What is the reason for this? [Poll of R and D view of America]

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AgGrad99
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Scott Jennings discussed this poll, and what it means about the left...

I've always been proud of this country, even if I didn't like who was in charge, or if I disagreed with an action our government took. I've always thought people who don't like this country must have a very myopic view, and need take a gander around the world.

But this? What caused this? What does it mean about our ability to work together, for the good of the whole?

Is there something you think accelerated the divide? Is it the way legacy news coverage changed, social media operates...or maybe just a snapshot in time?

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Because democrats are largely deceased, awful, or foreign.
Rapier108
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The left has been taught to hate this country since they were born.

America is evil
America is racist
America is sexist
America is "phobic"
America's wealth was stolen from others
America isn't special; we shouldn't be better off or more powerful
America was founded by white people, on the backs of black and brown people.
America is stolen land.

I could go on and on and on, but garbage like this is what they're fed every second of everyday, and social media has amped it up to warp speed.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
I Am A Critic
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Iphones, social media, decline of legacy media, everyone retreating to their echo chambers like F16, etc. I'd be curious to know exactly when this poll was taken. 25 years ago was 2001. Was this taken before or after the peak of post-9/11 national unity?
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DrEvazanPhD said:

Because democrats are largely deceased, awful, or foreign.


What's left is a bunch of idiots: when you call Trump a tyrant yet worship at the alter of Obama, Clinton, and others, you have serious emotional and/or IQ problems.
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25 years ago could mean this poll was taken right after Sept. 11 where national pride was universal. Once that wore off, Democrats went back to being miserable and blamed all the world's failings on the U.S.

Also Marxism has taken hold of the Democratic party. Class warfare. Always side with the little man against the big man even if the little man is evil. The U.S. is the big man in the world so it must be hated.
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91AggieLawyer said:

DrEvazanPhD said:

Because democrats are largely deceased, awful, or foreign.


What's left is a bunch of idiots: when you call Trump a tyrant yet worship at the alter of Obama, Clinton, and others, you have serious emotional and/or IQ problems.


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I don't like seeing the Democrats unhappy.

Thus I think the right should be considerate and allow the left to have their preferred government to make themselves as happy as they possibly can,.... after a peaceful divorce.

The northeast can do it's own thing.
Commiefornia can have it's libtopia.
Minnesomalia can be given to Canada.
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The reason is a major political party ( Democrats) have totally assumed critical theory/ cultural Marxism as their guiding and foundational philosophy.
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fixer said:

The reason is a major political party ( Democrats) have totally assumed critical theory/ cultural Marxism as their guiding and foundational philosophy.

Not just cultural Marxism, but economic as well.

The idea of America, and how America was created (and the reason for its success) is capitalism.

They cannot be proud of a country whose very foundation - economically, socially, culturally - is the exact opposite ideology that they profess and desire.
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Liberals are the most intolerant and violent people on the planet.
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The logical answer is that Democrats today hate America and want to see it destroyed. They can't even bring themselves to cheer for our national soccer team, when even Justin Trudeau has been 'persuaded' to do so.

For a time, I'd considered making a sig line that 'Democrats hate you and want you dead. Never, ever vote for a democrat.' But I didn't want to get in trouble for it. Nowadays, it just seems too obvious.

The movement/urge to suppress/crush dissent and 'unorthodox' thinking has long been a common one of the left/socialists/communists (heck, see Muenster circa 1535).

The internet just gives them new tools to do so, but these are not new ideas/urges.
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It has been the Marxist plan since Stalin to bring down the USA from within. Now Marxism has infested the Democrat party, our media and education institutions, and is spreading thru social media.
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The DemocraticParty was taken over by communists and socialists. They determined that was easier than getting enraged as a communist or socialist.
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Rapier108 said:

The left has been taught to hate this country since they were born.

America is evil
America is racist
America is sexist
America is "phobic"
America's wealth was stolen from others
America isn't special; we shouldn't be better off or more powerful
America was founded by white people, on the backs of black and brown people.
America is stolen land.

I could go on and on and on, but garbage like this is what they're fed every second of everyday, and social media has amped it up to warp speed.

It hasn't always been this way though.

I had some family members who were West Texas Dems from the old days. What they believed/supported would be ultra-conservative these days.

At some point this changed, and it went from being a radical few, to gripping the party.

