and the post was gone. So I reposted my comment. It's weird.

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LOL just messing with you. The 12-minute delta between the exact same posts was unique, so I felt the need to comment. I was picturing you worried about your memory, so you google Alzheimer's in your browser, and most of the hyperlinks were purple.

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I still only see one? Now I'm intrigued.

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Your posts are at 11:12 and 11:24

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...and somehow this will be an attack on our democracy!!!

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I laughed way too hard at this….

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cant find a list anywhere online of what programs, but did find an article that said several currently have 0 enrollment

I doubt any of its science programs, so axe away

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I remember back in the mid 80's a Baylor geology grad told me that there were like 5 whole students majoring in geology at the time.

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I think by the time I graduated in the early 90s, I was one of about 9 geology department grads in my class level. My wife was the only geophysics undergrad at her class level. She had a bunch of 1 on 1 classes with geophysics profs and several more that were just her and 2-3 grad students. The geosciences had a resurgence after that with the rebirth of the domestic O&G industry (led by innovations like 3d seismic, horizontal drilling, and fracking), but it was a very nearly dead department for a few years.

PSU has to cut some faculty too

in order to reap the benefits of the cuts

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You can say that again!

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I swear I posted it once, then went back and the post was gone. So I reposted my comment. It's weird.

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LOL just messing with you. The 12-minute delta between the exact same posts was unique, so I felt the need to comment. I was picturing you worried about your memory, so you google Alzheimer's in your browser, and most of the hyperlinks were purple.

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I still only see one? Now I'm intrigued.

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Your posts are at 11:12 and 11:24

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I promise I'm not trolling here.

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You can say that again!

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I swear I posted it once, then went back and the post was gone. So I reposted my comment. It's weird.

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LOL just messing with you. The 12-minute delta between the exact same posts was unique, so I felt the need to comment. I was picturing you worried about your memory, so you google Alzheimer's in your browser, and most of the hyperlinks were purple.

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I still only see one? Now I'm intrigued.

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Your posts are at 11:12 and 11:24

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I promise I'm not trolling here.

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That's wild. Log out of your account and reopen this thread.

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You can say that again!

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I swear I posted it once, then went back and the post was gone. So I reposted my comment. It's weird.

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LOL just messing with you. The 12-minute delta between the exact same posts was unique, so I felt the need to comment. I was picturing you worried about your memory, so you google Alzheimer's in your browser, and most of the hyperlinks were purple.

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I still only see one? Now I'm intrigued.

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Your posts are at 11:12 and 11:24

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I promise I'm not trolling here.

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That's wild. Log out of your account and reopen this thread.

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I went over to chrome and it was there when I logged in. But I logged out and back in on firefox and it's still gone. So I guess it's my browser, but I don't know how.

Thanks for humoring me.

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Make the loans, like every other business loan, dischargeable in bankruptcy.... you wouldnt need to pass a single other piece of legislation or reform, it would all self right itself in about 3 yrs

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Won't happen because if you let the market decide, you would never get a student loan for most liberal arts. Gender studies majors would disappear. And the college professors would be unemployed.
If the majors disappear from college, why teach them in schools?
if you don't teach them in schools, where are you going to indoctrinate kids to vote for the Democrat party?