MelvinUdall said:

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Someone walked outside it is hotter, that is solid data.

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agent-maroon said:

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Determining historical CO2 levels from tree rings and gasses trapped in Antarctic ice? Holy confounding variables Batman! Even then the "data" is a consensus among researchers with a monetary interest in the results. No climate issues = no grant money so of course they're all going to support each others findings no matter how flawed they might be.

IT'S A SCAM!

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Aggie Joe 93 said:

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The home I grew up in also shrank! The driveway is at least 10 times as short. Yet the trees in the front yard are 10 times as big.

This kind of analysis proves aliens, man made climate change, and all kinds of things.

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smucket said:

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Malibu said:

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bobbranco said:

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Malibu said:

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A more nuanced take:
Burning fossil fuels at the scale we are doing so is releasing quantities of CO2 at the scale massively more than the Earth would naturally release on its own. CO2 is not the one magical molecule we can put in the atmosphere at whatever quantities we want with no second and third order consequences. Current average temperatures are being exceeded year over year for recorded history, and declaring the hypothesis that human caused CO2 additions in the atmosphere has something to do with that, as models and science predicted it would, shouldn't cause thoughtful people to erupt in a deep belly laughter for being absurd liberal propaganda.

Yes, someone selling a fatalistic picture of Florida being underwater in 10 years was selling something or trying to increase their personal power. Sensationalism and doom attracts more eyeballs than a more balanced approach. We should be skeptical of worst case scenario claims.

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The emboldened is based on falsified data.

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I go outside and I've been on the planet awhile. It's hotter here than it was when I was a kid. Maybe I'm in on the conspiracy too.

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Worst summer I can remember in Dallas- 1980
Worst winter I can remember in Dallas - 1990
Worst winter storm season in Dallas - I think it was 2010 or 2011. Only time I can remember in my life when snow stayed on the ground for almost a week

We all have our anecdotes

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Malibu said:

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MelvinUdall said:

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Someone walked outside it is hotter, that is solid data.

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I get the impulse to mock and collect stars, but this is a strawman.

Here's NASA's data, which I'm going to easily predict is going be either dismissed as junk science from politically motivated hacks or confounding for who knows what happens.

https://science.nasa.gov/earth/explore/earth-indicators/global-temperature/

That my actual lived experience matches what the eggheads at NASA have measured was the point of my post, not that my personal comfort is a reliable barometer of climate change.

Again, I'll come back to CO2 being a magic molecule that we can pump as much as we want into the atmosphere with absolutely no secondary or tertiary consequences seems to require a level of faith or motivated reasoning as believing Florida will be underwater by 2030.

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Malibu said:

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I go outside and I've been on the planet awhile. It's hotter here than it was when I was a kid. Maybe I'm in on the conspiracy too.

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Malibu said:

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bobbranco said:

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Malibu said:

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A more nuanced take:
Burning fossil fuels at the scale we are doing so is releasing quantities of CO2 at the scale massively more than the Earth would naturally release on its own. CO2 is not the one magical molecule we can put in the atmosphere at whatever quantities we want with no second and third order consequences. Current average temperatures are being exceeded year over year for recorded history, and declaring the hypothesis that human caused CO2 additions in the atmosphere has something to do with that, as models and science predicted it would, shouldn't cause thoughtful people to erupt in a deep belly laughter for being absurd liberal propaganda.

Yes, someone selling a fatalistic picture of Florida being underwater in 10 years was selling something or trying to increase their personal power. Sensationalism and doom attracts more eyeballs than a more balanced approach. We should be skeptical of worst case scenario claims.

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The emboldened is based on falsified data.

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I go outside and I've been on the planet awhile. It's hotter here than it was when I was a kid. Maybe I'm in on the conspiracy too.

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LarryLayman said:

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Malibu said:

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bobbranco said:

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Malibu said:

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A more nuanced take:
Burning fossil fuels at the scale we are doing so is releasing quantities of CO2 at the scale massively more than the Earth would naturally release on its own. CO2 is not the one magical molecule we can put in the atmosphere at whatever quantities we want with no second and third order consequences. Current average temperatures are being exceeded year over year for recorded history, and declaring the hypothesis that human caused CO2 additions in the atmosphere has something to do with that, as models and science predicted it would, shouldn't cause thoughtful people to erupt in a deep belly laughter for being absurd liberal propaganda.

Yes, someone selling a fatalistic picture of Florida being underwater in 10 years was selling something or trying to increase their personal power. Sensationalism and doom attracts more eyeballs than a more balanced approach. We should be skeptical of worst case scenario claims.

