BMX Bandit said:
how much money yall making knowing the outcomes ahead of time?
Well a number of posters know who will win the superbowl so I guess they are betting the farm on the Chiefs. No reason to bet any other way.
BMX Bandit said:
how much money yall making knowing the outcomes ahead of time?
Ag_07 said:
All good info but you can't overlook the calls that were not penalties.
The two biggest being the long deep ball that should've been ruled an INT or incomplete pass but instead gave KC a 1st and GOAL, and the awful spot on Allen's rush on 4th down that would've given BUF a 1st down and a chance at taking the lead late in the game.
yeh.. but about 30 yards back. not 1st and goal.Southlake said:
Even if the Chiefs are not awarded that catch, there was still a defensive holding penalty against Buffalo that would have resulted in a first down for the Chiefs.
I mentioned both of those calls. It was either going to be a completed pass for KC or an incomplete pass. No way it ends up as an INT based on the rules. If it's incomplete, they kick a FG and put three on the board instead of seven. (EDIT-I completely forgot the defensive holding on that play which would have given them a first down. I still don't think Buffalo stops them at that point).Ag_07 said:
All good info but you can't overlook the calls that were not penalties.
The two biggest being the long deep ball that should've been ruled an INT or incomplete pass but instead gave KC a 1st and GOAL, and the awful spot on Allen's rush on 4th down that would've given BUF a 1st down and a chance at taking the lead late in the game.
Here's that @ESPN graphic that @SharpFootball did a deep dive into on his site. pic.twitter.com/LWg10lh05x
— Henry McKenna (@henrycmckenna) January 22, 2025
How do you figure? They are not some juggernaut of talent the their record reflects that. Of those 17 regular season games, they won something like 10 of them by one score. Their two losses were to the Bills by 9 and Denver by 38 (lets be honest that was an exhibition game).W said:
and kind of the bottomline...
the Chiefs' talent does not match a 17-2 record (regular season + playoffs)
especially as compared to their 16-3 Super Bowl opponent with Saquon, A.J. Brown, et al
Nobody cares about the regular season. Most of this horrifically bad, game changing, officiating is happening in the playoffs.Kansas Kid said:
The problem with your thesis is the stats don't support it. Your thesis would say the Chiefs will get fewer penalties yards than their opponents.
2024 reg Season penalty yards Chiefs 829 Opp 849
2023 reg season. Chiefs 845 Opp 604
2022 reg season Chiefs 838. Opp 734
Btw, I would be shocked if any team in the NFL doesn't have a scouting report on every football crew and their tendencies. Just like teams, crews do have different ways of calling games especially issues like holding and pass interference.
why would they do that? They don't need to, those fans stand by the team even w/o a superbowl win.Kansas Kid said:
If the NFL was rigged, wouldn't the most valuable franchise have been in the Super Bowl within the last 30 years?
Actually it wouldn't, it would just show that they have more critical penalties called than their opponents. Just like yardage doesn't mean you have a good offense or defense I think it's the same here.Kansas Kid said:
The problem with your thesis is the stats don't support it. Your thesis would say the Chiefs will get fewer penalties yards than their opponents.
2024 reg Season penalty yards Chiefs 829 Opp 849
2023 reg season. Chiefs 845 Opp 604
2022 reg season Chiefs 838. Opp 734
Btw, I would be shocked if any team in the NFL doesn't have a scouting report on every football crew and their tendencies. Just like teams, crews do have different ways of calling games especially issues like holding and pass interference.
Kansas Kid said:
If the NFL was rigged, wouldn't the most valuable franchise have been in the Super Bowl within the last 30 years?
hah.. who says roger goodall is behind some massive scheme?nai06 said:
Because this is all so very silly, lets play this out.
The suggestion is that the NFL (presumably Roger Goodell) is telling all of the officiating crews to favor the Chiefs in their games either by throwing more flags for their opponents, not calling penalties against the Chiefs, favoring them in terms of calls (catch v. incomplete, spots, etc) and making sure the replay booth is also supporting them. All because Taylor Swift is dating one of the players and the Chiefs now have a chance to go for a three peat and that will translate to more money for the NFL.
