Talks Are Heating Up For A Fetterman Party Flip

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Given how much he is beating the Ds up on their policies lately, it shouldn't shock them if he flips. He'd likely vote D or abstain on several things, but I think there is a solution to get him across the finish line for the SAVE Act that we would all be okay with.
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He's not voting for the SAVE America Acr.

He's a liberal. We already have enough RINOs. Think Collins is bad? He's way to the left of her.

No thank you!

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Rapier108
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I could see him go Independent and caucus with the Republicans like Bernie and King do with the Democrats.

Don't see him flipping parties.
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He may if the continue to threaten him with a primary. Would be nice if the could be a Democrat Rand Paul. Anytime there is something critical to the R agenda and the vote is close, go vote with the other side and claim muh principles!
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Why should he flip. Vote your conscience and represent your constituents. Who cares if he goes against the party. Thats the problem with politics now. It's about the party and not the people. But the dems have turned into the mafia. You go against the family, well, good luck.
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Gen X Arlen Spector.

Not a bad place to be in. Can wield a lot of power from that position.

Would not have called this back at the start of this man's career, but I must give him props. He's played the cards dealt pretty well.
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Im Gipper said:

He's not voting for the SAVE America Acr.

He's a liberal. We already have enough RINOs. Think Collins is bad? He's way to the left of her.

No thank you!


A moderate R is FAR and away better that the radical that will run on the Dem side. Fetterman (R) as a known in the state is far more electable then another candidate.
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He is not "moderate". He's very liberal.

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If that's true, it sounds like Trump wants him to lose.
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safety guy said:

Why should he flip. Vote your conscience and represent your constituents. Who cares if he goes against the party. Thats the problem with politics now. It's about the party and not the people. But the dems have turned into the mafia. You go against the family, well, good luck.

If he runs again as a Dem his own party will primary him with a radical. Then you're counting on Republicans moving over to help him in the primary.
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Rapier108 said:

I could see him go Independent and caucus with the Republicans like Bernie and King do with the Democrats.

Don't see him flipping parties.


Independent makes a lot of sense. Hell piss of both sides and then make them thrilled, all while having to be catered to by them both.

It'll be a good move for him.
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policywonk98 said:

Gen X Arlen Spector.

Not a bad place to be in. Can wield a lot of power from that position.

Would not have called this back at the start of this man's career, but I must give him props. He's played the cards dealt pretty well.

Keith Morrison needs to grab John Quinones and look into what Gisele was feeding him back in 2022. That who pre election, stroke, mental breakdown then emerged a moderate well reasoned Dem.

It's bizarre.
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Im Gipper said:

He is not "moderate". He's very liberal.


And when he was recovering from his stroke and people were wondering if he'd ever out wit a potato (I'm glad he's recovered well and wish him well, but that was an honest assessment at the time), he still beat the best the Republicans could field.

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Oz was a cringe disaster. He's been very loyal to Trump for the 20 years they e known each other and I guess Trump wanted to solidify that in 2022. And he's been in both admins.

Fetterman will tell you he is a devout Democrat. But I think he recognizes an opportunity to build some immense political capital with the Rs right now. He or whomever is advising him being very savvy right now.

But no one should think Fetterman is a reliable moderate and sometimes conservative.
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Rapier108 said:

I could see him go Independent and caucus with the Republicans like Bernie and King do with the Democrats.

Don't see him flipping parties.

That's actually his best move. There are still a lot of Pennsylvanians who are smack dab in the center.

I would love a narrative of Fetterman the Independent: Here's a man who personifies what Democrats used to be - a man with principles stronger than party, and who has the ability and desire to reach across lines.

I'd be happy with that arrangement.
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Im Gipper said:

He's not voting for the SAVE America Acr.

He's a liberal. We already have enough RINOs. Think Collins is bad? He's way to the left of her.

No thank you!

So what?
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Im Gipper said:

He's not voting for the SAVE America Acr.

He's a liberal. We already have enough RINOs. Think Collins is bad? He's way to the left of her.

No thank you!


This. He'll run as independent if anything.
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Strategic move for Fetterman. If Democrats are planning to stab him in the back, then letting something out like this could work to prevent that.

Speaks volumes if a pro-America Pennsylvania liberal is now unacceptable to Democrats compared to the Nepo Nazi in Maine.
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pa is red without the Philly harvesting machine.
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FTAG 2000 said:

pa is red without the Philly harvesting machine.

Pittsburgh is no better. There is a reason why PA is called a "T-State." East if Philly, West is Pittsburgh and what is between and around them are GOP.
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Rapier108 said:

I could see him go Independent and caucus with the Republicans like Bernie and King do with the Democrats.

Don't see him flipping parties.

Independents never caucus with the Republicans.