I think you're right about social media. The algorithm is working (to our detriment).
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Dimwits, misfits and outcasts form the democrat party.
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America is sexist, racist, horrible etc etc with an evil horrible President but the entire outside world wants to move to America.
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Quote:




Easy solution. America hating Dems can just move to wherever there is love and peace and tolerance. Go. Please go. And give up your US citizenship and burn your US passports.

Do it. Now.
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Nothing to really add that everyone hasn't already covered. Will just echo everything already said.
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Because marxists, leftists and progressives are confused with liberals.

Liberals are pro-American. The democratic party isn't what it once was. It is now legitimately a threat to national security.
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polarization + trump + wokeness, in that order. it's not complicated.
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25 years ago the far left were the radical fringe of the Democratic party. Now they are the center.
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I Am A Critic said:

Iphones, social media, decline of legacy media, everyone retreating to their echo chambers like F16, etc. I'd be curious to know exactly when this poll was taken. 25 years ago was 2001. Was this taken before or after the peak of post-9/11 national unity?



The Frankfurt school and their postmodernist offspring is a better answer. They planted little seeds in universities everywhere, and after those sprouted their disciples entered every imaginable space public and Private
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Old McDonald said:

polarization + trump + wokeness, in that order. it's not complicated.

Trump is irrelevant other than as a focus for your side's rage, especially since he **** talks right back.

They would be just as radical and unhinged if it was Cruz, DeSantis, or anyone else with a (R) by his or her name.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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Rapier108 said:

Old McDonald said:

polarization + trump + wokeness, in that order. it's not complicated.

Trump is irrelevant other than as a focus for your side's rage, especially since he **** talks right back.

They would be just as radical and unhinged if it was Cruz, DeSantis, or anyone else with a (R) by his or her name.

EXACTLY. They lost their everloving minds when a state senator went on a quick planned trip with his daughter to Mexico during a heavy cold front. As if he was supposed to be psychic, cancel his trip, and stay here and go door to door and fix busted pipes...and as if he doesn't have a phone or laptop where he can make calls/do work.

They tried to paint Romney as an absolute monster for once traveling with the family dog outside of the car...meanwhile Barack Hussein Obama admitted to having EATEN DOG.

It's a hate group. A godless, miserable hate group. A large % of these people belong in state run mental institutions. I genuinely believe that. The prescription drugs aren't working. They need thorazine and involuntary confinement.
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Because fear and anger have been used as primary political motivators.
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One party both attracts and creates more bitter, envious, selfish, and unhappy individuals. It recruits them from the older population and attempts to manufacture them from the youth with it education system and media institutions. They don't want happy, satisfied, content Americans whose lives, humble or great are almost always gradually getting better in the long run. You can't get a revolutionary mob to seize absolute power of your population is generally pleased so the constant Democrat propaganda is that life is miserable here, despite most of the evidence of the alternatives. Democrats compare reality to a delusional Utopian fantasy, then are always bitter when reality is less than that.

Conservatives understand that life isn't perfect but with proper planning and reasonable and rational action and effort, by and large it can be made better with time, and it's much better than it would be governed by reckless spite and bitterness.
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Quote:

Conservatives understand that life isn't perfect but with proper planning and reasonable and rational action and effort, by and large it can be made better with time, and it's much better than it would be governed by reckless spite and bitterness.

Or to put it more succinctly, "Don't sweat the small stuff."
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For anyone interested, here is the full polling data:

Year Rep. Ind. Dem.
2001 90% 84% 87%
2002 98% 85% 92%
2003 99% 84% 88%
2004 98% 86% 88%
2005 93% 75% 81%
2006 96% 78% 77%
2007 95% 76% 74%
2008 95% 76% 78%
2009 92% 78% 78%
2010 Not asked/tracked
2011 Not asked/tracked
2012 Not asked/tracked
2013 93% 80% 85%
2014 Not asked/tracked
2015 90% 76% 80%
2016 89% 76% 68%
2017 92% 73% 67%
2018 93% 70% 60%
2019 95% 66% 51%
2020 88% 64% 42%
2021 87% 64% 62%
2022 84% 63% 52%
2023 85% 64% 55%
2024 85% 60% 62%
2025 92% 53% 36%
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Old McDonald said:

polarization + trump + wokeness, in that order. it's not complicated.