-The complaints about preferential treatment predate Taylor Swift dating Travis Kelce
-There are 138 NFL officials, that is a **** load of people to keep control of. At the very least you would have to have at the very least all of the head officials (17) on board as well as a good number of replay officials (17).
-What's the incentive for the officials to favor the Chiefs? Money?
How are you going to pay that many people and keep it under the table?
How will you keep them quiet and from talking?
What if they ask for more or threaten to talk?
You are asking officials to take a huge risk that would have them violate numerous state and federal laws. They would be looking a serious jail time, financial ruin, and most likely death threats. I wouldn't put it past someone to actually kill an official over something like this. This isn't college sports or one guy placing bets on a team like Pete Rose. This would be an actual wide scale criminal conspiracy that could ruin so many people and really harm the NFL.
It's all absurd nonsense.
nai06 said:
Because this is all so very silly, lets play this out.
The suggestion is that the NFL (presumably Roger Goodell) is telling all of the officiating crews to favor the Chiefs in their games either by throwing more flags for their opponents, not calling penalties against the Chiefs, favoring them in terms of calls (catch v. incomplete, spots, etc) and making sure the replay booth is also supporting them. All because Taylor Swift is dating one of the players and the Chiefs now have a chance to go for a three peat and that will translate to more money for the NFL.
-The complaints about preferential treatment predate Taylor Swift dating Travis Kelce
-There are 138 NFL officials, that is a **** load of people to keep control of. At the very least you would have to have at the very least all of the head officials (17) on board as well as a good number of replay officials (17).
-What's the incentive for the officials to favor the Chiefs? Money?
How are you going to pay that many people and keep it under the table?
How will you keep them quiet and from talking?
What if they ask for more or threaten to talk?
You are asking officials to take a huge risk that would have them violate numerous state and federal laws. They would be looking a serious jail time, financial ruin, and most likely death threats. I wouldn't put it past someone to actually kill an official over something like this. This isn't college sports or one guy placing bets on a team like Pete Rose. This would be an actual wide scale criminal conspiracy that could ruin so many people and really harm the NFL.
It's all absurd nonsense.
So because it might only be helpful on say 75% of the plays, they just don't do it at all?Kansas Kid said:
The problem with chipping the ball is it can't tell when a knee or other body part is down or if forward progress is truly stopped or if the player is retreating. Even in a play like the one in question, did it cross the line after the player was already down either by contact or forward momentum? The best chance you have if you are the NFL to get a play like the 4th down right is to have a camera right above the line to gain but that has other potential issues including safety if the camera falls like the skycams have had happen.
texagbeliever said:nai06 said:
Because this is all so very silly, lets play this out.
The suggestion is that the NFL (presumably Roger Goodell) is telling all of the officiating crews to favor the Chiefs in their games either by throwing more flags for their opponents, not calling penalties against the Chiefs, favoring them in terms of calls (catch v. incomplete, spots, etc) and making sure the replay booth is also supporting them. All because Taylor Swift is dating one of the players and the Chiefs now have a chance to go for a three peat and that will translate to more money for the NFL.
-The complaints about preferential treatment predate Taylor Swift dating Travis Kelce
-There are 138 NFL officials, that is a **** load of people to keep control of. At the very least you would have to have at the very least all of the head officials (17) on board as well as a good number of replay officials (17).
-What's the incentive for the officials to favor the Chiefs? Money?
How are you going to pay that many people and keep it under the table?
How will you keep them quiet and from talking?
What if they ask for more or threaten to talk?
You are asking officials to take a huge risk that would have them violate numerous state and federal laws. They would be looking a serious jail time, financial ruin, and most likely death threats. I wouldn't put it past someone to actually kill an official over something like this. This isn't college sports or one guy placing bets on a team like Pete Rose. This would be an actual wide scale criminal conspiracy that could ruin so many people and really harm the NFL.
It's all absurd nonsense.
You don't have to pay anyone. After each performance you grade based on protecting of NFL assets. Mahomes + Swift + Kelce is $$$. It would be insane to think the 50-50 calls wouldn't go there way.
Also in the regular season KC beat the falcons when their dB was allowed to tackle Pitts before the ball got there in the end zone. It was egregious.