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The emboldened is based on falsified data.

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I go outside and I've been on the planet awhile. It's hotter here than it was when I was a kid. Maybe I'm in on the conspiracy too.

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In the entire history of the world has it ever been hotter than it is now? The answer is yes, and it has also been cooler. Climate has always changed over time. If you are older , yes, you might notice a small difference within your lifetime.

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Malibu said:

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YouBet said:

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Malibu said:

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A more nuanced take:
Burning fossil fuels at the scale we are doing so is releasing quantities of CO2 at the scale massively more than the Earth would naturally release on its own. CO2 is not the one magical molecule we can put in the atmosphere at whatever quantities we want with no second and third order consequences. Current average temperatures are being exceeded year over year for recorded history, and declaring the hypothesis that human caused CO2 additions in the atmosphere has something to do with that, as models and science predicted it would, shouldn't cause thoughtful people to erupt in a deep belly laughter for being absurd liberal propaganda.

Yes, someone selling a fatalistic picture of Florida being underwater in 10 years was selling something or trying to increase their personal power. Sensationalism and doom attracts more eyeballs than a more balanced approach. We should be skeptical of worst case scenario claims.

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I just don't care about CO2. Besides, it's already solved if everyone believes China's latest investment in green energy. That would just leave India as the world's biggest polluter. We bent our emissions downwards 20 years ago. We are good here.

Regardless, no amount of wealth redistribution to the UN is going to solve such a nebulous problem as CO2. It's a total boogeyman.

What we should be focused on is water access. Arbitrary temperature goals in the Paris Accords mean nothing.

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This argument seems to be conceding the main point of climate activists, which is that through massive state action to reinvest in green and renewable technologies, we could change the trajectory of CO2 output and worst case global warming scenarios. That is probably happening, and it's a good thing, but happened because China is smart enough to know that oil barges traveling through the Straight of Malacca is it's biggest strategic risk and needed energy independence via renewables.

CO2 doesn't care about you either, nor does it care about wealth distribution and the UN. Molecules are indifferent to ideology. Its occurrence will have atmospheric consequences independent of how deeply felt concerns are or ignored. Yes, we should focus on water access, but declaring AGW as a giant hoax we can now safely ignore seems irresponsible too.

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Jbob04 said:

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Climate change is alive and well on KBTX with all Aggie meteorologists. Constantly spewing this nonsense. It's embarrassing that they are Aggies

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Malibu said:

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I go outside and I've been on the planet awhile. It's hotter here than it was when I was a kid. Maybe I'm in on the conspiracy too.

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I go outside too and I've been on the planet awhile. Neither of us can tell the difference between 98 degrees temp and 96 degrees,

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VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

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Jbob04 said:

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Climate change is alive and well on KBTX with all Aggie meteorologists. Constantly spewing this nonsense. It's embarrassing that they are Aggies

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Plenty of sheep wear the ring.

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Liberals by and large were a little more educated, a little more upwardly mobile, and frankly a little faster & funnier. They embraced snark & sarcasm much quicker and with much more success. And their condescension & arrogance became a feature rather than a bug.

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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Why then are they admitting it now? They've never been ashamed before to push out garbage that is easily proven wrong. What could the motivation be?
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MelvinUdall said:

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Malibu said:

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bobbranco said:

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Malibu said:

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A more nuanced take:
Burning fossil fuels at the scale we are doing so is releasing quantities of CO2 at the scale massively more than the Earth would naturally release on its own. CO2 is not the one magical molecule we can put in the atmosphere at whatever quantities we want with no second and third order consequences. Current average temperatures are being exceeded year over year for recorded history, and declaring the hypothesis that human caused CO2 additions in the atmosphere has something to do with that, as models and science predicted it would, shouldn't cause thoughtful people to erupt in a deep belly laughter for being absurd liberal propaganda.

Yes, someone selling a fatalistic picture of Florida being underwater in 10 years was selling something or trying to increase their personal power. Sensationalism and doom attracts more eyeballs than a more balanced approach. We should be skeptical of worst case scenario claims.

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The emboldened is based on falsified data.

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I go outside and I've been on the planet awhile. It's hotter here than it was when I was a kid. Maybe I'm in on the conspiracy too.

