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Texas father dies in accidental shooting on hunting trip, daughter says family is 'heartbroken'

So when I read the article I understood that his rifle went off as he was removing it from his vehicle. Was he pulling it out by the barrel? And what would have pulled the trigger?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-father-dies-accidental-shooting-hunting-trip-daughter-says-family-heartbroken
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Very similar accident happened on a well known hunting ranch in the hill country about 10-12 years ago. A lady was shot when a rifle was pulled out of the case in the back of a suburban muzzle first and it went off shooting her in the lower abdomen. Thankfully she did survive.
Can't ever take your mind off firearm safety. Never ever. You can't call that bullet back.
Prayers for the family.
tandy miller
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A woman in my hometown died a couple weeks ago unloading a shotgun from her car.
agsalaska
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Sad.
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Transporting a chambered firearm excepting a personal carry handgun isn't a great idea. There's a tendency to forget it is loaded and chambered or for someone else to be unaware and for something to snag or get bumped moving it about.

It is so easy to forget if you aren't meticulously careful. I remeber once having my heart almost jump out of my chest when I picked up a rifle to load it and a live round came flying out when I opened the bolt.
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When we were doing hunts on our ranch we required that all rifles be unloaded ( empty chamber, bolts open, empty magazines and a finger stuck in the chamber and the confirmation of both myself and the hunter and the words " Safe Gun" spoken) before entering or exiting the blind.
We actually had some smart asses argue that they didn't need to do that.
Jason_Roofer
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That sucks. Rule one of gun safety, if followed, can even render a Remington 700 safe.
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Gunny456 said:

When we were doing hunts on our ranch we required that all rifles be unloaded ( empty chamber, bolts open, empty magazines and a finger stuck in the chamber and the confirmation of both myself and the hunter and the words " Safe Gun" spoken) before entering or exiting the blind.
We actually had some smart asses argue that they didn't need to do that.

We have the same rule. We had a neighbor several years ago that a hunter sent a round off as he was exiting the blind and ended up hitting the guide, he survived but it was not a great day. There isn't a single reason in the world to be climbing ladders with a loaded round in the chamber for a hunt. We aren't Marines.

This one and the never cleaning a gun in the same room with ammo is another hard rule of mine.
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MouthBQ98 said:

Transporting a chambered firearm excepting a personal carry handgun isn't a great idea. There's a tendency to forget it is loaded and chambered or for someone else to be unaware and for something to snag or get bumped moving it about.

It is so easy to forget if you aren't meticulously careful. I remeber once having my heart almost jump out of my chest when I picked up a rifle to load it and a live round came flying out when I opened the bolt.

I get shamed for this every time it comes up for Never keeping a chambered round except when hunting or shooting. Rifle, shotgun, and pistol. Home and vehicle
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Yes sir!
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Sound, safe wisdom.
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I cringe every time I see photos of hunters with their rifle propped up on their harvest AND THE BOLT IS CLOSED.

Especially with youth hunters.

Open the damn action!
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SanAntoneAg said:

I cringe every time I see photos of hunters with their rifle propped up on their harvest AND THE BOLT IS CLOSED.

Especially with youth hunters.

Open the damn action!
half the time with the barrel pointed at them
NoahAg
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Tragic.

I don't hunt; only have handguns. But what is the justification for keeping a hunting rifle chambered during transport? Very sad incident. Very stupid too.
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tandy miller said:

SanAntoneAg said:

I cringe every time I see photos of hunters with their rifle propped up on their harvest AND THE BOLT IS CLOSED.

Especially with youth hunters.

Open the damn action!
half the time with the barrel pointed at them


Exactly!
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NoahAg said:

Tragic.

I don't hunt; only have handguns. But what is the justification for keeping a hunting rifle chambered during transport? Very sad incident. Very stupid too.


Too much trouble
Can't see because it's dark
Might need it in case a big buck comes out when you're walking back to the truck
Lazy
Complacency


Any number of reasons. It's my opinion that almost all accidents are due to complacency which leads unsafe practices.
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Tried to find them but there have been a couple or more of these threads in my relatively short time perusing this board. I think the last one was a younger person, but was similar situation if I remember. Sad all.the way around, but.completely avoidable if practicing safe firearm handling.
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Yeah and hunting buddy of mine have worried about this hog hunting at night. Riding around in jeep or sxs, it would be so much easier to be chambered and ready to go and quieter if you get out then don't need to cycle the AR. But it's just too risky and easy to mess up.
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Tragic story. I always revert to the four Marine Corps safety rules. Break three and you're still alive. You have to break all four to die. Number one is the most important. Travel with a loaded weapon or not, treat it as if it were loaded then you don't have to remember if it is or not.

