Canals. Going to build canals in the Big Easy. New Orleans is going to become the next Venice. The out of work taxi drivers due to self driving cars will become gondoliers

The only reason this is all coming out is the folks that pushed this have made their money - now that AI requires massive amounts of energy, the Bill Gates of the world have dropped it like a hot potato to support their next project. It was , is and always been about money and stealing our tax dollars

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Reality invalidates catastrophic anthropogenic climate change.

The hard data shows the world is growing greener, crop yields are increasing, death and damage do to severe weather is decreasing. The world has never been a more comfortable place for humans to live and we have fossil fuels to thank for a large portion of that.

8.5 was insane fear mongering, but even most of the milder warming projections are bogus.

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No real comparison between Houston and New Orleans imo. Houston is 50-ish ft above sea level . Some of New Orleans is below sea level and the highest spots are only 10ish ft above sea level. No Matter how much rain it gets Houston will drain to the Gulf eventually via gravity . High water levels in the Ms River and Lake Ponchartrain drain into New Orleans if the levees are breached and it has to be pumped out.

Weird feeling driving next to the river levee around New Orleans and seeing the top of ships towering over the levee.

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Silent For Too Long said:

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Reality invalidates catastrophic anthropogenic climate change.

The hard data shows the world is growing greener, crop yields are increasing, death and damage do to severe weather is decreasing. The world has never been a more comfortable place for humans to live and we have fossil fuels to thank for a large portion of that.

8.5 was insane fear mongering, but even most of the milder warming projections are bogus.

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This is a shared planet. Yes, humans can adapt fast to environmental challenges, but wildlife and natural ecosystems don't have that same luxury. Many species are already dealing with habitat loss, and a warming climate adds another layer of stress.

I agree that a lot of climate messaging has been exaggerated, but pointing to human prosperity alone doesn't tell the whole story. The decline in biodiversity and the loss of healthy ecosystems are real issues, and I think that's unfortunate regardless of your views on climate policy.

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65 million years ago the planet was hit by a giant meteor and the bio diversified right around it.

Life will be just fine. I'm not saying you shouldn't be good steward with whatever little piece of earth you are lucky enough to have, but if you are losing sleep at night worrying about the global climate you are wasting your energy.

Humans will continue to prosper. Some of nature will prosper, some of it won't, just as it has done for billions of years.

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Silent For Too Long said:

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Reality invalidates catastrophic anthropogenic climate change.

The hard data shows the world is growing greener, crop yields are increasing, death and damage do to severe weather is decreasing. The world has never been a more comfortable place for humans to live and we have fossil fuels to thank for a large portion of that.

8.5 was insane fear mongering, but even most of the milder warming projections are bogus.

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AI needs to learn how to spell....

agclassof2012 said:

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Silent For Too Long said:

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Reality invalidates catastrophic anthropogenic climate change.

The hard data shows the world is growing greener, crop yields are increasing, death and damage do to severe weather is decreasing. The world has never been a more comfortable place for humans to live and we have fossil fuels to thank for a large portion of that.

8.5 was insane fear mongering, but even most of the milder warming projections are bogus.

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This is a shared planet. Yes, humans can adapt fast to environmental challenges, but wildlife and natural ecosystems don't have that same luxury. Many species are already dealing with habitat loss, and a warming climate adds another layer of stress.

I agree that a lot of climate messaging has been exaggerated, but pointing to human prosperity alone doesn't tell the whole story. The decline in biodiversity and the loss of healthy ecosystems are real issues, and I think that's unfortunate regardless of your views on climate policy.

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Can you give some examples of these other species that are suffering so much? The only honest reporting I've seen is that the world is generally getting greener because of increased CO2, which benefits all plant and animal life.

I prioritize humans over all other species so assuming you can find an example I'll also need a reason to care even if what you say is true. And if you can get past all that I'll need some proof that humans have anything to do with Earths climate at all, which the whole point of this thread has been that the answer is no.

I'm in the camp that this is a non-issue and never should have been. But leftists gonna leftist so they try to make all of us as miserable as possible.

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Many of my friends work for Fish & Wildlife, the Forest Service, wildland fire crews, and conservation organizations. There is a broad consensus among these communities that the rate of warming observed over the past several decades is already affecting ecosystems in noticeable ways and in many instances negatively impacting.

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First, I don't believe that. Second, "consensus" is now an irrelevant cudgel used to push an agenda. Third, those people are not qualified to make a decision and draw "consensus" about climate change based on an extremely tiny time frame, e.g. 30 years. Fourth, no one has proven the change is directly related to the additional PPM CO2 produced by the use of fossil fuels.

The planet has been much warmer during human occupation and it was not catastrophic. In fact, arguably the greatest empire known to man, Rome, was created during one of those much warmer periods.

I guess you forgot about that 97% of scientists agree on this, bro.

NINETY SEVEN PERCENT.