They ALWAYS caucus with the Ds, because they aren't remotely conservative.
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There is no reason for him to switch. He is safe in that state and will be a senator for as long as he wants because he appeals to the old dems and many "conservatives" in his state. The scary thing is that if he was to somehow win the primary in a presidential run, he would get elected pretty easily because he says enough of the right things to pull a lot of uninformed republican voters. He could never win a primary, though, because the radical dems would eat him alive.
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He's basically a tard and is super corrupt. I'm sure he'll flip for cash. Trump said he'd give Fetterman a ton of money if he flips. Trump has already profited like $3 billion in the last 14 months. Corruption is cool again in the Conservative Party.
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GottaRide said:

There is no reason for him to switch. He is safe in that state and will be a senator for as long as he wants because he appeals to the old dems and many "conservatives" in his state. The scary thing is that if he was to somehow win the primary in a presidential run, he would get elected pretty easily because he says enough of the right things to pull a lot of uninformed republican voters. He could never win a primary, though, because the radical dems would eat him alive.
Lol. "radical dems"… Fetterman would lose to actual moderate Connor Lamb 85-15% in a primary. Fetterman couldn't win anywhere in any election including a General. The one reason he'd stay Dem, is bc he sees the glorification Joe Manchin got for being "bipartisan".
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Democrats are the party of murder and depravity. There are no moderates, unless you consider Satan a moderate.
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Uh he won and is a senator. Not drunk posting on a Monday night.
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Kenneth_2003 said:

safety guy said:

Why should he flip. Vote your conscience and represent your constituents. Who cares if he goes against the party. Thats the problem with politics now. It's about the party and not the people. But the dems have turned into the mafia. You go against the family, well, good luck.

If he runs again as a Dem his own party will primary him with a radical. Then you're counting on Republicans moving over to help him in the primary.

He will face a primary challenge, and keep in mind his long-running feud/antipathy with the (broadly popular) Governor of his state (Shapiro).

I wouldn't put money on him staying in the Dem party but I also highly doubt he flips to GOP. If he could get money/backing from the GOP as an independent to caucus with the 'good guys' (not that I view our senate delegation as objectively good), it could help with various procedural votes etc., and free him from pressure from Schumer of course to mostly toe the party line on their side.

We likely are simply not going to elect a particularly conservative senator in PA in 2028, so this is pretty close to 'as good as we can do.' It would also mean the Dems will run some far-left BSC candidate which will help Vance/Rubio at the top.
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there is a solution to get him across the finish line for the SAVE Act that we would all be okay with.


such as?
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Im Gipper said:

He's not voting for the SAVE America Acr.

He's a liberal. We already have enough RINOs. Think Collins is bad? He's way to the left of her.

No thank you!

I get your point but it's still a win. He'll still vote with the GOP on most issues and it's a nice blow to the dems.
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ts5641 said:

Im Gipper said:

He's not voting for the SAVE America Acr.

He's a liberal. We already have enough RINOs. Think Collins is bad? He's way to the left of her.

No thank you!

I get your point but it's still a win. He'll still vote with the GOP on most issues and it's a nice blow to the dems.


you in the market for a bridge? I know a guy
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Ag1188 said:

Trump has already profited like $3 billion in the last 14 months. Corruption is cool again in the Conservative Party.


Let's pretend this is true. Not even gonna ask you to provide proof because I don't care. You've got two choices here:

1. Be offended that a billionaire went to DC and got richer off the system.
2. Be offended that the past three Democrats went to DC effectively worth nothing and emerged worth hundreds of millions in one case and tens of millions in the other two. Biden spent a career in DC and he nor anyone is his family has ever done anything meaningful in the private sector, ever. Yet somehow they made tens of millions of dollars. How does that happen if not for corruption?

My point isn't that this idea that Trump gained wealth as president is OK, it's not. But the game is what it is and the corruption machine long pre-dates Donald Trump. The Republicans are finally figuring out they can't play by one set of rules and the Democrats the other. Policy matters. Nothing else. We're not fixing the system to eliminate corruption. So yes it's better that my guy get rich with policies that I like versus the other guy get rich while enacting policies that are harmful to my ability to get rich. Nothing Trump has done has hurt my businesses or career. Can't say that for Biden, Obama or Clinton.
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LOYAL AG said:

Biden spent a career in DC and he nor anyone is his family has ever done anything meaningful in the private sector, ever. Yet somehow they made tens of millions of dollars. How does that happen if not for corruption?

Sir, Hunter Biden was the smartest guy Peepaw knew and was a fantastically successful international oil and gas consultant, as well as an artist who produced several masterpieces for the world to enjoy.

Back to the topic at hand, it's time the GOP played the Dems game. Stolen from Matt Forney on x:
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f true, it's smart politics, the kind that the Democrats have been doing to Republicans for ages.

Following the 2000 election, the Senate was split 50-50, with Dick Cheney casting the tiebreaking vote. A few months into 2001, Vermont Republican Jim Jeffords suddenly left the party, became an independent, and signed a sweetheart deal with Democrats to give them control in exchange for getting to keep his committee seats. Republicans didn't win back control until the 2002 midterms.

