not bonkers at all. I think there is a good shot that happens.Quote:
Bonkers as it may be, I think we'll still have our choice of Young or Stroud.
not bonkers at all. I think there is a good shot that happens.Quote:
Bonkers as it may be, I think we'll still have our choice of Young or Stroud.
. I follow your logic, and I hope you're right. Just feels like somebody will trade up, and with the Colts having the fourth pick, the Bears can trade down and still likely get either Anderson or Carter.IrishAg said:Bonkers as it may be, I think we'll still have our choice of Young or Stroud. As it's been pointed out in this thread a few times, neither one of them have the profile of Trevor Lawerence, so is anyone really gonna give up the cost for the top pick to get one of them? Let's go through the realistic candidates who might want a QB:Snake Jazz said:
Sounds like the early favorites to take over are Jonathan Gannon or Ben Johnson. I can't see Payton or Harbaugh coming to a rebuild. DeMeco allegedly isn't interested.
This coaching hire and drafting the right QB will decide Caserio's fate in Houston.
I hope somehow Bryce Young ends up in Houston. Sounds like a longshot unless Chicago falls in love with Anderson or Carter, or somebody else falls in love with Stroud. I don't want Stroud. I read yesterday where somebody compared him to Jared Goff. That sounds about right. Do you really want Goff 2.0? Young just has a higher ceiling. Young seems to be that guy who finds a way to beat you in the fourth quarter. Stroud seems to be the guy who can't rise to the occasion in crunch time. Who knows how this will all play out, but it doesn't just feel like the Colts will trade up for Young, we'll settle for Stroud, and get to watch the Colts beat us twice a year for the next decade? I fear that stupid final drive with a 4th down pass going in between the hands of the defender and being caught for a TD will live in a Stagger Lee level of infamy for all time.
But, it may not have mattered. I could have easily seen the Texans taking Stroud over Young anyways because...they're the Texans.
Colts, really don't have the easy draft capital, and I can't see that front office giving up a crap ton of picks this year and next to move up.
Seattle,. I don't see them moving up with Pete Carroll running the franchise (plus they made the playoffs with Geno).
Lions, maybe, they have some easy draft capital, but I don't seem them trading a bunch of picks to potentially blow up the current team culture to replace Goff who led them to their first winning season in 5 years (and who actually played extremely well this year). Especially when those picks can continue to bring in talent to a team that has a winning record and almost made the playoffs.
Raiders, I can't see them trading up if Jeff McDaniels is the coach. He will hard sell his guy Stidham.
Panthers and Commanders, those are the two who need a QB as bad as the Colts, but they are in worse shape on draft capital. Either one would be mortgaging their futures for Young or Stroud, who just don't seem to have the name/brand recognition that you want when it comes to trading into the top spot.
You add those up and add them to the history of teams trading up to get the #1 pick and I think the highest probability of what's going to happen on draft night is that the Bears end up taking their top player and then the Texans have their choice at QB.
With quarterbacks, who knows? Could go in the top five...could go in the second round.mAgnoliAg said:
You don't think we could get Richardson at 12?
The biggest saving grace for us is that they would be trading down to the 4th pick with the Colts. So, the Bears have to keep in mind that if Houston really wants one but not the other, someone could trade up for Anderson or Carter at 2, and you still have the Cardinals at 3 that will probably go defense. So there is a chance that they trade down to 4th and lose both players they really want, and you wouldn't get another first rounder this year. That's a lot to potentially lose if you really love Anderson or Carter, so how much can the Colts give to offset that potential loss?Snake Jazz said:I follow your logic, and I hope you're right. Just feels like somebody will trade up, and with the Colts having the fourth pick, the Bears can trade down and still likely get either Anderson or Carter.IrishAg said:Bonkers as it may be, I think we'll still have our choice of Young or Stroud. As it's been pointed out in this thread a few times, neither one of them have the profile of Trevor Lawerence, so is anyone really gonna give up the cost for the top pick to get one of them? Let's go through the realistic candidates who might want a QB:Snake Jazz said:
Sounds like the early favorites to take over are Jonathan Gannon or Ben Johnson. I can't see Payton or Harbaugh coming to a rebuild. DeMeco allegedly isn't interested.
