*******The Official Houston Texans 2022: AW Thread************

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In reply to Max Power • 12:47p, 1/10/23
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Max Power said:
Snake Jazz said:
I don't know what to make of Caserio's comments. Sounds like he is a dead man walking, but why would he lead a coaching hire then?
My interpretation is that they had the come to Jesus talk. I'm guessing Cal told him what was expected going into this coaching hire, draft, and free agency period. Another season like the last two won't be acceptable. If Caserio was being fired, he'd be fired already, just like Lovie. Why keep him around when other teams are already getting interviews lined up? We already know what it looks like if a coach is given too much control, I don't take anything to mean they want that again.
My vision of a Cal-Caserio conversation after the season goes like this.


Cal: "So are we hosting a playoff game next week or go on the road?"

Nick: "Uh, Cal we didn't make the playoffs."

Cal: "What? But we won last week!"

Nick: "Right, but we went 3-13-1 on the year. We were eliminated from the playoffs around Halloween."

Cal: "Damn, just missed! Well, Mama's not going to like that. I guess somebody needs to get fired for this. Who do I blame? Is it your fault, Nick?"

Nick: "Uh, no, Cal, it's typically the coach's fault when a season goes this badly."

Cal: "Oh right, the 'coach'. I remember Daddy saying something like that one time. Who is the coach again? Mattress Mac?"

Nick: "No, his name is Lovie Smith, Cal. Remember? You shook his hand a bunch when he hired him?"

Cal: "AHHHAHAHAHHA! What kind of name is Lovie for a guy? Hey remember, Mr. Howell's wife on Giligan's Island? Her name was Lovie, too!"

Nick: "Uh, yes. I believe so."

Cal: "Did you see the one when they had turned the island into a hotel and the Harlem Globetrotters showed up? They had to play basketball against a team of robots!"



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1:05p, 1/10/23
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Interesting...These were just being discussed on 610 as I was coming back from lunch





I think whoever said no one wants to work with Casserio was right on.

What I can't figure out now is if Cal running the show is a good thing or bad thing.

The Texan shlt show continues.
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In reply to Snake Jazz • 1:19p, 1/10/23
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Snake Jazz said:
Ryan34 said:
https://www.outkick.com/there-are-five-nfl-coach-openings-and-best-opportunity-of-bunch-might-surprise/

Some interesting parts:
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"Remember all this and then take everything I'm about to tell you, take with a grain of salt," a current NFL assistant expecting to interview for at least one open job told OutKick. "I think Houston is the best job out there.

"I know, I know, you're going to bring up all the mess of the last four years or so. But I love their draft picks. And I love their salary cap situation. There are possibilities there if the right guy has a chance to lay a foundation."

The fact is three of the five experts who spoke to OutKick on Monday said Houston had the most upside of any job vacancy. Another had Houston as the second-best job available.

The Texans are scheduled to have 12 picks in the April draft. They'll have two first-round picks, including the second overall selection. Their pick in the second round is a borderline first-rounder because the Dolphins forfeited their first this year, meaning there are only 31 first-round selections this draft.

The Texans will also have two picks in the third round this year. And two more first-round picks next year. This offers opportunity to find a franchise quarterback and build around him.

"And, don't forget, the Deshaun Watson drama is gone," a source said.

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But the obvious issue with the Texans is they've been a dumpster fire of a reputation among some coaches. That has happened because the Texans fired both David Culley and Lovie Smith after only one season.

"That's not overplayed media stuff," one coach told OutKick. "That's real. But never underestimate someone's ego. I personally wouldn't go in thinking the last two guys got fired after one year, so this is how it's going to go for me.

"Guess what, you go 3-13-1 and blow the No. 1 overall pick, maybe you should get canned after one year. I think that job's going to be an excellent opportunity for somebody."

This is obviously one man's opinion. But the Texans resources for adding talent, including having the most cap space of any of the teams hiring this cycle, makes them tempting.

And here's a surprise: The lack of a quarterback this cycle is seen as something of a strength rather than a weakness by some.