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You can feel 1-2 degrees that dramatically? My guess is that you are older, and when you're older you feel changes of temp more so than when you were younger…I definitely feel the cold more than when I was a kid running around outside with a tshirt on and jeans…

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YouBet said:

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Malibu said:

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YouBet said:

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Malibu said:

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A more nuanced take:
Burning fossil fuels at the scale we are doing so is releasing quantities of CO2 at the scale massively more than the Earth would naturally release on its own. CO2 is not the one magical molecule we can put in the atmosphere at whatever quantities we want with no second and third order consequences. Current average temperatures are being exceeded year over year for recorded history, and declaring the hypothesis that human caused CO2 additions in the atmosphere has something to do with that, as models and science predicted it would, shouldn't cause thoughtful people to erupt in a deep belly laughter for being absurd liberal propaganda.

Yes, someone selling a fatalistic picture of Florida being underwater in 10 years was selling something or trying to increase their personal power. Sensationalism and doom attracts more eyeballs than a more balanced approach. We should be skeptical of worst case scenario claims.

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I just don't care about CO2. Besides, it's already solved if everyone believes China's latest investment in green energy. That would just leave India as the world's biggest polluter. We bent our emissions downwards 20 years ago. We are good here.

Regardless, no amount of wealth redistribution to the UN is going to solve such a nebulous problem as CO2. It's a total boogeyman.

What we should be focused on is water access. Arbitrary temperature goals in the Paris Accords mean nothing.

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This argument seems to be conceding the main point of climate activists, which is that through massive state action to reinvest in green and renewable technologies, we could change the trajectory of CO2 output and worst case global warming scenarios. That is probably happening, and it's a good thing, but happened because China is smart enough to know that oil barges traveling through the Straight of Malacca is it's biggest strategic risk and needed energy independence via renewables.

CO2 doesn't care about you either, nor does it care about wealth distribution and the UN. Molecules are indifferent to ideology. Its occurrence will have atmospheric consequences independent of how deeply felt concerns are or ignored. Yes, we should focus on water access, but declaring AGW as a giant hoax we can now safely ignore seems irresponsible too.

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Tell that to the left whose solution for solving this is Marxism. When the green movement can no longer be referred to as "watermelons" then maybe we can talk. Basing this entire movement on an arbitrary temperature increase in the Paris Accords is laughable.

I'm fairly pro-environment in reality; I'm just not going to concede anything to the left while they let Marxism rule the topic. Water is an issue right now; hitting some temperature goal years from now is make believe stuff. It's completely arbitrary based on a combination of pseudo science and lies. We had the hockey puck lie, the 97% of scientists lie, multiple faked studies, the carbon credit scam in South America (this one was awesome btw), and now this RCP 8.5 propaganda.

Let's focus on real world stuff like water and how we solve that and quit with the fake temp talks.

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Malibu said:

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Your framing of the argument seems a bit off to me. If global warming, therefore Marxism and since Marxism is a bad idea, therefore we should ignore any potential global warming. The concentration of CO2 and its environmental impacts are independent of any policy solution, it's just a physics problem. I think we should start there. I also think dismissing a few degrees change as no big deal is probably unwise in a system as complex as global climate.

I am with you with a 'and therefore, tax oil companies and immediately switch to unreliable solutions' is peak idiocy and will do more to make the problem worse than better, but a sober look at a nuclear future and a grid with a renewable mix is not liberal alarmism and lunacy.

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Malibu said:

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YouBet said:

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Malibu said:

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bobbranco said:

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Malibu said:

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A more nuanced take:
Burning fossil fuels at the scale we are doing so is releasing quantities of CO2 at the scale massively more than the Earth would naturally release on its own. CO2 is not the one magical molecule we can put in the atmosphere at whatever quantities we want with no second and third order consequences. Current average temperatures are being exceeded year over year for recorded history, and declaring the hypothesis that human caused CO2 additions in the atmosphere has something to do with that, as models and science predicted it would, shouldn't cause thoughtful people to erupt in a deep belly laughter for being absurd liberal propaganda.

Yes, someone selling a fatalistic picture of Florida being underwater in 10 years was selling something or trying to increase their personal power. Sensationalism and doom attracts more eyeballs than a more balanced approach. We should be skeptical of worst case scenario claims.

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The emboldened is based on falsified data.

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I go outside and I've been on the planet awhile. It's hotter here than it was when I was a kid. Maybe I'm in on the conspiracy too.

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This comment is about as data driven as the climate movement.

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I can't be the only person on in the US that is seeing repeatedly higher temperatures in my locale than when I was kid and noticing that the AC is on more and being outside in the summer sucks more. Global temperatures = giant hoax. My lived experience = pshhh, you're imaging things. ETA: TexAgs courtesy, will be offline for awhile. Happy Sunday.

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