This coaching hire and drafting the right QB will decide Caserio's fate in Houston.
I hope somehow Bryce Young ends up in Houston. Sounds like a longshot unless Chicago falls in love with Anderson or Carter, or somebody else falls in love with Stroud. I don't want Stroud. I read yesterday where somebody compared him to Jared Goff. That sounds about right. Do you really want Goff 2.0? Young just has a higher ceiling. Young seems to be that guy who finds a way to beat you in the fourth quarter. Stroud seems to be the guy who can't rise to the occasion in crunch time. Who knows how this will all play out, but it doesn't just feel like the Colts will trade up for Young, we'll settle for Stroud, and get to watch the Colts beat us twice a year for the next decade? I fear that stupid final drive with a 4th down pass going in between the hands of the defender and being caught for a TD will live in a Stagger Lee level of infamy for all time.
But, it may not have mattered. I could have easily seen the Texans taking Stroud over Young anyways because...they're the Texans.
Colts, really don't have the easy draft capital, and I can't see that front office giving up a crap ton of picks this year and next to move up.
Seattle,. I don't see them moving up with Pete Carroll running the franchise (plus they made the playoffs with Geno).
Lions, maybe, they have some easy draft capital, but I don't seem them trading a bunch of picks to potentially blow up the current team culture to replace Goff who led them to their first winning season in 5 years (and who actually played extremely well this year). Especially when those picks can continue to bring in talent to a team that has a winning record and almost made the playoffs.
Raiders, I can't see them trading up if Jeff McDaniels is the coach. He will hard sell his guy Stidham.
Panthers and Commanders, those are the two who need a QB as bad as the Colts, but they are in worse shape on draft capital. Either one would be mortgaging their futures for Young or Stroud, who just don't seem to have the name/brand recognition that you want when it comes to trading into the top spot.
You add those up and add them to the history of teams trading up to get the #1 pick and I think the highest probability of what's going to happen on draft night is that the Bears end up taking their top player and then the Texans have their choice at QB.
Snake Jazz said:With quarterbacks, who knows? Could go in the top five...could go in the second round.mAgnoliAg said:
You don't think we could get Richardson at 12?
Richardson has a lot of ability, but has shown little consistency. He is a project and a gamble. Perfect guy if you have an aging quarterback and you have the time to develop him. Texans need a guy who can play on day one.
mAgnoliAg said:
You don't think we could get Richardson at 12?
I agree...this is why Caserio needs to make it clear they are taking the best player available. Yes, we need a quarterback, but we need help everywhere. If Anderson or Carter is the top guy on our board, that is who we're taking. They need to evaluate those two just as heavily as they do the quarterbacks. Even if it is a total bluff, you have to make Chicago think it's possible. If they get too cute, they could miss out on one of those two guys.IrishAg said:The biggest saving grace for us is that they would be trading down to the 4th pick with the Colts. So, the Bears have to keep in mind that if Houston really wants one but not the other, someone could trade up for Anderson or Carter at 2, and you still have the Cardinals at 3 that will probably go defense. So there is a chance that they trade down to 4th and lose both players they really want, and you wouldn't get another first rounder this year. That's a lot to potentially lose if you really love Anderson or Carter, so how much can the Colts give to offset that potential loss?Snake Jazz said:I follow your logic, and I hope you're right. Just feels like somebody will trade up, and with the Colts having the fourth pick, the Bears can trade down and still likely get either Anderson or Carter.IrishAg said:Bonkers as it may be, I think we'll still have our choice of Young or Stroud. As it's been pointed out in this thread a few times, neither one of them have the profile of Trevor Lawerence, so is anyone really gonna give up the cost for the top pick to get one of them? Let's go through the realistic candidates who might want a QB:Snake Jazz said:
Sounds like the early favorites to take over are Jonathan Gannon or Ben Johnson. I can't see Payton or Harbaugh coming to a rebuild. DeMeco allegedly isn't interested.
This coaching hire and drafting the right QB will decide Caserio's fate in Houston.