In 2009, Pennsylvania Republican Arlen Specter abruptly switched to the Democrats, giving them a veto-proof majority and enabling the passage of Obamacare. Specter didn't even hide his self-serving reasons for crossing the aisle; he straight-up said he did it because he believed he would lose the next GOP primary. Joke ended up being on him because Pennsylvania Democrats thought he was too right-wing and turfed him out in THEIR primary in 2010, with the seat returning to Republican control in that year's midterms. In both cases, Democrats overrode the will of the voters to get majorities they could not win at the ballot box.

John Fetterman has been a loyal Democratic soldier on most votes, but he's found himself isolated within the party regardless. He's too much of a chud. He's pro-Israel. He wants to crack down on crime and he's fine with border enforcement. He's almost certainly going to lose renomination in 2028 because the Mamdani wing of the party hates him now.

Realistically, Fetterman would be the most left-wing Senate Republican if he takes the deal. But MAGA is a broad-based majority coalition now. It's the New Deal Coalition of the 21st century, with its own progressive (Tulsi Gabbard, RFK) and conservative (JD Vance, Marco Rubio) wings. Fetterman should take the deal because he has no future as a Democrat.

Good points, imho.
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nortex97 said:

LOYAL AG said:

Biden spent a career in DC and he nor anyone is his family has ever done anything meaningful in the private sector, ever. Yet somehow they made tens of millions of dollars. How does that happen if not for corruption?

Sir, Hunter Biden was the smartest guy Peepaw knew and was a fantastically successful international oil and gas consultant, as well as an artist who produced several masterpieces for the world to enjoy.

Back to the topic at hand, it's time the GOP played the Dems game. Stolen from Matt Forney on x:
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f true, it's smart politics, the kind that the Democrats have been doing to Republicans for ages.

Following the 2000 election, the Senate was split 50-50, with Dick Cheney casting the tiebreaking vote. A few months into 2001, Vermont Republican Jim Jeffords suddenly left the party, became an independent, and signed a sweetheart deal with Democrats to give them control in exchange for getting to keep his committee seats. Republicans didn't win back control until the 2002 midterms.

In 2009, Pennsylvania Republican Arlen Specter abruptly switched to the Democrats, giving them a veto-proof majority and enabling the passage of Obamacare. Specter didn't even hide his self-serving reasons for crossing the aisle; he straight-up said he did it because he believed he would lose the next GOP primary. Joke ended up being on him because Pennsylvania Democrats thought he was too right-wing and turfed him out in THEIR primary in 2010, with the seat returning to Republican control in that year's midterms. In both cases, Democrats overrode the will of the voters to get majorities they could not win at the ballot box.

John Fetterman has been a loyal Democratic soldier on most votes, but he's found himself isolated within the party regardless. He's too much of a chud. He's pro-Israel. He wants to crack down on crime and he's fine with border enforcement. He's almost certainly going to lose renomination in 2028 because the Mamdani wing of the party hates him now.

Realistically, Fetterman would be the most left-wing Senate Republican if he takes the deal. But MAGA is a broad-based majority coalition now. It's the New Deal Coalition of the 21st century, with its own progressive (Tulsi Gabbard, RFK) and conservative (JD Vance, Marco Rubio) wings. Fetterman should take the deal because he has no future as a Democrat.

Good points, imho.


I think that's a great assessment. Here's the truth conservatives haven't figured out yet, including those on F16. The Republican Party isn't conservative and hasn't been for 20+ years. They've been "less liberal" at best. I think most know that but what they don't know is it doesn't matter. You can count me among them, by the way.

Right now the battle is between a broad coalition of old school Democrats and moderate Republicans vs an increasingly radical left that's hell bent on the federal government becoming an all powerful communist entity immune to the outcome of votes. That's just a simple fact. Look where the youth of each party is right now and tell me where both parties are going to be in a decade. There is nothing moderate about the young democrats currently in office which is why the party moderates are leaving.

This is just where we are right now. Doesn't matter even a little that we don't like where the Republicans are, it's far better than the Democrats. I'm very libertarian, I hate government beyond the core functions of roads, public safety and defense. I used to say things like, "The Democrats are right 30% of the time and the Republicans are right 30% of the time which means both are wrong more than either is right." Now I've had to change to, "The Republicans are right 40% of the time and the Democrats are always wrong which is why we've become such a soup sandwich."

At some point you'd think even the most TDS infected moderates would ask themselves how many moderates have to leave the before they realize this isn't what they signed up for either. That remains to be seen.
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Sad to see so many cheering on this lurch to the left by the Republican party. Let's welcome Fetterman with open arms! Bring RFK Jr! What could possibly go wrong!


Yall are going to be longing for the "Glory Days" of W if these libs take a hold of the party.

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A party necessarily involves a coalition though, unless one builds a parliamentary system with mono-parties that then align to take power. It would still be key to getting judicial confirmations etc. to include such voices, and allow the GOP to compete in places like the northeast/west coast for Senate races.

There is a utility to it, keeping the Collins/Rockefeller/Sununu etc. branches of the party alive. It also forces the leftists to spend money on races up there, and can also have the knock on effect of forcing them not to run the most radical ignorant morons long term (anyone on their HI/NY delegations essentially, or Chris Coons/Murphy etc).
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