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Honestly bro at that speed I'm sper shocked You made it out like you did. Usually a head over or back slap off a ninja Jib is a tooth or two and stiches from sliding over an edge. You took it a champ. You Learn How to fall and seems like your body got that part down.
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Bayou City said:
Honestly bro at that speed I'm sper shocked You made it out like you did. Usually a head over or back slap off a ninja Jib is a tooth or two and stiches from sliding over an edge. You took it a champ. You Learn How to fall and seems like your body got that part down.
Can't wait to use some of this lingo next time I'm a single and hooking up with some young skiers. Ninja jib is my new favorite.
did 56 in the spring...first run of the morning on a groomed and sunny slopeYesterday said:
Going down at 42 mph is rough! I hit the 40's a couple of times last week on some nice slick groomers early in the morning and each time I told myself, "this would really suck to eat it right now."
at the time... gave me 2 mph of breathing room... but felt fast!
now, not so much!
Easy way for speed is to go LONG (I'll go from 181 to 196) catch the fresh tracks on a Sub Zero day on cold wax and carbon find the courdy and and point and shoot it. Best time is before mountain safety puts out up the slow signs because then it's not ilegal. You can approach the stargate. Also don't ever tuck. It does nothing but make people know you no knowing. Good wax and you shouldnt ever have to tuck.
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Slightly different take on the tuck, in my experience there are some small times/areas where a tuck will buy you a small amount. Problem is 99.9% of people who try to tuck are doing it completely wrong which highlights the letting people "know you not knowing" what you're doing.Bayou City said:
Easy way for speed is to go LONG (I'll go from 181 to 196) catch the fresh tracks on a Sub Zero day on cold wax and carbon find the courdy and and point and shoot it. Best time is before mountain safety puts out up the slow signs because then it's not ilegal. You can approach the stargate. Also don't ever tuck. It doesn't nothing but make people know you no knowing. Good wax and you shouldnt ever have to tuck.
Yes - you're right. You nailed. It just looks different when people that are supposed to do it. It's effortless. I won't lie - I look like a fool when I tuck.
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I don't do it to go faster, and am not under the impression that I'm doing it correctly, it just feels more stable lowering your center of gravity.
At that point maybe it's just crouching more than it is tucking.
At that point maybe it's just crouching more than it is tucking.
I'm going to guess most people don't have the quads to hold good form and the balance to distribute their weight ideally when they get real low. The only time I do it is trying to coast over to lift 5 at Purg on that stretch of level ground and trying to get every bit of distance I can instead of having to pole quite as far, but it is really hard to tell if it matters or not. So many other little variables matter more.
Heres a good lens by Lighting map.
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If you're on the chairlift and see a snow baddie next to you wearing those, you Gotta have the mini Korbel and charcuterie board ready to whip out for yalls first date. They're BAD.
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If you're on the chairlift and see a snow baddie next to you wearing those, you Gotta have the mini Korbel and charcuterie board ready to whip out for yalls first date. They're BAD.
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I also find that when most people are tucking, what they really need is good wax. Good wax and they arent arent in that spot. I feel so awful when I'm on a cat walk or low slope incline and I'm passing boarders and tuckers left and right just standing up. I don't go at crazy speed but relative to them it's moving.
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This always amuses me. If you're in a tuck, you better be the fastest no matter what.Bayou City said:
I also find that when most people are tucking, what they really need is good wax. Good wax and they arent arent in that spot. I feel so awful when I'm on a cat walk or low slope incline and I'm passing boarders and tuckers left and right just standing up. I don't go at crazy speed but relative to them it's moving.
Hundreds of details to what a proper vs improper tuck will do. There's the aerodynamic part of course, but when you lower your center of gravity most people don't have the leg strength or experience to keep the skis flat and lower legs vertical and parallel (let alone their back parallel to the ground). You feel the stability likely because you pull your knees together and skis are still out so it's like on a car that cambers the wheels, increases resistance but greatly improves stability. You've dug the inner edges in so of course you're not as prone to surface imperfections.Aggie_Boomin 21 said:
I don't do it to go faster, and am not under the impression that I'm doing it correctly, it just feels more stable lowering your center of gravity.
At that point maybe it's just crouching more than it is tucking.
Alright. I'll bite. Everything I've ever learned regarding aerodynamics says tucking will reduce drag. Is that not the case?
This happened at Park City today, I'm on 191's that I just waxed before heading up here and was standing straight up coasting past everyone on the flats including quite a few in a tuck
This will reduce drag (also look at leg/ski positions)Yesterday said:
Alright. I'll bite. Everything I've ever learned regarding aerodynamics says tucking will reduce drag. Is that not the case?
This is what most people are doing but thinking they are above (lol)
One of my fav looks.
Sounds like a fun day.
Sounds like a fun day.
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Tecolote said:This will reduce drag (also look at leg/ski positions)Yesterday said:
Alright. I'll bite. Everything I've ever learned regarding aerodynamics says tucking will reduce drag. Is that not the case?
This is what most people are doing but thinking they are above (lol)
If picture B's skis are parallel will that be ok?
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Notice the arms out almost parallel to the face w the hands touching too. Thats a big one. You Gotta put your arms somewhere.