I hope somehow Bryce Young ends up in Houston. Sounds like a longshot unless Chicago falls in love with Anderson or Carter, or somebody else falls in love with Stroud. I don't want Stroud. I read yesterday where somebody compared him to Jared Goff. That sounds about right. Do you really want Goff 2.0? Young just has a higher ceiling. Young seems to be that guy who finds a way to beat you in the fourth quarter. Stroud seems to be the guy who can't rise to the occasion in crunch time. Who knows how this will all play out, but it doesn't just feel like the Colts will trade up for Young, we'll settle for Stroud, and get to watch the Colts beat us twice a year for the next decade? I fear that stupid final drive with a 4th down pass going in between the hands of the defender and being caught for a TD will live in a Stagger Lee level of infamy for all time.
But, it may not have mattered. I could have easily seen the Texans taking Stroud over Young anyways because...they're the Texans.
Colts, really don't have the easy draft capital, and I can't see that front office giving up a crap ton of picks this year and next to move up.
Seattle,. I don't see them moving up with Pete Carroll running the franchise (plus they made the playoffs with Geno).
Lions, maybe, they have some easy draft capital, but I don't seem them trading a bunch of picks to potentially blow up the current team culture to replace Goff who led them to their first winning season in 5 years (and who actually played extremely well this year). Especially when those picks can continue to bring in talent to a team that has a winning record and almost made the playoffs.
Raiders, I can't see them trading up if Jeff McDaniels is the coach. He will hard sell his guy Stidham.
Panthers and Commanders, those are the two who need a QB as bad as the Colts, but they are in worse shape on draft capital. Either one would be mortgaging their futures for Young or Stroud, who just don't seem to have the name/brand recognition that you want when it comes to trading into the top spot.
You add those up and add them to the history of teams trading up to get the #1 pick and I think the highest probability of what's going to happen on draft night is that the Bears end up taking their top player and then the Texans have their choice at QB.
But yeah, I really hope I'm right LOL
I was at the rodeo with my mom one year after he took the team to Tennessee and Drayton McLane was helping with the calf rustle. My mom said, "What would you do if you saw Bud Adams out there?" and then got mad at me when I answered, "Go out there and try to kill him."mAgnoliAg said:
We went to high school with bud adams grandson who is future partial owner. So happy about the titans collapse.
Agree completely!!!Snake Jazz said:I agree...this is why Caserio needs to make it clear they are taking the best player available. Yes, we need a quarterback, but we need help everywhere. If Anderson or Carter is the top guy on our board, that is who we're taking. They need to evaluate those two just as heavily as they do the quarterbacks. Even if it is a total bluff, you have to make Chicago think it's possible. If they get too cute, they could miss out on one of those two guys.IrishAg said:The biggest saving grace for us is that they would be trading down to the 4th pick with the Colts. So, the Bears have to keep in mind that if Houston really wants one but not the other, someone could trade up for Anderson or Carter at 2, and you still have the Cardinals at 3 that will probably go defense. So there is a chance that they trade down to 4th and lose both players they really want, and you wouldn't get another first rounder this year. That's a lot to potentially lose if you really love Anderson or Carter, so how much can the Colts give to offset that potential loss?Snake Jazz said:I follow your logic, and I hope you're right. Just feels like somebody will trade up, and with the Colts having the fourth pick, the Bears can trade down and still likely get either Anderson or Carter.IrishAg said:Bonkers as it may be, I think we'll still have our choice of Young or Stroud. As it's been pointed out in this thread a few times, neither one of them have the profile of Trevor Lawerence, so is anyone really gonna give up the cost for the top pick to get one of them? Let's go through the realistic candidates who might want a QB:Snake Jazz said:
Sounds like the early favorites to take over are Jonathan Gannon or Ben Johnson. I can't see Payton or Harbaugh coming to a rebuild. DeMeco allegedly isn't interested.
This coaching hire and drafting the right QB will decide Caserio's fate in Houston.