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Many of my friends work for Fish & Wildlife, the Forest Service, wildland fire crews, and conservation organizations. There is a broad consensus among these communities that the rate of warming observed over the past several decades is already affecting ecosystems in noticeable ways and in many instances negatively impacting.

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First, I don't believe that. Second, "consensus" is now an irrelevant cudgel used to push an agenda. Third, those people are not qualified to make a decision and draw "consensus" about climate change based on an extremely tiny time frame, e.g. 30 years. Fourth, no one has proven the change is directly related to the additional PPM CO2 produced by the use of fossil fuels.

The planet has been much warmer during human occupation and it was not catastrophic. In fact, arguably the greatest empire known to man, Rome, was created during one of those much warmer periods.

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Logo: You're 100% correct; perform a simple Google search for an article posted within the last 3 days that indicates biologists have confirmed something like 40 new species- in the past year(!) & even identified 5 or 6 species as still living despite being written off 20 years ago, but then look at the historical trend of the number of species that die off each decade (but do they truly "die" or merely 'adapt' & become a "new" species??).

Besides the Dodo, carrier pigeon, & the Tasmanian Tiger (& others I can't recall at the moment) all of which died off 1 or 2 centuries ago because of direct human predation but BEFORE Climate Change BS, it's fairly apparent Mother Nature has a way of ensuring that life continues. Hell, my "PRIMARY ARCH NEMESIS" here in the Hill Country: NUT GRASS, survives my poisoning, burning with a veritable flame thrower, & other similar efforts to no avail!!

BTW "Malibu": How old are you? I recall one summer in the early 1980s (when we were still supposed to die from the next Ice Age but BEFORE the "Acid Rain" hysteria), I walked underneath boat docks & piers on Lake Cherokee outside Longview, TX (BEFORE they had begun creating a golf course there; the No. 3 green was directly across my grandparents' place at NI6) during the summer break. The water retreated so bad, & it was over 100 degrees for so long, that the designated "boat channel" was inoperable. My older brother & I dedicated 2 days to walking almost the entirety of the North side of the lake locating lures stuck to stumps, return trolling motors, a couple of shotguns, tools, & other valuables folks had dropped into the water near their boat houses &/or near the duck blinds towards the "Open Water", which was only waist deep. It was THAT summer that killed the 70s "Ice Age Doom Narrative"; so, forgive me if I don't feel sorry for all of you that INSISTED on Global Warming, I mean Climate Change!! Y'all now talk with a bit more humility & seek flexibility for 'common ground', perhaps because y'all foolishly believed the BS & screamed like maniacs at non-believers, but today, y'all realize you look moronic ever since the rug was pulled out from under y'all!!

Lastly, most unnatural temp changes & extreme weather events are NOW capable of being determined whether such was 100% attributable to the direct actions of "man" rather than decades-long indirect consequences of mankind; BUT, when it's done, it's for different & often nefarious purposes by various countries/ agencies, so no attention is being given to it because it's a part of a bigger enterprise. Maybe "Climate Change" was the 'cover story' for such operations, & exploiting the "useful idiots" who took the bait was an added bonus.

Doubt me? Then explain how Iran went from ZERO water because of no rain, threatening to force a mandatory evacuation of Tehran, to suddenly rain after certain tactical missile strikes. Strange coincidence, don't you think?

Are there any reasonable minds that don't think the globe changes?

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A more nuanced take:
Burning fossil fuels at the scale we are doing so is releasing quantities of CO2 at the scale massively more than the Earth would naturally release on its own. CO2 is not the one magical molecule we can put in the atmosphere at whatever quantities we want with no second and third order consequences. Current average temperatures are being exceeded year over year for recorded history, and declaring the hypothesis that human caused CO2 additions in the atmosphere has something to do with that, as models and science predicted it would, shouldn't cause thoughtful people to erupt in a deep belly laughter for being absurd liberal propaganda.

Yes, someone selling a fatalistic picture of Florida being underwater in 10 years was selling something or trying to increase their personal power. Sensationalism and doom attracts more eyeballs than a more balanced approach. We should be skeptical of worst case scenario claims.

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The emboldened is based on falsified data.

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I go outside and I've been on the planet awhile. It's hotter here than it was when I was a kid. Maybe I'm in on the conspiracy too.

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Did you live in a large city when you were young and/or do you now?

Doh!

For some reason I overlooked your username.

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I go outside and I've been on the planet awhile. It's hotter here than it was when I was a kid. Maybe I'm in on the conspiracy too.

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you feel more now than when were kids because now we spend so much more of our time in climate controlled situations. our bodies are acclimatizing to a narrow temperature band.

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Are there any reasonable minds that don't think the globe changes?

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globules

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Malibu said:

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I go outside and I've been on the planet awhile. It's hotter here than it was when I was a kid. Maybe I'm in on the conspiracy too.

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you feel more now than when were kids because now we spend so much more of our time in climate controlled situations. our bodies are acclimatizing to a narrow temperature band.

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