Hank the Grifter said:

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I'll be that guy.

It's "Victory in Europe Day" not "Victory Day in Europe".

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Doh!

Great catch.

Hank the Grifter said:

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I'll be that guy.

It's "Victory in Europe Day" not "Victory Day in Europe".

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VE Day for short.

D-Day was June 6th 1944. VE Day less than a year later. Would no have been possible without Patton and Montgomery coming up from North Africa, landing in Italy and advancing to meet (sometimes miraculously so) with the Normandy forces.

aggiehawg said:

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Hank the Grifter said:

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I'll be that guy.

It's "Victory in Europe Day" not "Victory Day in Europe".

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VE Day for short.

D-Day was June 6th 1944. VE Day less than a year later. Would no have been possible without Patton and Montgomery coming up from North Africa, landing in Italy and advancing to meet (sometimes miraculously so) with the Normandy forces.

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LOL nope

Montgomery and also Patton were already in ENGLAND by the spring of 1944

Patton was used as a decoy after slapping a soldier and insulting the Russians during a speech to a British ladies club.

Montgomery was given command of the 21st Army Group landing on D-Day which controlled all American infantry units until 12th Army activated under General Omar Bradley

Patton assumed command of Third Army in France which was deployed from British ports by August 1944.

no units from Italy linked up with the French invasion forces

later in the summer during Operation Dragoon Allied forces (mostly American) landed on beaches in the south of France- many of those units had been fighting in Italy previously but were landed by the US Navy

it was these units which linked up with 12th Army Group in the area of the Rhone Valley

no units actually in Italy linked up with the rest of the Allied armies until getting to the Brenner Pass during the German final surrender.

it was here that former Senator Bob Dole was wounded by a grenade in the final Italian battles

Of course, neither Patton nor Montgomery were ever in Tunisia and certainly never landed in Italy. Riight.

A large percentage of German POWS that were brought stateside were captured in North Africa, but whatever.

Here, to the best, bravest, and most honorable men to live before, during, or after our being on this earth. While Im alive I dont see anything more honorable than that group of men. RIP you brave souls, and we will see you down the road.

It is great to remember the brave men and women that had to go clean up Europe for the second time. Only for the European decindents to be so soft that they voluntarily surrendered their countries today. What a shame.

Patton was in Tunisia with Second Corps.

When is VI day?

Hawg, you OK?

aggiehawg said:

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Of course, neither Patton nor Montgomery were ever in Tunisia and certainly never landed in Italy. Riight.

A large percentage of German POWS that were brought stateside were captured in North Africa, but whatever.

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He's not saying they weren't in North Africa. He's saying they didn't go from Italy, up the boot, and link up with the Normandy forces. He's right.

aggiehawg said:

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Of course, neither Patton nor Montgomery were ever in Tunisia and certainly never landed in Italy. Riight.

A large percentage of German POWS that were brought stateside were captured in North Africa, but whatever.

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you literally wrote that Patton linked up from Italy with the Normandy invasion and "miraculously so"

then you get mad when someone points out that you are just factually incorrect?

in fact, Patton never even invaded or commanded troops in mainland Italy.

he was cashiered from command after slapping a battle shocked soldier in Sicily

Maybe this would be a good time for an online F16 "Patton" watch party.

Regardless of the details, this is a great day to remember and celebrate. Now I am eagerly awaiting VI Day.

aggiehawg said:

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Hank the Grifter said:

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I'll be that guy.

It's "Victory in Europe Day" not "Victory Day in Europe".

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VE Day for short.

D-Day was June 6th 1944. VE Day less than a year later. Would no have been possible without Patton and Montgomery coming up from North Africa, landing in Italy and advancing to meet (sometimes miraculously so) with the Normandy forces.

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You mean General Jacob L. Devers who led the 6th Army Group, which included the U.S. Seventh Army, in invading Vichy-controlled southern France (landing at Marseilles France) before racing up the Rhone Valley to meet up with the 3rd Army at Dijon in eastern France (sept 1944).

Two weeks from yesterday I along with another Aggie land in Paris to start a Band of Brothers tour. Both our dads went ashore in Normandy then fought through the Battle of the Bulge.

Bucket list for both of us. Already have an Aggie flag packed for photo opportunities.

And sadly, 90% of graduating high school students for the last 10 years have no idea what we are talking about

Interesting bit of VE Day trivia.

103 year old US Army Sergeant Louis Graziano is the last living witness to the German surrender in Reims.

https://eisenhowerfoundation.net/soldier/louis-graziano

torrid said:

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When is VI day?