Multiple people who spoke to OutKick on Monday showed little enthusiasm about the Arizona Cardinals and Broncos, in part because those teams are tied to veteran quarterbacks making a lot of money but not playing like they deserve a lot of money.

The Cardinals, searching for both a general manager and coach, are tied to Kyler Murray to such a degree that owner Michael Bidwell told reporters on Monday the player would have input in the coach search.

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Cardinals Empowering Kyler Murray

"The last thing that kid needs is find another coach to be his friend," a source told OutKick. "And that's how it's looking. I mean, what has he done to deserve any say in a search?

"There's no serious coach that wants to be interviewing with the quarterback who hasn't proven anything. We're not talking Peyton Manning here."
I would want NOTHING to do with either Denver or Arizona. Broncos went all in on Mr. Unlimited and he looks 100% washed. Whoever they hire is going to have to fix him, and I don't think that is going to be possible. Cardinals are married to Kyler, who seems to lack maturity and is limited in the schemes he can be successful in. They drafted him because of his fit in Kingsbury's system, and now they've fired Kingsbury. Cardinals never should have given Kyler that second contract unless they were committed to running a spread/air raid offense for the next decade.
Excellent points being made here. I don't know that Houston is the best opening but I understand how the argument can be made, things to consider:

-Quarterback
-Cap situation
-Draft picks
-Division

To me Indy would probably be the best option if it weren't for the fact they need Matt Ryan to just retire, I'm not sure what he's owed but I bet it's a lot.

We have the best situation of the draft picks, QB is a wildcard depending on said draft picks. We are in a good position with the cap and with the roster in general being there's few players tied into long term or overpaid deals. Also the division is fairly weak. AFC & NFC west have rough teams in them. Carolina plays in the NFC south which is ripe for the taking, but they need a QB and don't have the same draft capital.
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1:46p, 1/10/23
Let's face it, this is NOT a situation where things can be turned around in 1 year. Especially with a rookie QB, an all-new coaching staff and more than likely, a large turnover in player personnel (Brandon Cooks won't be the only non-returnee).

Any potential HC needs a commitment from management that they will give him a few years to fix things. Now, how can the Texans convince any potential candidate of getting such when they've fired 3 HCs in the last 3 years?
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In reply to Max Power • 1:55p, 1/10/23
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Re: Matt Ryan - you're not wrong

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In reply to bluefire579 • 2:22p, 1/10/23
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Yikes. Since Andrew Luck retired here's the list of starting QB's for the Colts:
Jacoby Brissett (15)
Brian Hoyer (1)
Philip Rivers (16)
Carson Wentz (17)
Matt Ryan (12)
Sam Ehlinger (3)
Nick Foles (2)

Based on those figures Ryan also appears to be basically untradeable.
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In reply to Max Power • 2:53p, 1/10/23
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Yikes is an understatement. Indy becoming the new Cleveland?
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In reply to ac • 3:33p, 1/10/23
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ac said:
Let's face it, this is NOT a situation where things can be turned around in 1 year. Especially with a rookie QB, an all-new coaching staff and more than likely, a large turnover in player personnel (Brandon Cooks won't be the only non-returnee).

Any potential HC needs a commitment from management that they will give him a few years to fix things. Now, how can the Texans convince any potential candidate of getting such when they've fired 3 HCs in the last 3 years?

Caserio firing Culley with no backup is one of my biggest complaints with him. I think he's done very well from a salary cap perspective (granted, at the expense of building a competitive roster the last two years), and TBD from the draft.

I think we'll be fine with the coach this time around. Rumor is that we wanted Gannon before the Flores situation blew up, and our situation is much more attractive this year than last. Caserio won't get another shot at this, so he'll probably pull out all the stops to get the guy he wants (assuming he stays obviously).
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In reply to bluefire579 • 4:19p, 1/10/23
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yep, this is something the front offices of the NFL and MLB are learning.

nobody is going to retire when they are under contract for that much money. Doesn't matter how bad their performance on the field is
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In reply to Max Power • 4:45p, 1/10/23
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Max Power said:
Yikes. Since Andrew Luck retired here's the list of starting QB's for the Colts:
Jacoby Brissett (15)
Brian Hoyer (1)
Philip Rivers (16)
Carson Wentz (17)
Matt Ryan (12)
Sam Ehlinger (3)
Nick Foles (2)

