If you want to celebrate Juneteenth like other holidays - flags, parades, fireworks, etc., move to Galveston Island.

A holiday because the mail was slow, just like every other day.

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June 19th is the day that many black Americans at a minimum commemorate as an important date in their history. So why do not blacks seem to feel the need to inject your opinion were it is neither wanted or welcome.

I suggest that we learn to love people where they are and not whate you want them to be.

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My ignorant, and possibly stupid question is, how many black Americans knew what Juneteenth was before the democrats decided it should be a holiday for them to be excited about...?

And how many have any clue what it actually came from even now?

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Outside of Texas, probably very few.

all the nitpicking about whether we should be celebrating the end of slavery in america on june 19th or another day is beside the point. it's as good a date as any other.

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Nothing a pandering holiday created by the Democrats as part of the rewriting of US history after St. Floyd of Fentanyl ODed. They wanted something as close to July 4th as possible. Same reason so many sporting events now do the "black national anthem" and the same mentality that gives us crap like the 1619 project.

Slavery did not end on June 19th. In fact slavery continued until the 13th Amendment was ratified as there were thousands of slaves still held in states which had not left the Union. Historically speaking, either December 6th (day it was ratified) or the 18th (day it went into effect) would be the day to celebrate the end of slavery, but of course those fall close to Christmas.

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Correct. The Emancipation Proclamation had little if any legal effect. Even if it did, it only freed slaves in the South, which arguable was not part of the US at the time. Passage of the 13th Amendment in December 1865 is the only true date of the freeing of the slaves.

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I always try to explain to people (from a historical perspective) that Juneteenth was a Texas thing and shouldn't be a national thing but nobody cares.

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If they want to celebrate more Texas Holidays as National Holidays, I'm OK with that.
March 2nd, April 21st, maybe LBJ's Birthday.

I've got friends who have been surprised to find out about Confederate Heroes Day during the past few years.

The most amazing fact is sometimes MLK Day and Confederate Heroes Day fall on the same day in January.

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Traitor Heroes Day?

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Nothing a pandering holiday created by the Democrats as part of the rewriting of US history after St. Floyd of Fentanyl ODed. They wanted something as close to July 4th as possible. Same reason so many sporting events now do the "black national anthem" and the same mentality that gives us crap like the 1619 project.

Slavery did not end on June 19th. In fact slavery continued until the 13th Amendment was ratified as there were thousands of slaves still held in states which had not left the Union. Historically speaking, either December 6th (day it was ratified) or the 18th (day it went into effect) would be the day to celebrate the end of slavery, but of course those fall close to Christmas.

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Slavery didn't end with the 13th amendment, as tribes still held slaves. Treaties to free those slaves were completed in 1866.

Confederate Heroes Day is cool. Didn't know about it until my first employer gave us the day off

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1) It's historically inaccurate as it was not the end of slavery anywhere but Galveston Texas and has no national value whatsoever because…

2) Emancipation Day is what you would choose if you really wanted to celebrate the real end of slavery in the US but that's Dec 6th, well after November elections are done and therefore useless to Democrats as the real point of the holiday which is…

3) An annual day to create hatred and resentment and division and in election years, it does this before Election Day for maximum impact

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Slaves in Galveston (and Texas) were freed January 1, 1863 (Emancipation Proclamation), but I see where you are going. June 19th 1865 was just the date that the Emancipation Proclamation was enforced in Texas.

We get a day off work and that's about as much as most people celebrate any holiday.

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Why can't we call it June 19th? Juneteenth sounds stupid.

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It's to pander to blacks and glorify their ebonics.

I'm fine with it. It was definitely politically forced and an elevation of a minor local holiday to manufacture a national one but the idea behind it is worth celebrating and that date is as good as good as any. I just find the semi-illiterate sounding name annoying. There are seven "teenth" days in every June so it's annoying to have to verify it is in fact the nineteenth.

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June 19th is the day that many black Americans at a minimum commemorate as an important date in their history. So why do not blacks seem to feel the need to inject your opinion were it is neither wanted or welcome.

I suggest that we learn to love people where they are and not whate you want them to be.

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My ignorant, and possibly stupid question is, how many black Americans knew what Juneteenth was before the democrats decided it should be a holiday for them to be excited about...?

And how many have any clue what it actually came from even now?

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1%. Hell, I'm a native Texan and didn't know it was a thing until the hubbub around it becoming a national holiday. One of my black female friends was pretty hot about it becoming a national holiday because to her it's just a Texas thing. And she's center left.

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Correct. The Emancipation Proclamation had little if any legal effect. Even if it did, it only freed slaves in the South, which arguable was not part of the US at the time. Passage of the 13th Amendment in December 1865 is the only true date of the freeing of the slaves.

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Not arguably.

The United States never considered Southern States as legally separated but just in a state of insurrection. To Washington DC, all of the confederate states were still subject to the legal structure of the country.

The confederacy was never recognized as a separate nation by foreign powers either.

