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Removing suppressors from NFA

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lazuras_dc said:

Back to year plus waits on stamps now that they're "free"??


Yeah...unintended consequences. But it sounds like DOGE is getting around to the ATF now so maybe there is hope.
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They're still fighting for it.




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javajaws said:

lazuras_dc said:

Back to year plus waits on stamps now that they're "free"??


Yeah...unintended consequences. But it sounds like DOGE is getting around to the ATF now so maybe there is hope.


The biggest UC is that just changing the tax to zero opens the door for dems to add a bunch of digits in front of that number next time they have power. Then it all becomes unobtanium.
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Well, now it's over.
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What did we end up with?
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TheMemeGuy said:

What did we end up with?


Just the tax amount change from 200 to 0.

If you are interested...

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TheMemeGuy said:

What did we end up with?
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Saw this am that GOA/NRA/ASA/NSSF are filing a lawsuit on the order that now that there is no tax stamp the NFA has no substance to have registration.
I am probably wording all that wrong but I watched two podcast on it this am.
It says what they did by taking the tax stamp away may have opened the door for getting the registration removed.
Guess we will see how that all plays out.
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Andrew sounds lame
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TheMemeGuy said:

Andrew sounds lame


He's the one who has been fighting the hardest for this.
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I mean, I appreciate it but all this compromise is why our gov sucks right now. I'll take anything we can get and hopefully GOA and everyone else helping can get the repel done on the NFA title

You're right Alaska, I'm just annoyed with the situation as whole.
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Gunny456 said:

Saw this am that GOA/NRA/ASA/NSSF are filing a lawsuit on the order that now that there is no tax stamp the NFA has no substance to have registration.
I am probably wording all that wrong but I watched two podcast on it this am.
It says what they did by taking the tax stamp away may have opened the door for getting the registration removed.
Guess we will see how that all plays out.


That is a path for sure. The issue is how long it will take to get through the courts. As I said earlier, if the dems get power back before the suit is wrapped up, they can just change the tax back to some arbitrary number (which will likely be way higher that $200) and then the suit is moot.
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I agree 100%. I really blame Thune and JD Vance for not standing up for this in the senate.

At this point I don't really even know what the point is in voting any more. It's the same ****, different letter behind the name.
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Roger that. We can hope huh?
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It's a smoke show, everyone there takes care of everyone in that room and they all get rich doing it. Oh well, off my soap box, back to year long waits and backordered inventory.

ETA: I really think the majority of hunters and enthusiasts are seen as villains in a lot of eyes and these items (while make our lives better and easier) are seen as bad bad bad. So they are taking the stuff out to make re-election easier or to remain in good standing with the populace to get other things done

ETA2: I suck at spelling
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TheMemeGuy said:

I mean, I appreciate it but all this compromise is why our gov sucks right now. I'll take anything we can get and hopefully GOA and everyone else helping can get the repel done on the NFA title


Uhm. I know this is the OB and we don't talk politics too much on the OB. And I know that this is frustrating and I also really wanted to be able to go to Academy and buy a suppressor. And hopefully we can get there now.

But brotha, Our ability to govern by compromise is 249 years old and has produced the best country in the history of the world. Compromise is how we got here and the only way forward. I would argue that too many people forgetting that fact is real reason our government sucks right now.

End of rant and promise not to reply since this the OB and that's a political post.
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You're right, just annoyed by the process and how we always get the short end of the stick. But it's part of the process and just need to keep fighting that good fight.
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Over government is so inept it's sickening. This was easy but they can't do anything with a bit of common sense. Should have known better than to even hope bureaucrats would remove bureaucracy.
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Anyone know when this will be effective? As soon as it's signed? Got a couple pistols I want to SBR.
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The Sun said:

I agree 100%. I really blame Thune and JD Vance for not standing up for this in the senate.

