Statistics have shown that Christians in this country vote at an anemic level, and evangelistic Christians at an even lower level.

As a Christian, I simply can't identify a good reason as to why this might be.

It seems that voting and Christian conviction exist in an inverse relationship.

I know that if Christians, as a voting block, would show up at the voting booth in significant numbers, we would have a MUCH different looking country, politically, and oddly, it would look much more like a country that Christians claim they want.

So Christians can have a government that aligns with our values, yet won't get off the couch for long enough to make it happen.

I'd love to know the reason this trend persists so that maybe we can counter it and change the face of our rapidly degenerating country.

Thoughts?

Perhaps they believe that God's will will be done regardless.

They need to wake up and realize that yes, in the very end God's will will be done, but a lot of very bad stuff can happen between now and then. It was not God's will that the Israelites marched around the same mountain for 40 years on a journey that takes 11 days!

Phatbob said:

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Probably because Christ was not political. It's pretty much impossible to justify voting for a Democrat as a Christian, but voting for anyone else is not a ton easier to justify.

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True, but voting for righteousness on party planks should never be an issue.

Abortion and transgender idealogy make this a pretty easy decision for Christians, regardless of the sinful nature and actions of the R individuals running.

njohn87 said:

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Would you mind sharing a source for that big hoss?

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no idea on his source, but I found this...

about 60% who normally vote per this study.

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Recent trends, however, suggest that people of faith can be motivated to vote. For example, about 6 in every 10 churchgoing Christians said they vote in every election. Only 3 in 10 said they vote inconsistently. Fewer than 1 in 10 said they are not registered, or that their voting pattern varies according to the importance of the election or how convenient it is to vote in that cycle.

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https://firstliberty.org/news/are-people-of-faith-actually-voting/

"Christian" is a pretty loose term. Plenty of people call themselves Christian (look at Talafreako) who are anything but.

And "Evangelical" has been *******ized to often refer to anyone who claims to be a Protestant regardless of denomination, when it used to only apply to very specific ones.

That said, as for why some Christians don't vote (and let's limit that to those that actually follow Christ; not just give him lip service), it is probably because they are expecting perfection from the candidates and can't vote for anyone who isn't basically one step down from Christ, at worst. They'd vote in an instant for Billy Graham or Pat Robertson (if they were alive obviously), but won't vote for someone who they see as too much of a sinner.

Many Christians often forget, or can't see past the plank in their own eye, that we're all sinners and sin is sin. Whether someone sins 10 times a day, or 10,000; we're all just as dirty in God's eyes and in need of His forgiveness, which thankfully Christ paid for 2000 years ago. God will forgive the homosexual as quickly as he will forgive the person who simply used a bad word or had an evil thought; as long as both ask and are sincere in their repentance.

Phatbob said:

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Probably because Christ was not political. It's pretty much impossible to justify voting for a Democrat as a Christian, but voting for anyone else is not a ton easier to justify.

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It is way easier for me. One side is basically Soddom and Gomorrah levels of depravity and degeneracy at this point. Not saying we don't have sleazebags within the GOP ranks, just that we don't openly advocate for all types of evil and deviancy under the sun, wage all out war on the nuclear family, and push sexual deviancy and gender confusion to minors and children. Just look at how dems treat violent criminals too. Anyone who votes D has unthinkable amount of blood, pain and suffering on their hands. MF'ers couldn't even stand to acknowledge a young boy dying of brain cancer, or the surviving grieving parents of young girls who were raped and murdered by dangerous illegals that their Dear Leader welcomed in.

Absolutely disgusting.

Hopping in the truck right now and will be driving for the next few hours, so I can't really go searching for the stats right now, but I do know that over the years this has been reported in numerous places and discussed quite a bit in print and on television.

njohn87 said:

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Would you mind sharing a source for that big hoss?

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I believe the majority of Catholics voted Democrat until recently.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/party-identification-among-religious-groups-and-religiously-unaffiliated-voters/

Love God, Love your neighbor. Those are apolitical. I can't recall the last time I have been able to say "there is a politician who is a righteous person."

