I believe Hannah does have a twin.

Yes, an identical twin

Which one is you

LilSebastian13 said:

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Which one is you

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Probably taking the picture

Anybody else notice how all the references have been to "H Town"? I'm all for rebranding but it's a bit much for me, so far

Johnny Holland, Aaron Glenn, Jerrod Johnson, Gary Kubiak.
Add players Von Miller, Ryan Tannehill, Trayveon Williams, Mike Evans. Draft Devon Achane, Antonio Johnson. I don't think Maroon, white and Columbia blue go well together
But maybe so. Cushing and JJ Watt added to coaching staff. Some of this could happen. .

chjoak said:

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Source: #Texans interview #Vikings assistant Jerrod Johnson, a former @AggieFootball record-setting quarterback @KPRC2 @KPRC2RandyMchttps://t.co/giCDE2hdkF

— Aaron Wilson (@AaronWilson_NFL) February 5, 2023

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This makes a lot of sense, Minnesota's offense shares a lot of similarities with SF's. Great receiving options, solid RB, a QB whose success is debatable on their talent vs their supporting cast.

When I see this stuff it makes me less certain that Houston will take a QB at no 2. Ryans might be a guy that has a philosophy of taking the best player available, regardless of position. He saw them give up a lot to move up and take Trey Lance when in retrospect those picks could have been better used elsewhere. There were some really great players in that draft. I get that Houston doesn't have to trade up from 2 to take one of the best QB's but he and Caserio will have to have a long talk about the players at that position and even possibly trading back given this team's needs. He might look at guy like Carter and Anderson as more valuable. He might prefer to draft guys like Skoronski or Paris Johnson as more important first. Also they need any QB to have weapons to be successful whether it's Quentin Johnston, Jordan Addison, JSN, Zay Flowers.

I do still think Houston pretty much has to take a QB at 2 but it might only be 90% vs the 100% that the media is projecting.

another problem with not taking a QB in the 2023 draft...

what if Ryans comes in and does a good job...and the Texans...let's say...win 6 or 7 games.

now the Texans are drafting somewhere around the 10th pick...still looking for a QB

So I guess we can never be called the Oilers again bc of Bud Adams. But I was not sure if we could still make an alternate colored scheme to match the old oilers colors and use it from to time. Surely that was not also blocked.

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chjoak said:

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Source: #Texans interview #Vikings assistant Jerrod Johnson, a former @AggieFootball record-setting quarterback @KPRC2 @KPRC2RandyMchttps://t.co/giCDE2hdkF

— Aaron Wilson (@AaronWilson_NFL) February 5, 2023

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This makes a lot of sense, Minnesota's offense shares a lot of similarities with SF's. Great receiving options, solid RB, a QB whose success is debatable on their talent vs their supporting cast.

When I see this stuff it makes me less certain that Houston will take a QB at no 2. Ryans might be a guy that has a philosophy of taking the best player available, regardless of position. He saw them give up a lot to move up and take Trey Lance when in retrospect those picks could have been better used elsewhere. There were some really great players in that draft. I get that Houston doesn't have to trade up from 2 to take one of the best QB's but he and Caserio will have to have a long talk about the players at that position and even possibly trading back given this team's needs. He might look at guy like Carter and Anderson as more valuable. He might prefer to draft guys like Skoronski or Paris Johnson as more important first. Also they need any QB to have weapons to be successful whether it's Quentin Johnston, Jordan Addison, JSN, Zay Flowers.

I do still think Houston pretty much has to take a QB at 2 but it might only be 90% vs the 100% that the media is projecting.

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I think the likeliest thing is still that they take a QB at 2, but it might not be the end of the world if they don't, and even if they do, playing it like you might go a bunch of different directions is the right play. Teams are less likely to trade ahead of you if you don't telegraph who you hope falls to you.

I still want Bryce Young, and I still think somebody (probably the Colts) trades to 1 to get him. I hope not...Bears not finding a partner and drafting one of the defenders is your dream scenario, and somebody trading ahead of you to draft Levis is dream scenario 2.0. If somebody trades to 1 to take Young, I'm fine with taking Jalen Carter there. HOWEVER, another idea that is gaining momentum for me is taking Anthony Richardson at 2. Richardson is a gamble and would need a redshirt season, but he is the most physically talented specimen. If there is a "Josh Allen" in this draft, it's him. I'm not saying I would do it, because he could be an erratic mess who never develops, but he has the highest ceiling. And, I highly doubt someone would trade up to take him at 1, so you can rest comfortably knowing you're either taking him or, if you're lucky, Young with the second pick.