I hope somehow Bryce Young ends up in Houston. Sounds like a longshot unless Chicago falls in love with Anderson or Carter, or somebody else falls in love with Stroud. I don't want Stroud. I read yesterday where somebody compared him to Jared Goff. That sounds about right. Do you really want Goff 2.0? Young just has a higher ceiling. Young seems to be that guy who finds a way to beat you in the fourth quarter. Stroud seems to be the guy who can't rise to the occasion in crunch time. Who knows how this will all play out, but it doesn't just feel like the Colts will trade up for Young, we'll settle for Stroud, and get to watch the Colts beat us twice a year for the next decade? I fear that stupid final drive with a 4th down pass going in between the hands of the defender and being caught for a TD will live in a Stagger Lee level of infamy for all time.
But, it may not have mattered. I could have easily seen the Texans taking Stroud over Young anyways because...they're the Texans.
Colts, really don't have the easy draft capital, and I can't see that front office giving up a crap ton of picks this year and next to move up.
Seattle,. I don't see them moving up with Pete Carroll running the franchise (plus they made the playoffs with Geno).
Lions, maybe, they have some easy draft capital, but I don't seem them trading a bunch of picks to potentially blow up the current team culture to replace Goff who led them to their first winning season in 5 years (and who actually played extremely well this year). Especially when those picks can continue to bring in talent to a team that has a winning record and almost made the playoffs.
Raiders, I can't see them trading up if Jeff McDaniels is the coach. He will hard sell his guy Stidham.
Panthers and Commanders, those are the two who need a QB as bad as the Colts, but they are in worse shape on draft capital. Either one would be mortgaging their futures for Young or Stroud, who just don't seem to have the name/brand recognition that you want when it comes to trading into the top spot.
You add those up and add them to the history of teams trading up to get the #1 pick and I think the highest probability of what's going to happen on draft night is that the Bears end up taking their top player and then the Texans have their choice at QB.
But yeah, I really hope I'm right LOL
And, honestly, if Young is off the board, I'm just fine with them taking one of those defensive players. Rather land a legit star on defense than reach for a QB.
The McCown angle is the question regarding whether Caserio is a good enough GM or not. The Texans were about to hire Luke McCown, a white "good Christian" with zero coaching experience, to be the HC until the Flores lawsuit came up and the Texans decided that would be a bad look and they better hire a black coach pronto.Noble07 said:
Why did the team hire Culley and then Smith? There are up and coming coaches, just get one of them and promise 3-4 years to draft and develop a team. It's tough to watch these moves.
And whose idea was it to interview Josh McCown?
They gave Lovie the absolute WORST roster in the NFL by a mile and he didn't finish last. He greatly exceeded expectations (mine included). He lost 6 games by less than 1 possession! His (crappy) players actually played hard for him. If they give him a mediocre roster he probably makes the playoffs next year.Thinice said:A statement from Chair and CEO Cal McNair: pic.twitter.com/EXfIbUYOBc
— Houston Texans (@HoustonTexans) January 9, 2023
one reason he would sell would be due to the fact that he is completely tarnishing his family name. I can see members of his family pressuring him to sale the team, for the sake of them and their credibility. His dad was loved for bringing a team back to Houston and now Cal is tarnishing his dad's legacy by his own stupidity.Ag_07 said:
Why in the world would Cal sell?
Y'all realize how much an NFL franchise makes? Even a crap one like the Texans.
And considering Cal didn't fork up the money to get it he's not in any hurry to cash out.
Richardson scares me because of how raw he is but he's also a physical freak, he's the type of QB you'd build in a lab. I wish he had more games under his belt but they could consider drafting him and letting Mills keep going while they work with Richardson. Richardson is the opposite of Young in so many ways.Ryan34 said:
I know it's a big risk, but I still lean towards Anthony Richardson. Imperative is getting a coaching staff who can develop him. Richardson is big, fast, and a rocket arm. His mechanics are good, just needs to improve footwork and gain experience. It's easy to see his elite physical traits translating ala Josh Allen, who also wasn't spectacular in college either.
If Bryce Young becomes an elite QB in the NFL, he'll basically be a unicorn. He's the best college QB of the bunch IMO, but I just don't know if his physical traits translate.
