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Personally, I think the death penalty is a bit overused in Texas and I don't necessarily think it's a great deterrent, but I'm not going to lose sleep over this guy. If anyone deserves it it's him.

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Overused? Not a deterrent?

Hell, even freakin' Ann Richards said it cut recidivism down to zero.

How many murderous criminals are being allowed out wtih cashless bail only to kill again just in the last few years?

Look, I was a teen in the late 70s and there was a study about this I saw and read. There was this program for juvenile delinquents called "Scared Straight."

What was that? The prison officials would put juveniles into a big room alone with violent criminals, murderers, many on death row, for killing someone else while in prison. Every kid understood those convicts had zero to lose by killing every one of those kids with their bare hands.

Kids were scared s***less. Less than 50% (IIRC) of those that went through that program were repeat offenders after three years.

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Cool story, bro. Deterrence is 100% irrelevant. Your shingle doesn't make you the expert here.

The death penalty has never been a deterrent. People that commit crimes eligible for this punishment don't think about consequences before they commit them with the exception of killing someone to try to prevent themselves going to prison.

The death penalty is about justice and that's enough.

You can care. be disgusted, and
angry about what the little girl went through and still feel compassion for people that had to listen to that and hear it for the rest of their lives in their minds, they're not mutually exclusive.

As I've said before, I wish they could just take him outside, shoot him in the head, leave him in the ditch for the vultures to get them. And that would even be too good for him.

WaltonAg18 said:

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What a tragic way to live your life. To be filled with such vitriol and hatred.

If you are a Christian, then you believe Jesus died for all of our sins - including this man's.

If you aren't, since you're allegedly conservative, you should believe in the limited power of the state.

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I don't live my life tragically or with vitriol and hate except for people who kill little girls like this. I find it very strange that you don't. You're more concerned with forgiving him than for what he did and that's pretty messed up even God would think so. Remember he can be very vengeful as well as forgiving.

God is the only one that can forgive this guy. If he asks for true forgiveness of God that's on him, but he still deserves to die for what he did on earth. He still has to answer for state and federal laws as well as God's law. There is nothing over reaching about that and conservatives should be OK with this.

And you can get off your damn soap box insinuating that you're better than other people.

For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned. Romans 12:3

I pray to God no one in your family is ever killed like this little girl was.

WaltonAg18 said:

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You cannot be pro-life and pro-death penalty.

Every person deserves the opportunity to atone for their sins, regardless of how heinous their crimes are.

Was he deserving of death? Yes, and I don't think anyone here is arguing against that. But I don't believe the state should have the power to execute anyone.

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Of course you can. You can be pro-life in that you do not believe people should kill babies, who have done nothing wrong, and be pro-death penalty for adults who have done terrible things and deserve punishment.

The murderer can ask for forgiveness, that's up to him. Right up to the point they strap him to the gurney and turn his lights out as punishment for what he did. I only regret that the lethal injection is too clinical, too passive, and not nearly as fear inducing as climbing the gallows, or seeing a guillotine, seeing a pile of sandbags if using a firing squad, or walking into a room with an electric chair waiting.

WaltonAg18 said:

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What a tragic way to live your life. To be filled with such vitriol and hatred.

If you are a Christian, then you believe Jesus died for all of our sins - including this man's.

If you aren't, since you're allegedly conservative, you should believe in the limited power of the state.

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What happened to all that keep your Christianity out of my govt stuff?

Who?mikejones! said:

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WaltonAg18 said:

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What a tragic way to live your life. To be filled with such vitriol and hatred.

If you are a Christian, then you believe Jesus died for all of our sins - including this man's.

If you aren't, since you're allegedly conservative, you should believe in the limited power of the state.

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What happened to all that keep your Christianity out of my govt stuff?

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That only applies to abortion and LGBT stuff. WWJD is OK if it supports leftist policies. /s

BonfireNerd04 said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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WaltonAg18 said:

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What a tragic way to live your life. To be filled with such vitriol and hatred.

If you are a Christian, then you believe Jesus died for all of our sins - including this man's.