Based on those figures Ryan also appears to be basically untradeable.
That rivals the Texans stretch from '14-'17

Brock Osweiler: 14
Ryan Fitzpatrick: 12
Brian Hoyer: 9
Tom Savage: 9
Ryan Mallet: 6
DeShaun Watson: 6
TJ Yates: 5
Case Keenum: 2
Brandon Weeden: 1

Also, for anytime you want to stump a friend in Texans triva - who is our all-time winningest playoff QB?

It's a 4-way tie between Yates, Schaub, Osweiler and Watson with 1 each.
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4:58p, 1/10/23
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Well at least there seems to be a cohesive process involved with this coaching search.

As opposed to last time when they didn't interview anyone and the names floated were Josh McCown and Hines Ward.
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 5:04p, 1/10/23
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The Porkchop Express said:
Max Power said:
Yikes. Since Andrew Luck retired here's the list of starting QB's for the Colts:
Jacoby Brissett (15)
Brian Hoyer (1)
Philip Rivers (16)
Carson Wentz (17)
Matt Ryan (12)
Sam Ehlinger (3)
Nick Foles (2)

Based on those figures Ryan also appears to be basically untradeable.
That rivals the Texans stretch from '14-'17

Brock Osweiler: 14
Ryan Fitzpatrick: 12
Brian Hoyer: 9
Tom Savage: 9
Ryan Mallet: 6
DeShaun Watson: 6
TJ Yates: 5
Case Keenum: 2
Brandon Weeden: 1

Also, for anytime you want to stump a friend in Texans triva - who is our all-time winningest playoff QB?

It's a 4-way tie between Yates, Schaub, Osweiler and Watson with 1 each.
I was trying to have some fun with this at their expense, then you have to go and remind me of Osweiller, Savage, and Mallet.

Jesus we need to get this pick right.
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In reply to Max Power • 5:07p, 1/10/23
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Max Power said:
The Porkchop Express said:
Max Power said:
Yikes. Since Andrew Luck retired here's the list of starting QB's for the Colts:
Jacoby Brissett (15)
Brian Hoyer (1)
Philip Rivers (16)
Carson Wentz (17)
Matt Ryan (12)
Sam Ehlinger (3)
Nick Foles (2)

Based on those figures Ryan also appears to be basically untradeable.
That rivals the Texans stretch from '14-'17

Brock Osweiler: 14
Ryan Fitzpatrick: 12
Brian Hoyer: 9
Tom Savage: 9
Ryan Mallet: 6
DeShaun Watson: 6
TJ Yates: 5
Case Keenum: 2
Brandon Weeden: 1

Also, for anytime you want to stump a friend in Texans triva - who is our all-time winningest playoff QB?

It's a 4-way tie between Yates, Schaub, Osweiler and Watson with 1 each.
I was trying to have some fun with this at their expense, then you have to go and remind me of Osweiller, Savage, and Mallet.

Jesus we need to get this pick right.
HEB has a policy where if any employee brings up the Brock Osweiler / JJ Watt commercials, they shove them in the freezer and forget about them.

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In reply to Ag_07 • 5:50p, 1/10/23
Ag_07 said:
Interesting...These were just being discussed on 610 as I was coming back from lunch





I think whoever said no one wants to work with Casserio was right on.

What I can't figure out now is if Cal running the show is a good thing or bad thing.

The Texan shlt show continues.
She should stick to "breaking stories" about Michael Sam's showering habits.
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6:57p, 1/10/23
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Should I know who Josina Anderson is? I'm guessing not.
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7:33p, 1/10/23
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So if Cal has had a falling out with Caserio, someone has Cal's ear and he's listening. Hannah?
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In reply to 3 Toed Pete • 8:34p, 1/10/23
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3 Toed Pete said:
So if Cal has had a falling out with Caserio, someone has Cal's ear and he's listening. Hannah?