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That was on Wednesday.

I have come to the realization that the way WW2 history has been spun has a lot of holes in it.

Reason for outbreak of WW2 in Europe:

Sudetenland, Rest of CZ, and eventually half of Poland taken by Nazis. UK and France declare war to defend liberty of Poles from being ruled by tyrannical German regime. But neither declare war on USSR who took the other half......

Reason for outbreak of Japan/US hostility WW2 in Pacific:

Ostensibly, the invasion of China, mostly in Manchuria, and US objections to it. US allegedly did not want an Imperial Authoritarian/Industrialist regime ruling over people in China.

Outcome of Poland, CZ, China, and North Korea at end of War?:
Puppet states defacto ruled over the USSR with Communist radicals in control locally. Poland, CZ, EGerm, Hun, Rom, Yugo, Albania, and Bulgaria through the re-conquest of land as the Red Army pushed west. Instead of drawing a hard line in the sand, US and UK capitulated to Stalin demands.

China's Mao immediately used the post-ww2 chaos to large scale attack Chang's ROC nationwide and swiftly win the civil war. China's people ended up in a totalitarian Communist regime which went on to murder far more of them than the Japanese ever could have. And North Korea today only exists as a by product of the late stage Soviet entry in the final weeks of WW2 against Japan.

So what was the point again when the nations we were fighting to save mostly ended up under totalitarian Communism after being rescued from Imperialism and Fascism?

By the way, none of my thinking on this means that in any way I am demeaning or insulting the bravery or memory of those who fought and died in WW2. The military men are still heroes to me and they fight for each other.

Remember that "War is a mere continuation of policy [or politics] by other means." Clausewitz

Highway6 said:

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And sadly, 90% of graduating high school students for the last 10 years have no idea what we are talking about

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They don't even know we have 50 states.

annie88 said:

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Highway6 said:

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And sadly, 90% of graduating high school students for the last 10 years have no idea what we are talking about

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They don't even know we have 50 states.

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If we let Democrats take over all three branches of government we will have 52. That will lear them real quick I bet!

TheEternalOptimist said:

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I have come to the realization that the way WW2 history has been spun has a lot of holes in it.

Reason for outbreak of WW2 in Europe:

Sudetenland, Rest of CZ, and eventually half of Poland taken by Nazis. UK and France declare war to defend liberty of Poles from being ruled by tyrannical German regime. But neither declare war on USSR who took the other half......

Reason for outbreak of Japan/US hostility WW2 in Pacific:

Ostensibly, the invasion of China, mostly in Manchuria, and US objections to it. US allegedly did not want an Imperial Authoritarian/Industrialist regime ruling over people in China.

Outcome of Poland, CZ, China, and North Korea at end of War?:
Puppet states defacto ruled over the USSR with Communist radicals in control locally. Poland, CZ, EGerm, Hun, Rom, Yugo, Albania, and Bulgaria through the re-conquest of land as the Red Army pushed west. Instead of drawing a hard line in the sand, US and UK capitulated to Stalin demands.

China's Mao immediately used the post-ww2 chaos to large scale attack Chang's ROC nationwide and swiftly win the civil war. China's people ended up in a totalitarian Communist regime which went on to murder far more of them than the Japanese ever could have. And North Korea today only exists as a by product of the late stage Soviet entry in the final weeks of WW2 against Japan.

So what was the point again when the nations we were fighting to save mostly ended up under totalitarian Communism after being rescued from Imperialism and Fascism?

By the way, none of my thinking on this means that in any way I am demeaning or insulting the bravery or memory of those who fought and died in WW2. The military men are still heroes to me and they fight for each other.

Remember that "War is a mere continuation of policy [or politics] by other means." Clausewitz

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The winner writes the history books

Waiting for Greta Thunberg to share a photo of a destroyed Berlin and complain about the genocide the Allies committed.

Got a Natty! said:

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Two weeks from yesterday I along with another Aggie land in Paris to start a Band of Brothers tour. Both our dads went ashore in Normandy then fought through the Battle of the Bulge.

Bucket list for both of us. Already have an Aggie flag packed for photo opportunities.

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God Bless.

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The winner writes the history books

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You haven't read very many "history" books from the last 30-40 years. They are definitely not written by winners but revisionist historians seeking first a class/race/sex bent and second, if they get to it, historical accuracy. They defend the first by saying you can't get historical accuracy without a clear "lens" like class/race/sex to see it to.

Its all BS.