I'd flip wokeness to the front. All of that (wokeness) started in the 90's. Polarization started before that with legacy nightly news. They were all democrats and cheered for their team more diplomatically than they do now. It didn't start to really ramp up until Bush and has gotten really bad since then. Trump was a byproduct of the wokeness and polarization put on hyperdrive after Obama was elected.
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BigRobSA said:

91AggieLawyer said:

DrEvazanPhD said:

Because democrats are largely deceased, awful, or foreign.


What's left is a bunch of idiots: when you call Trump a tyrant yet worship at the alter of Obama, Clinton, and others, you have serious emotional and/or IQ problems.


Altar


I always thought it was spelled the way I spelled. Oh, well.

Now, give me a lecture on judgment and judgement.
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Rubicante said:

For anyone interested, here is the full polling data:

Year Rep. Ind. Dem.
2001 90% 84% 87%
2002 98% 85% 92%
2003 99% 84% 88%
2004 98% 86% 88%
2005 93% 75% 81%
2006 96% 78% 77%
2007 95% 76% 74%
2008 95% 76% 78%
2009 92% 78% 78%
2010 Not asked/tracked
2011 Not asked/tracked
2012 Not asked/tracked
2013 93% 80% 85%
2014 Not asked/tracked
2015 90% 76% 80%
2016 89% 76% 68%
2017 92% 73% 67%
2018 93% 70% 60%
2019 95% 66% 51%
2020 88% 64% 42%
2021 87% 64% 62%
2022 84% 63% 52%
2023 85% 64% 55%
2024 85% 60% 62%
2025 92% 53% 36%

It is unbelievable, the extent that Trump simply broke the left.
" 'People that read with pictures think that it's simply about a mask' - Dana Loesch" - Ban Cow Gas

"Truth is treason in the empire of lies." - Dr. Ron Paul

Big Tech IS the empire of lies

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The "left" or more accurately the Haters of America Party is quite literally hoping, wishing for Iran to come out on top of Trump for zero other reason than the do not like the guy, which is based entirely on them being told daily for 10 years that he is the evilest thing ever to emerge as a political leader / executive.
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waitwhat? said:

Rubicante said:

For anyone interested, here is the full polling data:

Year Rep. Ind. Dem.
2001 90% 84% 87%
2002 98% 85% 92%
2003 99% 84% 88%
2004 98% 86% 88%
2005 93% 75% 81%
2006 96% 78% 77%
2007 95% 76% 74%
2008 95% 76% 78%
2009 92% 78% 78%
2010 Not asked/tracked
2011 Not asked/tracked
2012 Not asked/tracked
2013 93% 80% 85%
2014 Not asked/tracked
2015 90% 76% 80%
2016 89% 76% 68%
2017 92% 73% 67%
2018 93% 70% 60%
2019 95% 66% 51%
2020 88% 64% 42%
2021 87% 64% 62%
2022 84% 63% 52%
2023 85% 64% 55%
2024 85% 60% 62%
2025 92% 53% 36%

It is unbelievable, the extent that Trump simply broke the left.

They got moderately proud again for a few years when their dementia riddled leader was labeling normal concerned parents "extremists", forcing people to get an experimental "vaccine" or lose their jobs, and hosting gay topless trans parties on the white house lawn etc etc. Now we're more normal again and a lot less fruity and degenerate, which is a huge turnoff to your every day leftist.
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TAMU1990 said:

Old McDonald said:

polarization + trump + wokeness, in that order. it's not complicated.


I'd flip wokeness to the front. All of that (wokeness) started in the 90's. Polarization started before that with legacy nightly news. They were all democrats and cheered for their team more diplomatically than they do now. It didn't start to really ramp up until Bush and has gotten really bad since then. Trump was a byproduct of the wokeness and polarization put on hyperdrive after Obama was elected.

I don't disagree, but the wokeness really ramped up around 2012 or 2013. That's when you started seeing trans bathroom nonsense being pushed in places like Houston. And other stuff that the most die hard hippies would have scoffed at just years prior.

On here back then, if you would discuss the potential slippery slopes of mentally ill men in female bathrooms/locker rooms/showers etc., leftists would pounce like a mofo. They assured us zero male perverts with sick fetishes would ever use womens' places to prey on unsuspecting women and girls.
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