Could America build this?

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I remember seeing an impressive Chinese bridge on X about a year ago. It was so impressive, that I was certain it was AI. It wasn't.

I got to see it on X again 6 months later.

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nortex97 said:

The Houston-DFW high speed rail line was a mismanaged disaster from start to finish which even our admittedly inept state legislature refused to back, thankfully. They acquired just enough property and had just enough investors/powerpoints to get media attention, before it finally fell apart.

It's an example of why we shouldn't try to 'be like China' just because they build/open something that is really big. Congqing is one of 4 nationally administered cities and part of the government's 'push west' so hundreds of millions/billions of investment has been made to make it look pretty/grow. If the US government by policy decided to invest a couple trillion dollars into making Amarillo a population/transit/industrial/tech industry hq this could be done, with rail and everything, but...why?

If I had to make a ten dollar bet whether the 'Chongqing East Railway Station' is busy, profitable, and safe in 10 or 20 years, I'd definitely take the under, in any case.

As it stands now, if you divide continental US in half (live would be just west of San Antonio) 80% of our population to the east with only 20% to the west. Too much federal land in the west has kept that population lower. So where in theory there is the land available to easily accommodate such a project, there is not the population center to support it.
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There's plenty of land available for housing in the western 2/3 (or half), the issue is more or less the industry/reasons to build there, which have been shifting of late (not just with AI). Much of the mid-west was fought over water rights, which is something a whole lot of folks just don't study/aren't aware of.
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TxAg82 said:

We could. But why would we? Chinese car ownership rate is like 17%. They get around by rail. US car ownership rate is well over 90%. We get around by personal vehicle.

I certainly wish we could have both systems in place but I think autonomous driving is going to revolutionize how we get around by personal vehicle/hired vehicle/busses before we get around to building thousands of miles of passenger rail.

I take the Von Lane busses between Texas cities on occasion and it is very convenient. No need for rail lines when we could ramp up nicer busses and convenient routes on existing interstate highway infrastructure.

My neice always take the Von Lane coming from TCU to Austin and back. It's efficient. She tried to take Amtrak ONE TIME to have the experience. 7-8 hours after leaving later she finally made it to Austin. Never again, she says.

Here's the problem... Passenger rail in Texas has to defer to freight rail 100% of the time, as the freight lines own the tracks. It was an exceptionally busy day with more freight trains than usual, so she spent hours sitting on side tracks waiting for the freight train to make it through. Sometimes multiple freight trains 10-15 minutes apart would go through before her train would move again.

The most beautiful train station complex in the world would still be empty if passenger rail continues to be significantly more expensive and twice as long of duration than travelling by road vehicle.
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aggiehawg said:

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We (meaning my father and his peers) built the TransAlaska Pipeline in 3 years.

So we could do it from a technology and logistics standpoint.


For which company? My Dad worked on the design for that pipeline for Texaco back in the day.
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Musk is just making a push for more slavery and lower wages in America just like China has.

He is a crook. Don't trust him.
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Roger that! Thanks for the response.
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Maroon Dawn said:

1) as pointed out it's likely extremely shoddy building that's the hallmark of China's form over substance approach

2) If we had an actual dictatorship like Dems claim that could simply seize the land required and not worry about citizen rights then yeah, lots of big projects become very easy



The state already owns all the land
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TexAgs91 said:

China built this. But could America? I know we can build this, but with all the regulations, could we build this?




Elon reposted it. I hope he buys the real estate for the stations acquired by Texas High Speed Rail, and moves forward putting the rail lines underground. His Boring Company has made some tremendous advancements, making this much less expensive and much more feasible. It could potentially be cheaper to bore it than elevate it.
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BlackGold said:

In 3 years? Not a chance in hell. Took 12 years to do the Katy Freeway expansion.

30+ years I have driven I20 from Texas to NC and it's still under construction.
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kb2001 said:

There was an effort to build a high speed rail station in Houston. There was an old mall that shutdown, and the property was acquired. It's been over a decade of red tape so far, and no real progress made. It was in the news recently because they started tearing down the mall buildings finally.

Found a story about it:

I don't think projects of that scale are possible in the US anymore. There are too many regulations, environmental regulations in particular, that make it infeasible. Land acquisition for the rail lines is possible through eminent domain seizure purchase, but each one is years of legal battles before and after the fact. All of this makes the cost too high for the risk of nothing happening. You could spend 30+ years in legal battles, and the impact of losing one of them is severe.


It's a good thing the interstate highway system is already built out. Can you imagine trying to do that from scratch now? We'd never be able to accomplish it. It's sad how far we've fallen in ~60 years.
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aggiehawg said:

nortex97 said:

The Houston-DFW high speed rail line was a mismanaged disaster from start to finish which even our admittedly inept state legislature refused to back, thankfully. They acquired just enough property and had just enough investors/powerpoints to get media attention, before it finally fell apart.

It's an example of why we shouldn't try to 'be like China' just because they build/open something that is really big. Congqing is one of 4 nationally administered cities and part of the government's 'push west' so hundreds of millions/billions of investment has been made to make it look pretty/grow. If the US government by policy decided to invest a couple trillion dollars into making Amarillo a population/transit/industrial/tech industry hq this could be done, with rail and everything, but...why?

If I had to make a ten dollar bet whether the 'Chongqing East Railway Station' is busy, profitable, and safe in 10 or 20 years, I'd definitely take the under, in any case.

As it stands now, if you divide continental US in half (live would be just west of San Antonio) 80% of our population to the east with only 20% to the west. Too much federal land in the west has kept that population lower. So where in theory there is the land available to easily accommodate such a project, there is not the population center to support it.


Water availability is a bigger hindrance than federal land ownership.
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TexAgs91 said:

DallasAg 94 said:

Rail is completely useless in America where you have freedoms.

