I'm in northern Wisconsin. It's basically all rural Texans with funny accents

Oklahoma is the only state where every county voted red in the 2024 election. Arkansas definitely has a lot of deeply conservative counties, but there is a strip of blue along the Mississippi River and in Little Rock.

I'd also consider New Hampshire. They are becoming a very staunchly libertarian state, so you may not find a better place to live if you want to see the Bill of Rights upheld.

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Oklahoma is the next one that's going to blow up.

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The rulings on Indian tribal ownership of a lot of land is a big no for me. Lots of people don't know if they even own their own land.

And the tornados

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The rulings on Indian tribal ownership of a lot of land is a big no for me. Lots of people don't know if they even own their own land.

And the tornados

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No title insurance in Oklahoma?

Not in the US.

It's just fake conservatives here.

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Indiana is a pretty conservative state with low taxes and cost of living. It's cold a lot of the year, but I also hate the heat. The downside is the "Mexican" food here sucks.

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I honestly can't even imagine the horror that is Indiana mexican food

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McGwirt v Oklahoma 2020 Supreme Court case really muddled the waters.

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We paid over $5000 in taxes each year on $135,000 house in Leander in 2011. The house wasn't anything special.

Taxes on that place now would probably be over $15,000.

I pay roughly $1000 per year in taxes on a home over three times the value of that previous home in East Tennessee.

Property taxes in Texas are nuts.

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Our next house is valued $300k higher than current house and the taxes are going to be at least $12.5k lower.

Property taxes in Texas are off the rails but a victim of our own success plus property taxes being your primary means of funding everything.

However, like I've said before though, this wasn't much of an issue for us when we were dual income, but now that we are very low one income then housing costs matter. Being a retiree in Texas is bottom half of the country from a purely financial standpoint. There are other valid factors that can partially offset that - politics being one of those and point of this thread.

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Yeah, unfortunately, we are dual income, LOLpoors. I work for a university; previously, I was a teacher. So you know, I'm making bank!

My retirement sucks; luckily, I have eight years working for the state of Texas

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I think I'd love to live in the Ozark region of Oklahoma. I just don't know how difficult that would be given the Indian Reservations.

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Why would the Indian reservations be an issue?

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See above.

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Oklahoma is the only state where every county voted red in the 2024 election. Arkansas definitely has a lot of deeply conservative counties, but there is a strip of blue along the Mississippi River and in Little Rock.

I'd also consider New Hampshire. They are becoming a very staunchly libertarian state, so you may not find a better place to live if you want to see the Bill of Rights upheld.

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I think West Virginia did too.

Weed.

Hence why Idaho and Wyoming are out. Hell, Idaho evidently just gets plain mean about it per convos with the weed dealers. Like a cow wandering too far south in India, carrying that weed across the state line has consequences.

But really though, it's actually nice to have some states cool with it and some states policing personal recreation.

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We paid over $5000 in taxes each year on $135,000 house in Leander in 2011. The house wasn't anything special.

Taxes on that place now would probably be over $15,000.

I pay roughly $1000 per year in taxes on a home over three times the value of that previous home in East Tennessee.

Property taxes in Texas are nuts.

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Yes they are. In the early 90s, my house backed to a greenbelt. There were some trash trees that caused problems in my pool. Had my landscape guys cut those down to stop the problems in my pool.

The next year my property taxes went up a thou a year because of a "view tax" which was not a thing unles one was in the Capitol Corridor, which in Great Hills, I was not.

Before I finally sold, annual property taxes were 14 K. No remodel, no expansion. Just a 1979 built house. When I bought it, property taxes were under 2 thou per year.

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zooguy96 said:

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We paid over $5000 in taxes each year on $135,000 house in Leander in 2011. The house wasn't anything special.

Taxes on that place now would probably be over $15,000.

I pay roughly $1000 per year in taxes on a home over three times the value of that previous home in East Tennessee.

Property taxes in Texas are nuts.

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Yes they are. In the early 90s, my house backed to a greenbelt. There were some trash trees that caused problems in my pool. Had my landscape guys cut those down to stop the problems in my pool.

The next year my property taxes went up a thou a year because of a "view tax" which was not a thing unles one was in the Capitol Corridor, which in Great Hills, I was not.

Before I finally sold, annual property taxes were 14 K. No remodel, no expansion. Just a 1979 built house. When I bought it, property taxes were under 2 thou per year.

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I couldn't afford to live in Texas any longer.

Same. My house in CO is valued around 600k and I pay annually what my Texas home had in property taxes for 2 months with an ag exemption.