I don't like Stroud, but if they take him, I'll talk myself into the idea that he could be really good.

Just please don't take Levis. It seems like the Texans have turned a corner, but that would be the most "Texans" pick I could imagine.

LB12Diamond said:

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So I guess we can never be called the Oilers again bc of Bud Adams. But I was not sure if we could still make an alternate colored scheme to match the old oilers colors and use it from to time. Surely that was not also blocked.

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Tennessee doesn't own the color blue. I'm guessing they may have some specific claim to "columbia blue," but the Texans could take some similar powder blue or baby blue that is technically a shade different but wouldn't be noticed by anybody other than an interior decorator. The Chargers and Lions use a similar color.

It wouldn't be a shock if Bud's daughter made a stink about it, but they don't even really use columbia blue anymore, so I don't know how much of a leg she would have to stand on.

I'm with you on Young, he's my favorite, regardless of the size issue. I go back and forth on Stroud, sometimes I feel like he's great, sometimes I feel like he's fools-gold. I don't get Levis, I haven't since day 1. Richardson is a lottery ticket, you don't know what you're getting with him. Is he Jalen Hurts/Josh Allen or is he Jamarcus Russell/Dwayne Haskins? No one knows what the best version of him is right now because the sample size is so small. I just don't think you can take him at 2. I wouldn't be surprised for us to take Young or Stroud, I'd be shocked if the pick is Levis or Richardson.

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chjoak said:

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Source: #Texans interview #Vikings assistant Jerrod Johnson, a former @AggieFootball record-setting quarterback @KPRC2 @KPRC2RandyMchttps://t.co/giCDE2hdkF

— Aaron Wilson (@AaronWilson_NFL) February 5, 2023

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This makes a lot of sense, Minnesota's offense shares a lot of similarities with SF's. Great receiving options, solid RB, a QB whose success is debatable on their talent vs their supporting cast.

When I see this stuff it makes me less certain that Houston will take a QB at no 2. Ryans might be a guy that has a philosophy of taking the best player available, regardless of position. He saw them give up a lot to move up and take Trey Lance when in retrospect those picks could have been better used elsewhere. There were some really great players in that draft. I get that Houston doesn't have to trade up from 2 to take one of the best QB's but he and Caserio will have to have a long talk about the players at that position and even possibly trading back given this team's needs. He might look at guy like Carter and Anderson as more valuable. He might prefer to draft guys like Skoronski or Paris Johnson as more important first. Also they need any QB to have weapons to be successful whether it's Quentin Johnston, Jordan Addison, JSN, Zay Flowers.

I do still think Houston pretty much has to take a QB at 2 but it might only be 90% vs the 100% that the media is projecting.

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I think the likeliest thing is still that they take a QB at 2, but it might not be the end of the world if they don't, and even if they do, playing it like you might go a bunch of different directions is the right play. Teams are less likely to trade ahead of you if you don't telegraph who you hope falls to you.

I still want Bryce Young, and I still think somebody (probably the Colts) trades to 1 to get him. I hope not...Bears not finding a partner and drafting one of the defenders is your dream scenario, and somebody trading ahead of you to draft Levis is dream scenario 2.0. If somebody trades to 1 to take Young, I'm fine with taking Jalen Carter there. HOWEVER, another idea that is gaining momentum for me is taking Anthony Richardson at 2. Richardson is a gamble and would need a redshirt season, but he is the most physically talented specimen. If there is a "Josh Allen" in this draft, it's him. I'm not saying I would do it, because he could be an erratic mess who never develops, but he has the highest ceiling. And, I highly doubt someone would trade up to take him at 1, so you can rest comfortably knowing you're either taking him or, if you're lucky, Young with the second pick.

I don't like Stroud, but if they take him, I'll talk myself into the idea that he could be really good.

Just please don't take Levis. It seems like the Texans have turned a corner, but that would be the most "Texans" pick I could imagine.

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This is a really good point. If Chicago feels like we could take Anderson at 2 if they trade out, then there's a legitimate concern that Chicago could miss out on the big 2 defensive players even if they only trade down to #4. Which means they would only trade out of the price was right

I'm starting to see a few mock drafts with the Texans trading up for the first pick (in exchange for the #2 pick plus 2nd and 3rd round picks). Every bit of goodwill the front office has done by bringing Demeco in as head coach would vanish.