My thoughts as of today:
- Demeco or Gannon with those respective offensive systems
- Richardson at #2 (or trade back preferably, but also risky)
- Johnston at #12 for a #1 WR and a good deep threat
- Achane somewhere. Elite speed that can be another deep threat for Richardson and move around the offense ala Deebo Samuel.
- Target DL in free agency. Maybe Davenport from New Orleans plus some DTs.
And this is why I'm not a GM.
I was thinking the exact same thing.Ag_07 said:Snake Jazz said:With quarterbacks, who knows? Could go in the top five...could go in the second round.mAgnoliAg said:
You don't think we could get Richardson at 12?
Richardson has a lot of ability, but has shown little consistency. He is a project and a gamble. Perfect guy if you have an aging quarterback and you have the time to develop him. Texans need a guy who can play on day one.
I said earlier if they want they can load up on other talent in the draft and bring in Derek Carr as a stop-gap QB.
He's serviceable enough to be a decent starter while they groom a young project QB or wait to draft a QB next year.
I would not be opposed to this approach.
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Was Caserio the one wanting McCown or was that Cal and his mother? I could easily see it being the latter.
Actually Richardson is the prototype QB most teams build around. Think about Josh Allen coming out of school, big rocket arm QB who needs to be developed. Sounds familiar. But, if we don't like Young or Stroud, and we can't trade back without risk of losing Richardson, I would be fine taking him at #2 with the amount of upside he has. Then grabbing one of the top WR at #12. We just have to have a coaching staff that can help build an offense around him.Ryan34 said:
I know it's a big risk, but I still lean towards Anthony Richardson. Imperative is getting a coaching staff who can develop him. Richardson is big, fast, and a rocket arm. His mechanics are good, just needs to improve footwork and gain experience. It's easy to see his elite physical traits translating ala Josh Allen, who also wasn't spectacular in college either.
If Bryce Young becomes an elite QB in the NFL, he'll basically be a unicorn. He's the best college QB of the bunch IMO, but I just don't know if his physical traits translate.
My thoughts as of today:
- Demeco or Gannon with those respective offensive systems
- Richardson at #2 (or trade back preferably, but also risky)
- Johnston at #12 for a #1 WR and a good deep threat
- Achane somewhere. Elite speed that can be another deep threat for Richardson and move around the offense ala Deebo Samuel.
- Target DL in free agency. Maybe Davenport from New Orleans plus some DTs.
And this is why I'm not a GM.
The question there is would Derek Carr take a 2 year contract? Just because we think he's a serviceable QB doesn't mean he will come cheap, especially on a shorter contract.1836er said:I was thinking the exact same thing.Ag_07 said:Snake Jazz said:With quarterbacks, who knows? Could go in the top five...could go in the second round.mAgnoliAg said:
You don't think we could get Richardson at 12?
Richardson has a lot of ability, but has shown little consistency. He is a project and a gamble. Perfect guy if you have an aging quarterback and you have the time to develop him. Texans need a guy who can play on day one.
I said earlier if they want they can load up on other talent in the draft and bring in Derek Carr as a stop-gap QB.
He's serviceable enough to be a decent starter while they groom a young project QB or wait to draft a QB next year.
I would not be opposed to this approach.
Imagine drafting a DL with the #2 pick and bringing in Derek Carr. It would be the most Texans offseason.1836er said:I was thinking the exact same thing.Ag_07 said:Snake Jazz said:With quarterbacks, who knows? Could go in the top five...could go in the second round.mAgnoliAg said:
You don't think we could get Richardson at 12?
Richardson has a lot of ability, but has shown little consistency. He is a project and a gamble. Perfect guy if you have an aging quarterback and you have the time to develop him. Texans need a guy who can play on day one.
I said earlier if they want they can load up on other talent in the draft and bring in Derek Carr as a stop-gap QB.
He's serviceable enough to be a decent starter while they groom a young project QB or wait to draft a QB next year.
I would not be opposed to this approach.