I live in the state with the largest percentage of land owned by the tribes and we don't have issues. Don't know much about Oklahoma but apparently they have a separate issue.

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Same. My house in CO is valued around 600k and I pay annually what my Texas home had in property taxes for 2 months with an ag exemption.

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I will never understand why we conservative red blooded Texans tolerate this. Property tax is theft.

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Hoyt Ag said:

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Same. My house in CO is valued around 600k and I pay annually what my Texas home had in property taxes for 2 months with an ag exemption.

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I will never understand why we conservative red blooded Texans tolerate this. Property tax is theft.

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Because it will require a state income tax to offset it and to pick up the slack if you pull back on property taxes. And implementing it has a very high hurdle and is seen as worse than property tax.

We've all discussed this ad nauseum.

And before you reply with "flat sales tax" that would require Austin to wealth redistribute it statewide in order it for it to work so now you've centralized state income and sales with the state.

INB4 everyone else jumps in with same old talking points.

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Pacifico said:

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Hoyt Ag said:

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Same. My house in CO is valued around 600k and I pay annually what my Texas home had in property taxes for 2 months with an ag exemption.

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I will never understand why we conservative red blooded Texans tolerate this. Property tax is theft.

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Because it will require a state income tax to offset it and to pick up the slack if you pull back on property taxes. And implementing it has a very high hurdle and is seen as worse than property tax.

We've all discussed this ad nauseum.

And before you reply with "flat sales tax" that would require Austin to wealth redistribute it statewide in order it for it to work so now you've centralized state income and sales with the state.

INB4 everyone else jumps in with same old talking points.

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Not according to Ron DeSantis.

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Cowards. Move into a deep blue area like we are. Take back what's rightfully ours!

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Well its not a good idea only because you'd either starve, due to terrible economic policy, be murdered, arrested for self defense or saying the wrong thing.

I admire your bravery but no thanks. Way to dangerous and way too much risk for many reasons.

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Pacifico said:

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Hoyt Ag said:

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Same. My house in CO is valued around 600k and I pay annually what my Texas home had in property taxes for 2 months with an ag exemption.

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I will never understand why we conservative red blooded Texans tolerate this. Property tax is theft.

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Because it will require a state income tax to offset it and to pick up the slack if you pull back on property taxes. And implementing it has a very high hurdle and is seen as worse than property tax.

We've all discussed this ad nauseum.

And before you reply with "flat sales tax" that would require Austin to wealth redistribute it statewide in order it for it to work so now you've centralized state income and sales with the state.

INB4 everyone else jumps in with same old talking points.

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Not according to Ron DeSantis.

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Don't know context to your statement but comparing Texas and Florida is apples and oranges. And Florida has its own issues with housing costs with the #1-2 highest insurance rates in the country.

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Cowards. Move into a deep blue area like we are. Take back what's rightfully ours!

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Well its not a good idea only because you'd either starve, due to terrible economic policy, be murdered, arrested for self defense or saying the wrong thing.

I admire your bravery but no thanks. Way to dangerous and way too much risk for many reasons.

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I'll drive back over border if we need to. We aren't moving to Chicago. We are on 3.5 acres in the mountains. Gun laws aren't full castle doctrine like Texas but pretty close.

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Same. My house in CO is valued around 600k and I pay annually what my Texas home had in property taxes for 2 months with an ag exemption.

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I will never understand why we conservative red blooded Texans tolerate this. Property tax is theft.

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Because it will require a state income tax to offset it and to pick up the slack if you pull back on property taxes. And implementing it has a very high hurdle and is seen as worse than property tax.

We've all discussed this ad nauseum.

And before you reply with "flat sales tax" that would require Austin to wealth redistribute it statewide in order it for it to work so now you've centralized state income and sales with the state.

INB4 everyone else jumps in with same old talking points.

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TN doesn't have a state income tax….

Russia

Hungary used to be welcome to you, but their normal conservative just defeated their far-right conservative who was propped up by Trump, Putin, and JD Vance.

Idaho. It's not even a close call.

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Idaho. It's not even a close call.

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Having been a resident in Idaho for 7 years now, Boise proper is EXTREMELY blue and the mayor is bats&*t crazy. Beautiful city though, right on the edge of the foothills with a river running through it.

Once you get out of Boise, and maybe small sections in northern Idaho, the state is very heavily influenced by the Mormons and is very conservative. Almost to a fault if you aren't LDS.