I should have been more clear for those who are triggered by mass transit. I'm talking about the scale of the construction project in the time that it took to build it. Not what they actually built.

And yes... long live cars!
you have proof they actually built it? I've been to china, albeit back in 2011, lots of billboards showing the future, with the present stuck in the past.
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Water availability is a bigger hindrance than federal land ownership.

Hadn't considered that. There are few deep aquifers under that federal land? IDK.
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Keller6Ag91 said:

TexAgs91 said:

China built this. But could America? I know we can build this, but with all the regulations, could we build this?




Truly amazing how monolithic the Communist Chinese Government can be in getting a major project done. All the expense of freedom, privacy, and personal sanctity.

And culling the costs associated with the elderly population by releasing a virus.

Wtf happened to the worker at 2:09?


How do you blast the side of a mountain by hanging Wyle E Coyote style bunches of dynamite like Christmas tree ornaments from the side of the mountain 1:42?

So why did Musk post this AI slop?

If I had to bet if this was real or not I would go with not or not built at all the way the video describes.
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txaggie_08 said:

Is that entire video AI? At one point around the 2:05 mark a guy sinks into the water and disappears.

that is what makes it realistic, there were probably more than one death just like that
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2026NCAggies said:

txaggie_08 said:

Is that entire video AI? At one point around the 2:05 mark a guy sinks into the water and disappears.

that is what makes it realistic, there were probably more than one death just like that

Yeah but nobody even blinked. Even the guy sinking just kept going on with his work.

later on in the video a lady is walking then just fades and disappears

After that you have workers and administrators moving in complete unison and with the same face and body
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Fightin_Aggie said:

2026NCAggies said:

txaggie_08 said:

Is that entire video AI? At one point around the 2:05 mark a guy sinks into the water and disappears.

that is what makes it realistic, there were probably more than one death just like that

Yeah but nobody even blinked. Even the guy sinking just kept going on with his work.

later on in the video a lady is walking then just fades and disappears

After that you have workers and administrators moving in complete unison and with the same face and body

To be fair, this is China
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Kashchei said:

China is the land of shortcuts and facades. I bet the construction is super shoddy. The roof will probably cave in when it rains.


That reminded me of when the built buildings in a few weeks or days when covid hit and everyone around the world was impressed... then reality hit those buildings.
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DrEvazanPhD said:

Slavery gets **** done, apparently


This.

See: Pyramids.
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BusterAg said:

Can someone specify what we are talking about since I don't click twitter?
More of a blue sky fan?
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Rome and Naples are under 150 miles apart. I picked a random day and chose the cheapest 2nd class ticket. It's $100 for two people. That's one way. So $200 if you want to get home.

Dallas to Houston is around 100 miles more. Comparable pricing would be $167. Family of four? $335. Round trip..$670.

Cheaper than flying, sure. But I can drive a family of four for 1/5 to 1/6 the cost. It's not great.

And I've ridden all those European trains. It is very nice for someone that doesn't have a car or other way around, such as tourists. But they also have very good transportation around the cities to get around once you're there.

Bullet trains would only work in very specific situations on the us and would probably still need to be subsidized. The California and Texas trains are pipe dreams and would never get the ridership to be profitable so would need heavy subsidies to remain in business. I'm fine with not following their lead.
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Kashchei said:

China is the land of shortcuts and facades. I bet the construction is super shoddy. The roof will probably cave in when it rains.

Kind of like a Perry home?
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Muddyfeet said:

Logos Stick said:

Cheap EVs with self driving. Just build more highways instead.


Most people on here think they are better drivers than 90% of the population, hate added tech on vehicles and hate the idea of driving anything without a V8. So yeah, I can see your idea taking off.

I'm definitely a better driver than 92% of the population.
And last night, I drove home from the airport in a car with 4 more cylinders than your average V8.
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Is that building even real? Everything in that video was AI. Even the reporter
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MaxPower said:

BusterAg said:

Can someone specify what we are talking about since I don't click twitter?
More of a blue sky fan?


I am. But sometimes, he hides away for so long, it makes me wonder where we went wrong.
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FriendlyAg said:

Is that building even real? Everything in that video was AI. Even the reporter


At this point, im starting to wonder if 91 is AI.
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TexAgs91 said:

China built this. But could America? I know we can build this, but with all the regulations, could we build this?




"China Built this !!!"

They also built that really tall record sized bridge spanning a mountianous area that lasted 48 hours before collapsing. This was just a year or two ago.

Now those chumps wnat to brag again, Already.

Bawahahahaha
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Hell no! We suck compared to china. No funding, road blocks at every turn. China is going to run this world. I wish we could compete with that but our bureaucracy and lack of funding for infrastructure doesn't allow us to compete with that.
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BusterAg said:

Can someone specify what we are talking about since I don't click twitter?


Click a picture and Google search it. Plug it into AI that is your favorite.

Or just click the link.

Weird that you expect someone else to do that for you
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Didn't read all the thread, but a lot of that video is ai generated. At one point a human disappears into concrete
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Is it real? So much of that video is AI, it's hard to tell
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The video is AI. Real video available.

Kinda weird. Serves way fewer passengers and way less trains than (say) grand central. This looks like a Chinese version of simcity with unlimited funds. Build the transit and logistics first and fill in the people (NPCs lol) after.
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Why would we? Cut a mountain flat? No thanks. I'd rather watch other countries destroy their place and keep ours. Thanks though.
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CrackerJackAg said:

BusterAg said:

Can someone specify what we are talking about since I don't click twitter?


Click a picture and Google search it. Plug it into AI that is your favorite.

Or just click the link.

Weird that you expect someone else to do that for you


Yeah, so here is my response to that:

 
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