At this point I don't really even know what the point is in voting any more. It's the same ****, different letter behind the name.
The Republicans are truly pathetic, but we're getting cheaper tax stamps for NFA items, at least temporarily. With Democrats given full authority they'd repeal the 2nd amendment and try to confiscate all firearms with their brownshirts. There is a point to voting against the communist Dbags even if we don't get everything we want.
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So what ended up happening? Did the tax get removed?
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javajaws
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Yeah I'm hopeful we can win through the courts now that that part of the NFA can't be considered a tax. If its not a tax it serves no purpose. Lets push this through the Trump DOJ and get them to let it get thrown out by the courts.
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The Sun said:


GOA and FPC are the true sentinels of the 2nd amendment, they are everything the NRA claims to be. A fraction of the size yet triple effective. Defense of freedom must be relentless and uncompromising, something those folks do very well.
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TheMemeGuy said:

It's a smoke show, everyone there takes care of everyone in that room and they all get rich doing it. Oh well, off my soap box, back to year long waits and backordered inventory.

ETA: I really think the majority of hunters and enthusiasts are seen as villains in a lot of eyes and these items (while make our lives better and easier) are seen as bad bad bad. So they are taking the stuff out to make re-election easier or to remain in good standing with the populace to get other things done

ETA2: I suck at spelling
Every anti-gun nut is claiming the allowing just anyone to purchase a suppressor will inhibit law enforcements ability to respond to an active shooter b/c the gun will be "silenced" and no one will hear it. Idiots.
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Help an idiot. So, I still need a stamp and registration to have a suppressor or SBR…..but it's free ?
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Jason_Roofer said:

Help an idiot. So, I still need a stamp and registration to have a suppressor or SBR…..but it's free ?


Yep
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Jason_Roofer said:

Help an idiot. So, I still need a stamp and registration to have a suppressor or SBR…..but it's free ?
its the typical genius of our government. They removed the tax (income), but kept the registration (cost). No wonder we are trillions in debt with no sign getting out.

I would like to say that this was just a chess move to get it to pass, and then let the courts kill the NFA, but they don't care that much. It was just an attempt to play the middle.
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shalackin said:

Jason_Roofer said:

Help an idiot. So, I still need a stamp and registration to have a suppressor or SBR…..but it's free ?
its the typical genius of our government. They removed the tax (income), but kept the registration (cost). No wonder we are trillions in debt with no sign getting out.

I would like to say that this was just a chess move to get it to pass, and then let the courts kill the NFA, but they don't care that much. It was just an attempt to play the middle.
Everyone talks about 'chess moves' I don't think anyone in our government has the ability to walk and chew gum at the same time much less worry about thinking ahead. You are right. It's a basic negotiation.....ask for everything so you can settle for 'good enough for now'. If there is no money attached to it, then how can it be required to be registered? It just seems stupid. Isnt the NFA nearly a century old?
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Is it a chess move or a baby step?


Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems:
1. House republicans put it into the bbb to get it all removed

2. Senate parliamentarian strikes it due to some language she didn't like

3. Senate passes it

4. House at least puts the $200 tax removal back in

5 house passes it ?
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oh no said:

Is it a chess move or a baby step?


Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems:
1. House republicans put it into the bbb to get it all removed

2. Senate parliamentarian strikes it due to some language she didn't like

3. Senate passes it

4. House at least puts the $200 tax removal back in

5 house passes it ?


Believe your number 4 should read that the Senate put removal back in, not House
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bkag9824 said:

Jason_Roofer said:

Help an idiot. So, I still need a stamp and registration to have a suppressor or SBR…..but it's free ?


Yep


Will it still take a long time to get one?
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TXAG 05 said:

bkag9824 said:

Jason_Roofer said:

Help an idiot. So, I still need a stamp and registration to have a suppressor or SBR…..but it's free ?


Yep


Will it still take a long time to get one?


Wait times have already been like a few days to couple weeks havent they?
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I think the hope is that GOA and others that filed the lawsuit will win. and then politicians will claim victory like they did it that way on purpose. the real truth is they alls suck and if they aren't getting money or power out of something, they don't care.
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When does the law reducing the tax stamp take effect?
 
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