I wouldn't be angry depending on who we brought in as coach.Texan_Aggie said:Imagine drafting a DL with the #2 pick and bringing in Derek Carr. It would be the most Texans offseason.1836er said:I was thinking the exact same thing.Ag_07 said:Snake Jazz said:With quarterbacks, who knows? Could go in the top five...could go in the second round.mAgnoliAg said:
You don't think we could get Richardson at 12?
Richardson has a lot of ability, but has shown little consistency. He is a project and a gamble. Perfect guy if you have an aging quarterback and you have the time to develop him. Texans need a guy who can play on day one.
I said earlier if they want they can load up on other talent in the draft and bring in Derek Carr as a stop-gap QB.
He's serviceable enough to be a decent starter while they groom a young project QB or wait to draft a QB next year.
I would not be opposed to this approach.
I'd be excited just because of the incredible Derek Carr gifs there are available for next season.Texan_Aggie said:Imagine drafting a DL with the #2 pick and bringing in Derek Carr. It would be the most Texans offseason.1836er said:I was thinking the exact same thing.Ag_07 said:Snake Jazz said:With quarterbacks, who knows? Could go in the top five...could go in the second round.mAgnoliAg said:
You don't think we could get Richardson at 12?
Richardson has a lot of ability, but has shown little consistency. He is a project and a gamble. Perfect guy if you have an aging quarterback and you have the time to develop him. Texans need a guy who can play on day one.
I said earlier if they want they can load up on other talent in the draft and bring in Derek Carr as a stop-gap QB.
He's serviceable enough to be a decent starter while they groom a young project QB or wait to draft a QB next year.
I would not be opposed to this approach.





With Payton still under contract to the Saints, it would cost the Texans the draft picks that they need to use on players. Plus, he might want total control and the Texans made that mistake with O'Brien.Max Power said:Richardson scares me because of how raw he is but he's also a physical freak, he's the type of QB you'd build in a lab. I wish he had more games under his belt but they could consider drafting him and letting Mills keep going while they work with Richardson. Richardson is the opposite of Young in so many ways.Ryan34 said:
I know it's a big risk, but I still lean towards Anthony Richardson. Imperative is getting a coaching staff who can develop him. Richardson is big, fast, and a rocket arm. His mechanics are good, just needs to improve footwork and gain experience. It's easy to see his elite physical traits translating ala Josh Allen, who also wasn't spectacular in college either.
If Bryce Young becomes an elite QB in the NFL, he'll basically be a unicorn. He's the best college QB of the bunch IMO, but I just don't know if his physical traits translate.
My thoughts as of today:
- Demeco or Gannon with those respective offensive systems
- Richardson at #2 (or trade back preferably, but also risky)
- Johnston at #12 for a #1 WR and a good deep threat
- Achane somewhere. Elite speed that can be another deep threat for Richardson and move around the offense ala Deebo Samuel.
- Target DL in free agency. Maybe Davenport from New Orleans plus some DTs.
And this is why I'm not a GM.
Let the other teams fight over Payton and Harbaugh, I don't think they'd come to Houston anyway. My guess is that Indy and Carolina go after Harbaugh. Denver and Arizona or Rams (Kingsbury could be fired and McVay might not come back) would go after Payton.
-Demeco is my no 1 target but it's been mentioned that he isn't interested in coming here.
-My no 2 candidate is Ben Johnson, OC for Detroit. I love a lot of what I saw out of them this year, and is also coming from a team in the middle of a rebuild and they're doing it the right way. I give Demeco the slight edge just because he's a former player here and I'd love to have him back but Johnson isn't far behind.
Others:
-Gannon
-Steichen
-Bienemy
-Quinn
-Dorsey
-Leftwich
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Steichen is very interesting and would potentially pair really well with Bryce Young:. . . said:
Eagles OC Shane Steichen
Bobby Jimbo said:Steichen is very interesting and would potentially pair really well with Bryce Young:. . . said:
Eagles OC Shane Steichen
Imagine if our offense added Young, Quentin Johnston, and a RB like Achane (speed back to complement Dameon Pierce) in the middle rounds to go along with Steichen's playcalling. That could potentially turn around things pretty quickly.