I think it is very reasonable and defensible to make a transactional vote for a candidate like Trump who has a lot of defects and deficiencies as a leader and as a human being, but who is running against an unacceptable alternative and has proven that he can deliver things that I believe are important, like the overturn of Roe. I have no spiritual/ethical qualm with those who willing to make that bargain. I've made that bargain myself at least one of the three times he was on the ballot.

What I don't quite understand is why some feel the need to gas themselves up and defend everything he ever does and says. I feel like we've seen that from some prominent pastors and figures in the Evangelical movement, and I think it's really harmed our witness. I think a vote for Trump, or similar figures, can be prudent, but I think we just need to remain clear-eyed about who we're choosing to go to bed with and why, and careful to respect the conscience of those who have more trepidation about doing so.

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njohn87 said:

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Would you mind sharing a source for that big hoss?

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no idea on his source, but I found this...

about 60% who normally vote per this study.

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Recent trends, however, suggest that people of faith can be motivated to vote. For example, about 6 in every 10 churchgoing Christians said they vote in every election. Only 3 in 10 said they vote inconsistently. Fewer than 1 in 10 said they are not registered, or that their voting pattern varies according to the importance of the election or how convenient it is to vote in that cycle.

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https://firstliberty.org/news/are-people-of-faith-actually-voting/

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So, basically, average.

I know very, very few people who will defend everything Trump does and who see him as a moral example to pattern your life after. Republicans are the least bad option. That's it.

And in this race, Talarico is a really, really bad option.

Vox Clamantis said:

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The Republican party is the only party that a Christian who has thought through the process can morally vote for.

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I haven't seen every printed version of the Bible, but none of the ones I've seen say thieving, lying, protecting the identities of pedos, hating others, adultery, bearing false witness, greed, extravagant wealth, acting like Pharisees, and pushing false teachings are okay. Those traits of the modern GOP's elected officials and and its uber-wealthy privileged ruling class of funders are well documented.

DeschutesAg said:

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Vox Clamantis said:

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The Republican party is the only party that a Christian who has thought through the process can morally vote for.

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I haven't seen every printed version of the Bible, but none of the ones I've seen say thieving, lying, protecting the identities of pedos, hating others, adultery, bearing false witness, greed, extravagant wealth, acting like Pharisees, and pushing false teachings are okay. Those traits of the modern GOP's elected officials and and its uber-wealthy privileged ruling class of funders are well documented.

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I see you did not paste the 2nd half of my post.

DeschutesAg said:

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Vox Clamantis said:

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The Republican party is the only party that a Christian who has thought through the process can morally vote for.

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I haven't seen every printed version of the Bible, but none of the ones I've seen say thieving, lying, protecting the identities of pedos, hating others, adultery, bearing false witness, greed, extravagant wealth, acting like Pharisees, and pushing false teachings are okay. Those traits of the modern GOP's elected officials and and its uber-wealthy privileged ruling class of funders are well documented.

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I hate to tell you this, but a 30 second TikTok video of some random person on his couch making accusations does not qualify as "documentation"

Hardcore Greg said:

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Phatbob said:

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Probably because Christ was not political. It's pretty much impossible to justify voting for a Democrat as a Christian, but voting for anyone else is not a ton easier to justify.

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It is way easier for me. One side is basically Soddom and Gomorrah levels of depravity and degeneracy at this point. Not saying we don't have sleazebags within the GOP ranks, just that we don't openly advocate for all types of evil and deviancy under the sun, wage all out war on the nuclear family, and push sexual deviancy and gender confusion to minors and children. Just look at how dems treat violent criminals too. Anyone who votes D has unthinkable amount of blood, pain and suffering on their hands. MF'ers couldn't even stand to acknowledge a young boy dying of brain cancer, or the surviving grieving parents of young girls who were raped and murdered by dangerous illegals that their Dear Leader welcomed in.

Absolutely disgusting.

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You can find evil people that are Republicans, but you can find evil in the party platform of democrats.

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njohn87 said:

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Would you mind sharing a source for that big hoss?

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I believe the majority of Catholics voted Democrat until recently.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/party-identification-among-religious-groups-and-religiously-unaffiliated-voters/

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We have a ton of hispanics who grew up with a saint candle in the house, who identify as catholic, but are about as catholic as I am jewish.