If you aren't, since you're allegedly conservative, you should believe in the limited power of the state.

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What happened to all that keep your Christianity out of my govt stuff?

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That only applies to abortion and LGBT stuff. WWJD is OK if it supports leftist policies. /s

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Yawn, nice try. I think abortion laws should include tragedies like IVF clinics that kill millions times more babies than abortion even does, but we'll never see the end of either because too many congressmen want to bang the secretary and send her to the liberal states to kill the love child.

Like another poster said, murderers are not too far gone to be given forgiveness. There is a very famous case where one of the fathers of a victim of a serial killer said during the impact statements that the father forgave the killer and that was the only moment that the man broke down during the trial.

"What you have done to the least of you, you have done to Me"

I don't think anyone is saying he can't be forgiven, and maybe he will find Christ and make it to heaven. No one is beyond saving. Doesn't mean he shouldn't pay for his crimes on earth.

Plenty of people find salvation in prison. That doesn't mean they don't still have to serve their sentence. You're completely misguided in your non-sensical ramblings.

We have a death row Bible Study Fellowship group in Huntsville. There are men trying to finish their studies before their execution date arrives.

WaltonAg18 said:

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You cannot be pro-life and pro-death penalty.

Every person deserves the opportunity to atone for their sins, regardless of how heinous their crimes are.

Was he deserving of death? Yes, and I don't think anyone here is arguing against that. But I don't believe the state should have the power to execute anyone.

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So if one cannot be pro life and pro death penalty, then how can someone be pro abortion anti death penalty?

Successful derail successful. Ignore and move on

The sad thing is this POS will more than likely live another 15-20 years on DR.

My understanding is the appeal process takes forever because appeals just take forever. It isn't the number of appeals it's the time to brief and process through the system. There are a lot of factors there.

It takes time for appellate attorneys to review thousands of pages of transcripts, research, and write briefs. Then the state appellate attorneys, who sometimes wear more than one hat, need time to adequately respond. Then the courts need time to review hundreds of pages of briefs, research the case law themselves, and schedule for oral argument which are generally backlogged. Not that anyone doesn't take other cases seriously, but these death penalty cases are gone over with fine-tooth combs and given more time. Then the case gets argued. Then it takes months if not longer for the courts to write their opinions. Then the convicted more than likely files in federal court, which takes time, then gets appealed to the Federal appellate courts which takes time, then throw a hail mary for the Supreme Court to take up the case which hardly ever happens but that still takes time.

And that's just one appeal cycle for one type of appeal. Then of course because it's a death penalty case everything under the sun is going to be filed and for the most part taken seriously by the Appellate courts. The process to slog through all of these filings just takes time.

The nurse in Tyler who killed his patients was convicted in 2021 and it took 4.5 years to brief, argue, and get an opinion issued by the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals on his primary appeal. It took over a year for the TCCA to publish their opinion after oral argument. This makes sense when you consider the stakes. Every word in those opinions matters.

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I don't think anyone is saying he can't be forgiven, and maybe he will find Christ and make it to heaven. No one is beyond saving. Doesn't mean he shouldn't pay for his crimes on earth.

Plenty of people find salvation in prison. That doesn't mean they don't still have to serve their sentence. You're completely misguided in your non-sensical ramblings.

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I have been extremely clear in my position, there's nothing nonsensical about it. The removal of the opportunity to repent by snuffing out additional lives is one that I am morally opposed to.

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WaltonAg18 said:

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You cannot be pro-life and pro-death penalty.

Every person deserves the opportunity to atone for their sins, regardless of how heinous their crimes are.

Was he deserving of death? Yes, and I don't think anyone here is arguing against that. But I don't believe the state should have the power to execute anyone.

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So if one cannot be pro life and pro death penalty, then how can someone be pro abortion anti death penalty?

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Simple: cognitive dissonance and a lack of faith in God. The pro-abortion and pro-IVF crowds convince themselves that it's okay to destroy those souls because they "aren't really alive".

It takes more than a decade to put them to death. Plenty of time to repent. This is a very weird troll.

Good lord at the soft ones on this thread saying they are usually against the death penalty. wtf