And it would be sooooo Texans of the Texans to do this. I bet Lovie would laugh his butt off if that happened.

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I'm starting to see a few mock drafts with the Texans trading up for the first pick (in exchange for the #2 pick plus 2nd and 3rd round picks). Every bit of goodwill the front office has done by bringing Demeco in as head coach would vanish.

And it would be sooooo Texans of the Texans to do this. I bet Lovie would laugh his butt off if that happened.

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Most mock drafts believe the Texans have to pick a QB first, so I could see them putting this out there. But any mock draft is pointless before the Texans get their coaching staff in place.

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I'm starting to see a few mock drafts with the Texans trading up for the first pick (in exchange for the #2 pick plus 2nd and 3rd round picks). Every bit of goodwill the front office has done by bringing Demeco in as head coach would vanish.

And it would be sooooo Texans of the Texans to do this. I bet Lovie would laugh his butt off if that happened.

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Depending on the price, I wouldn't be opposed. Chicago probably hopes to move down and still land Anderson or Carter. If we're convinced that one of the QB's is head and shoulders above the rest, would you give up a second rounder to get him? I might. Even though Chicago could get a bigger package from somebody else, they would fall to a spot where their number one target may be gone. Essentially the Bears get a good pick to move down one spot and still get the player they wanted.

Would you give up 2 and 12 to do that? I don't want to, but if they are convinced that Young or whoever is the guy they MUST have, I think you can justify it. Would you give up a mid first-rounder to get a Mahomes or a Burrow? Yes. If you think one of those guys is that good, how bad would you kick yourself knowing that you gambled they would fall to you and they didn't. Few things sting as much as seeing the player you wanted drafted right in front of you.

Now, if you make that trade and that QB doesn't become a star, that might ultimately cost a GM his job. Caserio has a proven record of trading up to get guys he wants. It could happen.

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I'm starting to see a few mock drafts with the Texans trading up for the first pick (in exchange for the #2 pick plus 2nd and 3rd round picks). Every bit of goodwill the front office has done by bringing Demeco in as head coach would vanish.

And it would be sooooo Texans of the Texans to do this. I bet Lovie would laugh his butt off if that happened.

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Also the trade scenarios are moronic

From CBS sports mock draft, the 2 scenarios for the bears

Bears-Texans

• Texans get: No. 1
• Bears get: No. 2, 2023 second-rounder (33) and fourth-rounder (101), 2024 second-rounder

Bears-Colts

• Colts get: No. 2
• Bears get: No. 4, 2023 third-rounder (79) and fourth-rounder (103), 2024 second-rounder

So yeah, the colts give up the same number of picks as the Texans but every pick is worse, including the second best pick which is a whole degree less valuable, but according to them it's what the expected trade compensation looks like. This is them just throwing **** against a wall with a minimum amount of effort.

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Marvin said:

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I'm starting to see a few mock drafts with the Texans trading up for the first pick (in exchange for the #2 pick plus 2nd and 3rd round picks). Every bit of goodwill the front office has done by bringing Demeco in as head coach would vanish.

And it would be sooooo Texans of the Texans to do this. I bet Lovie would laugh his butt off if that happened.

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Also the trade scenarios are moronic

From CBS sports mock draft, the 2 scenarios for the bears

Bears-Texans

• Texans get: No. 1
• Bears get: No. 2, 2023 second-rounder (33) and fourth-rounder (101), 2024 second-rounder

Bears-Colts

• Colts get: No. 2
• Bears get: No. 4, 2023 third-rounder (79) and fourth-rounder (103), 2024 second-rounder

So yeah, the colts give up the same number of picks as the Texans but every pick is worse, including the second best pick which is a whole degree less valuable, but according to them it's what the expected trade compensation looks like. This is them just throwing **** against a wall with a minimum amount of effort.

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Hell to the ****in NAH

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Marvin said:

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I'm starting to see a few mock drafts with the Texans trading up for the first pick (in exchange for the #2 pick plus 2nd and 3rd round picks). Every bit of goodwill the front office has done by bringing Demeco in as head coach would vanish.

And it would be sooooo Texans of the Texans to do this. I bet Lovie would laugh his butt off if that happened.