White Catholics vote R+30, non white Catholics vote D+19.

When you filter for Catholics who attend mass a minimum of once a week (which is the bare minimum one can do and be a practicing Catholic) it's R+33, across all races.

DeschutesAg said:

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Vox Clamantis said:

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The Republican party is the only party that a Christian who has thought through the process can morally vote for.

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I haven't seen every printed version of the Bible, but none of the ones I've seen say thieving, lying, protecting the identities of pedos, hating others, adultery, bearing false witness, greed, extravagant wealth, acting like Pharisees, and pushing false teachings are okay. Those traits of the modern GOP's elected officials and and its uber-wealthy privileged ruling class of funders are well documented.

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Most of the uber wealthy fund the Dems these days. And individual Republicans may do some of those things, as they are all sinners, but they don't push them as policy. And most of those things are not unique to Republicans, either.

Democrats, for example, thieve, lie, protect the identities of pedos, hate others, commit adultery, bear false witness, are greedy, have extravagant wealth, act like Pharisees, and push false teachings. And the Democrats push those things as policy.

Based on NYC results, it looks like Jewish folk are pro-muslim.

DeschutesAg said:

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Vox Clamantis said:

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The Republican party is the only party that a Christian who has thought through the process can morally vote for.

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I haven't seen every printed version of the Bible, but none of the ones I've seen say thieving, lying, protecting the identities of pedos, hating others, adultery, bearing false witness, greed, extravagant wealth, acting like Pharisees, and pushing false teachings are okay. Those traits of the modern GOP's elected officials and and its uber-wealthy privileged ruling class of funders are well documented.

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You cannot be a Christian and support the things the modern democratic party supports. And the most direct way you could support such evil is by voting it into policy. I guess one can call themselves whatever you want, but you cannot be a Christian and vote democrat in this day and age...aka support, in the most direct manner (voting), spreading unthinkable degeneracy, gender confusion, breakdown of the t raditional family structure, pen*ses in women's showers and locker rooms, could go on and on.

The modern dem party is basically a big evil carneyfreak show at this point. Anyone who supports or remains silent on the dems, but points a finger at the moral faults of the R's needs to be mocked mercilessly and laughed out of the building.

The last part depends on the audience. I don't think on this board I need to preface every post critical of a Republican candidate with how bad the Democratic candidate is; I'm sure everybody here already knows and agrees with that. The question for a lot of Christians, then, isn't between Republican and Democrat, it's "can I support this candidate in good conscience, or do I leave the ballot blank?"

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The last part depends on the audience. I don't think on this board I need to preface every post critical of a Republican candidate with how bad the Democratic candidate is; I'm sure everybody here already knows and agrees with that. The question for a lot of Christians, then, isn't between Republican and Democrat, it's "can I support this candidate in good conscience, or do I leave the ballot blank?"

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IMO it should be, "everyone is a flawed sinner...which candidates support policy that is good for my nation and my family, within the bounds of the constitution?"

There are a few pious politicians but don't hold your breath waiting for very many more.

DeschutesAg said:

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Vox Clamantis said:

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The Republican party is the only party that a Christian who has thought through the process can morally vote for.

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I haven't seen every printed version of the Bible, but none of the ones I've seen say thieving, lying, protecting the identities of pedos, hating others, adultery, bearing false witness, greed, extravagant wealth, acting like Pharisees, and pushing false teachings are okay. Those traits of the modern [DC] elected officials and and its uber-wealthy privileged ruling class of funders are well documented.

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FIFY.

Who would you recommend in the alternative?

Vox Clamantis said:

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DeschutesAg said:

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Vox Clamantis said:

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The Republican party is the only party that a Christian who has thought through the process can morally vote for.

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I haven't seen every printed version of the Bible, but none of the ones I've seen say thieving, lying, protecting the identities of pedos, hating others, adultery, bearing false witness, greed, extravagant wealth, acting like Pharisees, and pushing false teachings are okay. Those traits of the modern GOP's elected officials and and its uber-wealthy privileged ruling class of funders are well documented.

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I see you did not paste the 2nd half of my post.