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Pacifico said:

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Hoyt Ag said:

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Same. My house in CO is valued around 600k and I pay annually what my Texas home had in property taxes for 2 months with an ag exemption.

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I will never understand why we conservative red blooded Texans tolerate this. Property tax is theft.

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Because it will require a state income tax to offset it and to pick up the slack if you pull back on property taxes. And implementing it has a very high hurdle and is seen as worse than property tax.

We've all discussed this ad nauseum.

And before you reply with "flat sales tax" that would require Austin to wealth redistribute it statewide in order it for it to work so now you've centralized state income and sales with the state.

INB4 everyone else jumps in with same old talking points.

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Tennessee doesn't have a state income tax.

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Idaho. It's not even a close call.

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Having been a resident in Idaho for 7 years now, Boise proper is EXTREMELY blue and the mayor is bats&*t crazy. Beautiful city though, right on the edge of the foothills with a river running through it.

Once you get out of Boise, and maybe small sections in northern Idaho, the state is very heavily influenced by the Mormons and is very conservative. Almost to a fault if you aren't LDS.

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I've lived in Boise for 30 years. Even "liberal" Boise would be one of the most conservative metro areas with more than 500,000 people in American. The truth is, there just isn't the minority population in Idaho or Boise to support truly extreme people. Boise's mayor is nothing like Seattle's mayor.

Completely agree about the Intermountain West political climate. Found this today and thought it would fit in with this topic.

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2026/05/04/the-wyoming-democratic-party-is-shrinking-might-not-be-crossover-yet/

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Same. My house in CO is valued around 600k and I pay annually what my Texas home had in property taxes for 2 months with an ag exemption.

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I will never understand why we conservative red blooded Texans tolerate this. Property tax is theft.

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Because it will require a state income tax to offset it and to pick up the slack if you pull back on property taxes. And implementing it has a very high hurdle and is seen as worse than property tax.

We've all discussed this ad nauseum.

And before you reply with "flat sales tax" that would require Austin to wealth redistribute it statewide in order it for it to work so now you've centralized state income and sales with the state.

INB4 everyone else jumps in with same old talking points.

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TN doesn't have a state income tax….

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Yes, I know. And Tennessee is nothing at all like Texas. At all.

DFW has more population than the entire state of TN.

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Idaho. It's not even a close call.

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Having been a resident in Idaho for 7 years now, Boise proper is EXTREMELY blue and the mayor is bats&*t crazy. Beautiful city though, right on the edge of the foothills with a river running through it.

Once you get out of Boise, and maybe small sections in northern Idaho, the state is very heavily influenced by the Mormons and is very conservative. Almost to a fault if you aren't LDS.

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I've lived in Boise for 30 years. Even "liberal" Boise would be one of the most conservative metro areas with more than 500,000 people in American. The truth is, there just isn't the minority population in Idaho or Boise to support truly extreme people. Boise's mayor is nothing like Seattle's mayor.

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I'll give you that much lol

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slaughtr said:

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Idaho. It's not even a close call.

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Having been a resident in Idaho for 7 years now, Boise proper is EXTREMELY blue and the mayor is bats&*t crazy. Beautiful city though, right on the edge of the foothills with a river running through it.

Once you get out of Boise, and maybe small sections in northern Idaho, the state is very heavily influenced by the Mormons and is very conservative. Almost to a fault if you aren't LDS.

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I've lived in Boise for 30 years. Even "liberal" Boise would be one of the most conservative metro areas with more than 500,000 people in American. The truth is, there just isn't the minority population in Idaho or Boise to support truly extreme people. Boise's mayor is nothing like Seattle's mayor.

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I'll give you that much lol

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I briefly tried to move to Boise back in the early aughts. Great city. I know it has changed somewhat since then with massive growth out of CA. Cleanest larger city I've ever been in.

Covid made it explode in growth and popularity. I live in Meridian which is a suburb of Boise and the traffic is starting to rival larger metropolis and cities. Home prices doubled in cost in under a year. If we had to move here now, it would make it close to being unaffordable/not worth it with all of the Californians who sold their 2 room bungalow for millions and bought McMansions here.

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Covid made it explode in growth and popularity. I live in Meridian which is a suburb of Boise and the traffic is starting to rival larger metropolis and cities. Home prices doubled in cost in under a year. If we had to move here now, it would make it close to being unaffordable/not worth it with all of the Californians who sold their 2 room bungalow for millions and bought McMansions here.

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I live now in Meridian as well. Only good thing about all the Californians in my neighborhood is they seem to be even more conservative than the natives, lol.