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Depending on the price, I wouldn't be opposed. Chicago probably hopes to move down and still land Anderson or Carter. If we're convinced that one of the QB's is head and shoulders above the rest, would you give up a second rounder to get him? I might. Even though Chicago could get a bigger package from somebody else, they would fall to a spot where their number one target may be gone. Essentially the Bears get a good pick to move down one spot and still get the player they wanted.

Would you give up 2 and 12 to do that? I don't want to, but if they are convinced that Young or whoever is the guy they MUST have, I think you can justify it. Would you give up a mid first-rounder to get a Mahomes or a Burrow? Yes. If you think one of those guys is that good, how bad would you kick yourself knowing that you gambled they would fall to you and they didn't. Few things sting as much as seeing the player you wanted drafted right in front of you.

Now, if you make that trade and that QB doesn't become a star, that might ultimately cost a GM his job. Caserio has a proven record of trading up to get guys he wants. It could happen.

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You don't give up 2 and 12, because it's overvalued. You have to look at what other teams can give up, and the teams that really want a QB don't have near the draft capital that the Texans do.

I think the biggest thing in this is does anyone believe that Young can reach the same heights as a Burrow or Mahomes as undersized as he is? Mahomes is 6-3, Burrow is 6-4, Allen is 6-5....Young is 5-10 maybe 5-11. I don't think there has ever been a pocket passer QB taken in the top 5 that small?

When it comes down to it, the problem that I have with Bryce Young being the top QB picked you expect him to be at the same level as the top QBs in the league. Which means that with his skills, if he was the same size as Mahomes, or Burrow, or Allen you would have to believe that he would be better than all three, since he will be playing with a massive disadvantage on vision and durability. And, if you don't believe that, then are you're really thinking he's going to be a top QB in the league...which gets back to what's the point in drafting him that high?

I would be pretty surprised if we traded up. Mock drafts are pretty meaningless until the week leading up to the draft.

I'm also more skeptical of Bryce Young than many seem to be. If he played for say Mississippi State rather than Alabama, would we be talking about him as a first round pick? I'm not sure how he stresses an NFL defense. Having good timing and accuracy on short and intermediate throws are basically just playing stakes to get a seat at the table. Every starting QB in the NFL has to be able to do that. What is going to separate him and make him elite? He's not really going to beat a team deep or with a heavy use of his legs. Probably not going to do a lot of play action or long developing plays to minimize the hits on his small frame too. Is the bet that he'll be the next Manning/Brees who has such a strong grasp of the defense pre-snap that he can pick them apart?

If I had to guess today, I'd say Stroud. I love the idea of Richardson, but guys with that little starting experience have a really low hit rate. But if this was Madden, I'd pick Richardson.

If SF traded for Rodgers, would y'all give up a 3rd or 4th rounder for Trey Lance and just draft best available at 2 and 12?

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I would be pretty surprised if we traded up. Mock drafts are pretty meaningless until the week leading up to the draft.

I'm also more skeptical of Bryce Young than many seem to be. If he played for say Mississippi State rather than Alabama, would we be talking about him as a first round pick? I'm not sure how he stresses an NFL defense. Having good timing and accuracy on short and intermediate throws are basically just playing stakes to get a seat at the table. Every starting QB in the NFL has to be able to do that. What is going to separate him and make him elite? He's not really going to beat a team deep or with a heavy use of his legs. Probably not going to do a lot of play action or long developing plays to minimize the hits on his small frame too. Is the bet that he'll be the next Manning/Brees who has such a strong grasp of the defense pre-snap that he can pick them apart?

If I had to guess today, I'd say Stroud. I love the idea of Richardson, but guys with that little starting experience have a really low hit rate. But if this was Madden, I'd pick Richardson.

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I agree 100% on Young, does anyone really think he's going to be, or at the very least even think he can be an elite (perennially top 5) QB in the NFL? Richardson, Stroud, and even Levis have a higher ceiling than Young, it's just that all of them have a much lower floor. You can't pick a QB in the top 5 based on their floor, you have to believe they have a ceiling of one of the best QBs in the NFL. Otherwise it's just wasting a pick to draft a QB for marketing, and you can probably accomplish marketing close that at the end of the 1st round or even later with the right QB.

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I would be pretty surprised if we traded up. Mock drafts are pretty meaningless until the week leading up to the draft.