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Some people like half-truths.

njohn87 said:

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The last part depends on the audience. I don't think on this board I need to preface every post critical of a Republican candidate with how bad the Democratic candidate is; I'm sure everybody here already knows and agrees with that. The question for a lot of Christians, then, isn't between Republican and Democrat, it's "can I support this candidate in good conscience, or do I leave the ballot blank?"

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I think that all liberal white men should skip voting so that women's votes and minority votes mean more.

What do you think?

Hardcore Greg said:

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njohn87 said:

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The last part depends on the audience. I don't think on this board I need to preface every post critical of a Republican candidate with how bad the Democratic candidate is; I'm sure everybody here already knows and agrees with that. The question for a lot of Christians, then, isn't between Republican and Democrat, it's "can I support this candidate in good conscience, or do I leave the ballot blank?"

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IMO it should be, "everyone is a flawed sinner...which candidates support policy that is good for my nation and my family, within the bounds of the constitution?"

There are a few pious politicians but don't hold your breath waiting for very many more.

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I'd just have two thoughts on that-

-Everyone is a flawed sinner, but some flaws and sins have a greater impact than others on whether the person in question can govern effectively. A mayor who has racked up gambling debt with the local mob is likely a more relevant concern than a mayor who had an affair six years ago.

-To the extent that they ever existed, might pious politicians dying out be because that's no longer a quality that the voting body rewards?

njohn87 said:

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Hardcore Greg said:

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njohn87 said:

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The last part depends on the audience. I don't think on this board I need to preface every post critical of a Republican candidate with how bad the Democratic candidate is; I'm sure everybody here already knows and agrees with that. The question for a lot of Christians, then, isn't between Republican and Democrat, it's "can I support this candidate in good conscience, or do I leave the ballot blank?"

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IMO it should be, "everyone is a flawed sinner...which candidates support policy that is good for my nation and my family, within the bounds of the constitution?"

There are a few pious politicians but don't hold your breath waiting for very many more.

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I'd just have two thoughts on that-

-Everyone is a flawed sinner, but some flaws and sins have a greater impact than others on whether the person in question can govern effectively. A mayor who has racked up gambling debt with the local mob is likely a more relevant concern than a mayor who had an affair six years ago.

-To the extent that they ever existed, might pious politicians dying out be because that's no longer a quality that the voting body rewards?

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Gambling and other vices are definitely good indicators. Adults who physically assault children to the point of physical damage are also right up at the top with the worst, as well. IDC if someone's anger got the better of them, and they just couldn't hold back when it came to spanking a kid & they caused serious physical damage, or if it is another form of nefarious abuse. None of those people who commit those crimes as adults have any business living or existing in public.

I think it is pretty simple. Most people don't care enough to do anything or make any semblance of a sacrifice. Most people are soft and selfish.

You first have to make changes at the most local levels possible. Get involved in schools, neighborhoods, counties, and cities. We need good people to lead, but they simply are not. It is a prime reason why public education has just gone so far downhill. People will complain all day, but they will rarely do anything or hold anyone accountable.

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Statistics have shown that Christians in this country vote at an anemic level, and evangelistic Christians at an even lower level.

As a Christian, I simply can't identify a good reason as to why this might be.

It seems that voting and Christian conviction exist in an inverse relationship.

I know that if Christians, as a voting block, would show up at the voting booth in significant numbers, we would have a MUCH different looking country, politically, and oddly, it would look much more like a country that Christians claim they want.

So Christians can have a government that aligns with our values, yet won't get off the couch for long enough to make it happen.

I'd love to know the reason this trend persists so that maybe we can counter it and change the face of our rapidly degenerating country.

Thoughts?

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How do they determine the Christian voters? I have never been given a form to fill out saying I am a Christian and I either did or didn't vote.

Fake Christians.

God established the family, the church, and the state in order to work together for His purpose. If stepping up to be the leader of a family is a man's purpose then not doing it is a sin. If stepping up to lead in a church is the purpose of church people, then not doing that is a sin. If people being active and participating in the government is our purpose for that 1/3rd of what he established, then not doing that is a sin. Not voting is a sin.