There was no articulated method for the legal separation in the Constitution.

The only way it would have become a legitimate legal entity is through a negotiated post-war treaty ala the Treat of Paris that ended the revolution.

But the lost the military and economic side of things and the confederacy officially became a fiction in the minds of the minds of Southern politicians.

The confiscation acts of 1861 and 1862 were examples of this. Union solders were permitted to seize property, used in rebellion against the United States. Assets seized were not returned because that was the law of the land.

There was nothing articulated to make separation illegal. The right was historically understood. The north could not afford $$ to lose the Confederate states. The war was about money. The north became wealthy buying and selling slaves, then they raped, murdered the south for owning them. Posing as liberators.

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It was chosen as a holiday to pander to the left in the wake of awful racial protests. No one outside of Texas really knew about it before then. I have no problem celebrating the end of slavery but they forced that holiday on people and there is some resentment about it.

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I grew up on a farm in East Texas during the late 40s and early 50s. We grew watermelons and we always aimed at having the first one ripe to sell by Juneteenth for obvious reasons. That was the only notoriety Juneteenth received among the majority of the population back then.

I remember back when making MLK's birthday a national holiday was being discussed, one element of the debate was the governments expense of giving government workers another free day off. It was done anyway. When the recent Juneteenth discussion becoming a national holiday the cost was not even discussed. As said above it was pandering to the left.

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There was nothing articulated to make separation illegal. The right was historically understood. The north could not afford $$ to lose the Confederate states. The war was about money. The north became wealthy buying and selling slaves, then they raped, murdered the south for owning them. Posing as liberators.

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I agree nothing was articulated, but that still means that the Southern state legislatures just made it all up to suddenly become independent states. The right was not "historically understood" except for the fact that rebelling states had to prevail military otherwise they had not claim on recognizable legal status. They failed and therefore never existed except in the minds of the rebels.

Even Southern Sympathizer and Tennessee boy President Andrew Johnson argued this.

https://www.nps.gov/anjo/andrew-johnson-and-reconstruction.htm

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"There is No Such Thing"
"...there is no such thing as reconstruction.

These States have not gone out of the Union, therefore reconstruction is unnecessary.

I do not mean to treat them as inchoate States, but merely as existing under a temporary suspension of their government, provided always they elect loyal men. The doctrine of coercion to preserve a State in the Union has been vindicated by the people. It is the province of the Executive to see that the will of the people is carried out in the rehabilitation of the rebellious States, once more under the authority as well as the protection of the Union." Andrew Johnson, from an interview with General John A. Logan on May 31, 1865.

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Democrats pushed this hoiday through to "prove" that conservatives / Republicans / Christians are racist who hate black Americans because they are black. They chose the game and most of you choose to play their game. They WANT conservative / Republicans / Christians to oppose the June 19th celebration. You have been baited by haters. They don't care about the end of slavery, freedom or black Americans. They care about their power and influence.

Choose to not play the game. Do the one thing that a democrat is incapable of doing, "love thy neighbor as thyself." Deep down most democrats loathe themselves and this is why we see so much hate and violence from the left. They do not have the Love of Jesus in their heart. Their heart is filled with hate so they spend their life virtue signaling to prove that they care more than you. They do care but about what? That we care is not nearly as important as what we care about.

Just love our black neighbors where they are. Many hearts will be turned from the hate. Love overcomes democrats. The Love of Jesus is not in the democrat tool chest. If it were they would use it.

Freedom is precious and freedom is great. Anytime we can celebrate the end of slavery anywhere it is great as well! If the devil invents the cure for cancer just use the cure and don't worry about who invented it.

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June 19th is the day that many black Americans at a minimum commemorate as an important date in their history. So why do not blacks seem to feel the need to inject your opinion were it is neither wanted or welcome.

I suggest that we learn to love people where they are and not whate you want them to be.

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My ignorant, and possibly stupid question is, how many black Americans knew what Juneteenth was before the democrats decided it should be a holiday for them to be excited about...?

And how many have any clue what it actually came from even now?

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very very few. I was working on a project that had a communication every week that started with trivia questions with a token giveaway. Lead by communications/ HR


So week of Juneteenth , question was origin of the holiday and I was only one that knew it ( primarily because of this board) . Another participant who tried to answer and was dead ass wrong SHOULD have known as he was very outspoken about his holiday.. Being a corporate diverse team , we were both awarded swag.

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Correct. The Emancipation Proclamation had little if any legal effect. Even if it did, it only freed slaves in the South, which arguable was not part of the US at the time. Passage of the 13th Amendment in December 1865 is the only true date of the freeing of the slaves.

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Not arguably.

The United States never considered Southern States as legally separated but just in a state of insurrection. To Washington DC, all of the confederate states were still subject to the legal structure of the country.

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Except for denying them any representation in Congress or votes in national elections, which is the very definition of legal structure?