I'm also more skeptical of Bryce Young than many seem to be. If he played for say Mississippi State rather than Alabama, would we be talking about him as a first round pick? I'm not sure how he stresses an NFL defense. Having good timing and accuracy on short and intermediate throws are basically just playing stakes to get a seat at the table. Every starting QB in the NFL has to be able to do that. What is going to separate him and make him elite? He's not really going to beat a team deep or with a heavy use of his legs. Probably not going to do a lot of play action or long developing plays to minimize the hits on his small frame too. Is the bet that he'll be the next Manning/Brees who has such a strong grasp of the defense pre-snap that he can pick them apart?

If I had to guess today, I'd say Stroud. I love the idea of Richardson, but guys with that little starting experience have a really low hit rate. But if this was Madden, I'd pick Richardson.

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I think I am with you on Young.

The Texans really need to hit on their first two picks. I would be fine passing on QB at 2 and 12 and just going BPA. Maybe Richardson falls or we could go with someone like Hendon Hooker or Jaren Hall a little later.

With no sure thing available, Im very wary of drafting any of these QBs so high. There are other ways to roster build without putting all the eggs in the QB basket.

One of the other things to think about is who the coach is of the teams looking for QB's. Indy is the only team I think that would seriously try to jump to No. 1 and they haven't hired a coach yet, which makes me think they're legit looking at Saturday as the guy, just pretending everyone else is a real candidate. Does Saturday, long time NFL offensive lineman, look at Young as a real NFL QB? I would think a guy like him probably wants a bigger guy like Stroud, Levis, or Richardson. Reich pretty much only utilizes traditional pocket passers, I have to think if they take a QB he wants Stroud. DeMeco might be a lot more flexible in terms of what he wants his QB to be than some of the other guys out there. Indy does have pieces to help a guy like Young, but I think some of the old-school mentality for a lot of coaches won't allow them to consider Young due to his size. If Indy hires Steichen then I'd think they might be more open to a guy like Young.

I am hoping that we can convince someone in the top 10 (5-8 would be ideal) that they need someone that is available at #2. We can trade down, add more draft capitol and if Young happens to fall (based on the logic from several of the posts above me) you get to snag him. If not, then atleast you hopefully positioned yourself to have a min of 2 picks in each of the 1st-3rd rounds + more 1st-3rd Rd picks in 2024.

I guess I am just not seeing why we're so down on Young as possibly the guy. There's a reason he's grading out ahead of these guys. He's accurate in and out of the pocket, has the arm talent to make all the throws, sets the base well, and moves when he has to get out of trouble.

The only knock on him is his height. He wins with his feet, brain, and arm. He anticipates and throws to spots, doesn't panic, or get locked in on a read.

I don't know if he's Peyton Manning or Drew Brees, but no one is. I'd be happy to see him as a Texan.

Is Not a Turtle said:

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I guess I am just not seeing why we're so down on Young as possibly the guy. There's a reason he's grading out ahead of these guys. He's accurate in and out of the pocket, has the arm talent to make all the throws, sets the base well, and moves when he has to get out of trouble.

The only knock on him is his height. He wins with his feet, brain, and arm. He anticipates and throws to spots, doesn't panic, or get locked in on a read.

I don't know if he's Peyton Manning or Drew Brees, but no one is. I'd be happy to see him as a Texan.

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It's not just his height. He has a really slender frame and it's questionable how many hits he can take. He also does not have a great arm. It's not bad, but he isn't going to make off balance passes down field like Mahomes or Josh Allen. He needs to be able to step into his throws.

He doesn't have a single elite physical trait, so you're basically relying on his mental ability to make up for that plus the risks with his frame. If he turns into an elite NFL QB, he'll basically be a unicorn because there's never been someone with his physical profile that has been elite. Maybe Russell Wilson (stronger arm, thicker) or Drew Brees (stronger arm), but neither was a first round pick either.

If I was picking for Texas A&M, I'd take him no question. I'm just not sure how to project him to the NFL where arm strength is paramount and defenders are much bigger and faster.

Something we haven't discussed much yet is free agency. Now that we have a lot of cap space, I think we'll be much more active than in the last couple of years. I'd really like to hit the defensive side of the ball in free agency:

- Daron Payne/Dalvin Tomlinson
- Marcus Davenport
- Azeez Al-Shaair (LB SF)
- Emmanuel Moseley (CB SF)

Payne/Tomlinson and Davenport will be more expensive, but the others should be reasonable. Plus, Payne and Davenport are both still young and fit our timeline.

Add in the development of Stingley, Harris, and Pitre plus draft picks, and the defense actually could be respectable next year.