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No, not at all. Poles are vertical, hands down, back is at 45 angle, butt too high. Need poles in front of face to act like nose of a plane/bullet, back parallel to ground with poles also parallel so you're streamlined. That (A) position takes incredible thigh strength.Yesterday said:Tecolote said:This will reduce drag (also look at leg/ski positions)Yesterday said:
Alright. I'll bite. Everything I've ever learned regarding aerodynamics says tucking will reduce drag. Is that not the case?
This is what most people are doing but thinking they are above (lol)
If picture B's skis are parallel will that be ok?
A is like a fish in water. B is like a five gallon bucket.
Bayou City said:
Notice the arms out almost parallel to the face w the hands touching too. Thats a big one. You Gotta put your arms somewhere.
Tecolote said:No, not at all. Poles are vertical, hands down, back is at 45 angle, butt too high. Need poles in front of face to act like nose of a plane/bullet, back parallel to ground with poles also parallel so you're streamlined. That position takes incredible thigh strength.Yesterday said:Tecolote said:This will reduce drag (also look at leg/ski positions)Yesterday said:
Alright. I'll bite. Everything I've ever learned regarding aerodynamics says tucking will reduce drag. Is that not the case?
This is what most people are doing but thinking they are above (lol)
If picture B's skis are parallel will that be ok?
A is like a fish in water. B is like a five gallon bucket.
Sorry, I agree B is nothing like A but I still feel B has less drag than standing up, but I could be very wrong.
How much space You taking Up?
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The only thing that picture B does is make you more likely to get struck by lightning.
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Tecolote said:Hundreds of details to what a proper vs improper tuck will do. There's the aerodynamic part of course, but when you lower your center of gravity most people don't have the leg strength or experience to keep the skis flat and lower legs vertical and parallel (let alone their back parallel to the ground). You feel the stability likely because you pull your knees together and skis are still out so it's like on a car that cambers the wheels, increases resistance but greatly improves stability. You've dug the inner edges in so of course you're not as prone to surface imperfections.Aggie_Boomin 21 said:
I don't do it to go faster, and am not under the impression that I'm doing it correctly, it just feels more stable lowering your center of gravity.
At that point maybe it's just crouching more than it is tucking.
Again I don't claim to tuck right or really try to. My only point is a lower CG feels more stable in pretty much all positions. The classic "athletic stance". You're just harder to knock of balance. I don't think I'm ever doing what you're describing in the latter half of this regarding knee pronation, I'm pretty conscious of knee placement in general due to patellar tendinitis and years of heavy (to me) leg workouts.
I wasn't arguing with anyone on my earlier post, just offering why on the rare occasion I'll get low in some pseudo-tuck.
Ok so is B still better than standing up, all things equal? Honestly asking because I don't understand.
So, do I tuck coming off the lift or place arms and legs in an "X" pattern?
Never go into B mode unless you're in a dog fight for survival. Then it's allowed but then and only then. If a moose is chasing you down the hill and at the end you go B mode, I wouldn't be mad. Thats the survival I'm speaking of.
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If skis are parallel then air drag wise objectively yes. Weight mis-placement could make it worse increasing drag under ski, but hard to say I guess without seeing that goofy guy's upright stance to compare it to. I would guess advantage gained is negligible either way, but at the end of the day do what you want who cares.
Sorry to chime in and be an ass, but you're arguing with someone who obviously knows extremely well what they're talking about. Your response to me sounds like someone who's done a few stitches in leather arguing with a surgeon.Aggie_Boomin 21 said:Tecolote said:Hundreds of details to what a proper vs improper tuck will do. There's the aerodynamic part of course, but when you lower your center of gravity most people don't have the leg strength or experience to keep the skis flat and lower legs vertical and parallel (let alone their back parallel to the ground). You feel the stability likely because you pull your knees together and skis are still out so it's like on a car that cambers the wheels, increases resistance but greatly improves stability. You've dug the inner edges in so of course you're not as prone to surface imperfections.Aggie_Boomin 21 said:
I don't do it to go faster, and am not under the impression that I'm doing it correctly, it just feels more stable lowering your center of gravity.
At that point maybe it's just crouching more than it is tucking.
Again I don't claim to tuck right or really try to. My only point is a lower CG feels more stable in pretty much all positions. The classic "athletic stance". You're just harder to knock of balance. I don't think I'm ever doing what you're describing in the latter half of this regarding knee pronation, I'm pretty conscious of knee placement in general due to patellar tendinitis and years of heavy (to me) leg workouts.
I wasn't arguing with anyone on my earlier post, just offering why on the rare occasion I'll get low in some pseudo-tuck.
Bayou City said:
The only thing that picture B does is make you more likely to get struck by lightning.
I laughed
That goofy guy is what 90% of people trying to go into a tuck look like.Aggie_Boomin 21 said:
If skis are parallel then air drag wise objectively yes. Weight mis-placement could make it worse increasing drag under ski, but hard to say I guess without seeing that goofy guy's upright stance to compare it to. I would guess advantage gained is negligible either way, but at the end of the day do what you want who cares.
Your questions are something that without either having diagrams or actually being on the slope almost impossible to get through to a novice skier. Sorry - not trying to be an ass.
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