Can you imagine the course of the war had the southern states had representatives present in the House and Senate? Or the outcome of 1864 presidential election? McClellan wins in a landslide and the war is over.

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1) It's historically inaccurate as it was not the end of slavery anywhere but Galveston Texas and has no national value whatsoever because…

2) Emancipation Day is what you would choose if you really wanted to celebrate the real end of slavery in the US but that's Dec 6th, well after November elections are done and therefore useless to Democrats as the real point of the holiday which is…

3) An annual day to create hatred and resentment and division and in election years, it does this before Election Day for maximum impact

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All good points.

The one point that needs to be added and everyone should realize is that the goal is to supplant July 4th as the true beginning of the country. The left's idea is that July 4th celebrates a document signed by a bunch of slave masters, and the true beginning and hope of America started later, to be celebrated on June 19th by tradition. July 4th is for white supremacists and celebrations may one day soon actually be outlawed as racist and a hate crime.

Doesn't bother me

The end of slavery is worth a holiday. That it didn't happen on June 19th is irrelevant

Jesus probably wasn't born on December 25

Who cares. It's the spirit of the occasion. Doesn't matter what day it is on the calendar. If it was moved to Dec. 6 people would still complain

We should celebrate emancipation somehow. Juneteenth is as good a day as any.

That said, we're mot mature enough (politically) to handle it at this point. I say we have a moratorium on it till we have our stage 4 woke mind virus in remission.

Surprised this thread hasn't mentioned the fact that alphabet weirdos co-op the entire month of June, leaving no time for Juneteenth. Americans will be better off when Pride Month fades into Bolivian.

I celebrate it with the same intensity and fervor that I celebrate Festivus and Kwanzaa with.

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Democrats pushed this hoiday through to "prove" that conservatives / Republicans / Christians are racist who hate black Americans because they are black. They chose the game and most of you choose to play their game. They WANT conservative / Republicans / Christians to oppose the June 19th celebration. You have been baited by haters. They don't care about the end of slavery, freedom or black Americans. They care about their power and influence.

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First, I don't oppose it. They can celebrate all they like. I'm not acknowledging it nor participating in it.

Second, never let your enemy define the game. Celebrating it or not on the part of conservatives will do nothing as far as black support for Rs. Rs will always be called haters by the left because the left is evil. If we support Juneteenth, they would find something else that we don't support, like reparations. Now conservatives hate blacks because they don't support reparations. The goalpost will be moved. The goal of the left is not to improve race relations but to divide.

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Correct. The Emancipation Proclamation had little if any legal effect. Even if it did, it only freed slaves in the South, which arguable was not part of the US at the time. Passage of the 13th Amendment in December 1865 is the only true date of the freeing of the slaves.

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Not arguably.

The United States never considered Southern States as legally separated but just in a state of insurrection. To Washington DC, all of the confederate states were still subject to the legal structure of the country.

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Except for denying them any representation in Congress or votes in national elections, which is the very definition of legal structure?

Can you imagine the course of the war had the southern states had representatives present in the House and Senate? Or the outcome of 1864 presidential election? McClellan wins in a landslide and the war is over.

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Representatives from the southern states departed from the House and the Senate voluntarily. No individual was deprived of representation by the United States.

Numerous enslaved individuals residing in regions of Confederate States controlled by the Union were liberated as a result of the Emancipation Proclamation. The assertion that the Emancipation Proclamation did not free any slaves is a misguided narrative. Such claims are unfounded and reflect a distorted interpretation of history.

Juneteenth is as useless as Cinco De Mayo

Last week, I was talking to a customer in California (a 30-something, white woman), and she asked if I was 'off on Friday'. My initial reply was, 'off work? for what?' (my first thought being the US World Cup game)...and then remembered it was Juneteenth. I let her know we'd still be in the office (thinking our customer would appreciate our availability).

She was half-offended that I didn't remember, and was legitimately surprised and couldn't believe we weren't taking the day off. I explained that we've known what Juneteenth was for decades, and no one here ever took off.

She said, 'really? What do you mean?'

I explained that it originated in Texas....'really!?'

I then asked....do you know what Juneteenth is? She replied...'I dont know the details, but it's something to celebrated African Americans in this country'.

I didn't say this, but it's pretty ridiculous to get offended, when you yourself don't even know what the holiday is.

But such is this country now.

Cinco de Mayo is not useless man. We get specials at the local texmex joints!

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all the nitpicking about whether we should be celebrating the end of slavery in america on june 19th or another day is beside the point. it's as good a date as any other.

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I will always deeply mourn the fact that we had slavery. We will always pay immensely for the corners that some of our greedy forefather cut. Innocent people of today have to pay the prices for their sins. That;s the biggest injustice imo at this point.

I have had my car broken into three times in the last 20 yrs. I know so many people who have been victimized or brutalized. We pay taxes out the ass and there are huge societal costs all around. Roughly 4% commit 60% of the violent crimes. We will never stop paying for the sins of the slaveowners.