The Christian vote

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Self identified

I've never been asked, either, but that's probably because I don't participate in any polls
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Most humans mold their religious views around a multifactorial worldview. While circumstance of birth usually decides what general theology a person will follow, the specific subset of beliefs within a given religious framework that they espouse are shaped by a multitude of factors many/most of which are not inherently linked to their religion. Political beliefs are often shoehorned into their religious belief because they already believed them for other reasons.

So when people ask "why would a person who believes in X religion vote for Y" or "why wouldnt a relifious person vote", it really just represents a fundamental misunderstanding between the connection between religious and political beliefs for most people. Very, very few people operate within the "I believe in X religion, therefore I must endorse Y politically no matter what" framework. Many people THINK they do, but they really dont.
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I am a Christian conservative. I have been involved in the political scene and voted almost the entirety of my eligible life. At some point, you realize it doesn't matter. Look at the Texas House and Burrows for the prime example. Your vote really doesn't matter, as it's all performative theatre.

With all his warts, the only true fighter in my forty-six years, is Trump, and look what they are putting him through. I don't fully agree with him, but he's trying to change things and the swamp is showing what happens when you go against them. Most people will win, take the money and do as told. Why waste your time voting for that crap?
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Phatbob said:

Probably because Christ was not political. It's pretty much impossible to justify voting for a Democrat as a Christian, but voting for anyone else is not a ton easier to justify.


Did the Roman empire have elections?

And to answer your original question, I think most pastors are too passive from the pulpit so we end up with Reverend Talarico sharing "the gospel" to a bunch of people who assume he's telling them the truth because he went to a "seminary" in Austin.
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Baseball Is Life said:

I am a Christian conservative. I have been involved in the political scene and voted almost the entirety of my eligible life. At some point, you realize it doesn't matter. Look at the Texas House and Burrows for the prime example. Your vote really doesn't matter, as it's all performative theatre.

With all his warts, the only true fighter in my forty-six years, is Trump, and look what they are putting him through. I don't fully agree with him, but he's trying to change things and the swamp is showing what happens when you go against them. Most people will win, take the money and do as told. Why waste your time voting for that crap?


The state and local level is where it really matters though
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Logos Stick said:

Perhaps they believe that God's will will be done regardless.

They need to wake up and realize that yes, in the very end God's will will be done, but a lot of very bad stuff can happen between now and then. It was not God's will that the Israelites marched around the same mountain for 40 years on a journey that takes 11 days!

It was His will to purge the Egyptian slave mentality, allow the unbelieving generation to die off and the younger more faithful generation to inherit the promised land. It also taught the younger generation to depend on Him.

It would be like expecting every single RINO to wake up one Tuesday to realize that they are pushing this country in the wrong direction. It is not happening. Best we can hope for is that they all die off or get primaried quickly and the new generation is more faithful to the conservative movement. The "In Name Only" is the problem. Sure, those Egyptian slaves were Israelis, but In Name Only. They didn't have the culture or the belief required to inherit God's land. He had to sacrifice the McCains and Romneys to get to the next generation.
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Enviroag02 said:

God established the family, the church, and the state in order to work together for His purpose. If stepping up to be the leader of a family is a man's purpose then not doing it is a sin. If stepping up to lead in a church is the purpose of church people, then not doing that is a sin. If people being active and participating in the government is our purpose for that 1/3rd of what he established, then not doing that is a sin. Not voting is a sin.

There's certainly healthy conversation to be had about what the role of believers is as citizens of a Democratic government. I certainly don't think there's a Biblical case against engaging, but at the same time there's certainly no Biblical imperative for believers to build civic government in any specific image. The instruction is all on Church governance, which is assumed to be headed and populated by regenerate believers, not on civic governance, which will never be constructed as such on this side of Christ's return.

Shepherding the state is not in the Great Commission (nor is starting families, but that's probably a thread of its own).
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Enviroag02 said:

God established the family, the church, and the state in order to work together for His purpose. If stepping up to be the leader of a family is a man's purpose then not doing it is a sin. If stepping up to lead in a church is the purpose of church people, then not doing that is a sin. If people being active and participating in the government is our purpose for that 1/3rd of what he established, then not doing that is a sin. Not voting is a sin.

What is and is not a sin "aka missing the mark" is clearly defined going back thousands of years, check the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Nothing you listed is a sin
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