Funny/sad how easy it is to believe someone has Simple Cal's ear snd is telling him what to think.
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pagerman @ work said:
3 Toed Pete said:
So if Cal has had a falling out with Caserio, someone has Cal's ear and he's listening. Hannah?

Funny/sad how easy it is to believe someone has Simple Cal's ear snd is telling him what to think.
I'd like to see a cartoon where Cal is constantly tormented by Mr. Mytzylplyk from the Superman comics.

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12:48p, 1/11/23
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Pretty cool moment for JJ

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CnSB5H-pl9H/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y
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1:10p, 1/11/23
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it is interesting...

J.J., Hopkins, Watson...all left the Texans...left Houston...

but they did not find their Shangri-La

their best teams...their best years are / were still with the Texans
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In reply to W • 1:17p, 1/11/23
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I think 6 games is a bit too early to make that statement for Watson.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 2:46p, 1/11/23
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Ag_07 said:
I think 6 games is a bit too early to make that statement for Watson.
He's got another deposition lined up so he's got that going for him.
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In reply to . . . • 3:08p, 1/11/23
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I don't think he would come here.....but.... maybe all that Caserio talk was to get him ready to decide if he wants to be here in a diminished capacity with someone like Sean Payton?

Ahhh, the offseason, where anything can happen...but, nothing usually does!
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4:06p, 1/11/23
Can't see Payton coming to the Texans unless the desire to work with a young QB like Young or Stroud really intrigues him. One problem may be that he will want a lot of authority and that's the mistake they made with BoB.
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4:53p, 1/11/23
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Not really sure Payton would be a good fit here.

He didn't wanna have anything to do with a rebuild in NO so why would he wanna do that here?

Seems like he'd go someplace that's not full rebuild mode.
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4:54p, 1/11/23
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At least these names are respectable and not Hines Ward, David Culley, Josh McCown etc
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In reply to Ag_07 • 5:06p, 1/11/23
Ag_07 said:
Not really sure Payton would be a good fit here.

He didn't wanna have anything to do with a rebuild in NO so why would he wanna do that here?

Seems like he'd go someplace that's not full rebuild mode.
Rebuild here is vastly different than the Saints one, the Saints have to deal with a lot of nasty contracts and don't have a ton of draft capital (including missing their #1 this year). He would be able to quickly grab talent in free agency and in the draft to build a team the way he wants. But, with that said, I doubt he's coming here.
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In reply to Texan_Aggie • 5:07p, 1/11/23
Texan_Aggie said:
At least these names are respectable and not Hines Ward, David Culley, Josh McCown etc
So true, I'm not sure if I've heard a dud yet on coaches they've targeted.
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6:19p, 1/11/23
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I'd be OK just having a head coach who I can confidently say knows what day the draft is on.

It's barely been a year but I don't think I could pick David Culley out of a lineup he was so forgettable.
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In reply to IrishAg • 7:04p, 1/11/23
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IrishAg said:
. . . said:
I don't think he would come here.....but.... maybe all that Caserio talk was to get him ready to decide if he wants to be here in a diminished capacity with someone like Sean Payton?

Ahhh, the offseason, where anything can happen...but, nothing usually does!


Texans have a ton of draft assets, other teams don't. Anyone here think Payton isnt worth the no 12 pick? It's at least worth a conversation. I don't think he'd come here but Denver, Arizona, Indy, and Carolina don't have a spare first round pick which is what NO wants.
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10:46p, 1/11/23
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I'm afraid that Payton will end up like Jimbo is now. Won the main championship more than 10 years ago and gets overpaid with all of competitiveness and wins fizzling out through time.
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1:41p, 1/12/23
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I thought Cal's immediate shortlist would be Josh McDaniels or Matt Patricia. Maybe give Joe Judge or Brian Flores a 2nd shot. Maybe even rehire Romeo Crennel.
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In reply to PascalsWager • 1:45p, 1/12/23
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PascalsWager said:
I thought Cal's immediate shortlist would be Josh McDaniels or Matt Patricia. Maybe give Joe Judge or Brian Flores a 2nd shot. Maybe even rehire Romeo Crennel.
Is Charlie Weiss not availble?
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