1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
2. Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you intend to fire.
3. Never point your weapon at anything you don't intend to shoot.
4. Keep your weapon on safe until you intend to fire.
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We have the same rule.
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MouthBQ98 said:

Transporting a chambered firearm excepting a personal carry handgun isn't a great idea. There's a tendency to forget it is loaded and chambered or for someone else to be unaware and for something to snag or get bumped moving it about.

It is so easy to forget if you aren't meticulously careful. I remeber once having my heart almost jump out of my chest when I picked up a rifle to load it and a live round came flying out when I opened the bolt.

Try having it go off. Happened to me. Fortunately I was only breaking one rule and not four. The gun was sandy and there was a round in the chamber that did not eject when I opened the bolt. I cleared the gun and pulled the trigger thinking it was empty. Sent a 30-06 into the heavens.

To your point CCW guns should be holstered too. Any gun not in a holster should be unloaded.
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A number of years ago, my brother and I were going opening day of dove season. He had several vehicles following our guide to the field. He had a flat tire so pulled over. I was next behind him so he threw his shotgun in my back seat and went back to his for something. My brother checked the gun. It was loaded AND the safety was off. My brother unloaded it.

That night we went to dinner with my brother's friends. The guide had something odd with his hand that I thought might be a birth defect. One of my brother's friends knew his background. He'd blown off part of his hand…with a shotgun. You'd think he would have learned. Can't fix stupid
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Yesterday said:

Tragic story. I always revert to the four Marine Corps safety rules. Break three and you're still alive. You have to break all four to die. Number one is the most important. Travel with a loaded weapon or not, treat it as if it were loaded then you don't have to remember if it is or not.

1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
2. Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you intend to fire.
3. Never point your weapon at anything you don't intend to shoot.
4. Keep your weapon on safe until you intend to fire.

This. I have taught dozens of people to shoot now and use this very method that was beaten into me. Did tack on the fifth "iron" rule afterwards as it is just as smart in the civilian world.

5. Know your target and what lies beyond.

Treat, Never, Keep, Keep, Know.

Little ditty that is easy to memorize for all shooters.
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When I was growing up, we lost a friend in a horrific and tragic accident. This man would take his nephew to hunt on a lease in Campbellton / Atascosa County. One day as they were preparing to leave camp at the lease, the nephew was sliding his loaded .243 Win into a scabbard at the back of the vehicle with the muzzle headed towards the front left of the vehicle. Right where Morris was standing. BOOM. Hits Morris in thigh. Young boy (early teens) puts him in the vehicle and drives to Pleasanton. Morris passes away in the ER.


Absolutely tragic and totally preventable.

As a side note, I know of 2 other negligent discharges in lease vehicles bouncing around roads. Neither hurt anyone.

Be careful out there. Gun safety is for everyone.
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jpistolero02
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My grandfather had a close call in his blind with the infamous Remington 700 trigger. Luckily it exited the roof of the blind without going through his head. That scared the hell out of me. When he passed and I inherited that rifle, I chunked that trigger.
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Yesterday said:

Tragic story. I always revert to the four Marine Corps safety rules. Break three and you're still alive. You have to break all four to die. Number one is the most important. Travel with a loaded weapon or not, treat it as if it were loaded then you don't have to remember if it is or not.

1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
2. Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you intend to fire.
3. Never point your weapon at anything you don't intend to shoot.
4. Keep your weapon on safe until you intend to fire.

This was drilled into me by my Marine dad. #3 was, too, but the first one has always stuck with me.
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This might sound cold, but it needs to be said...

This isn't an accident, it's negligence.

I rarely use the term "accidental shooting" as they are nearly always due to negligence (there are a few but they are few and far between)
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Yesterday said:

Tragic story. I always revert to the four Marine Corps safety rules. Break three and you're still alive. You have to break all four to die. Number one is the most important. Travel with a loaded weapon or not, treat it as if it were loaded then you don't have to remember if it is or not.

1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
2. Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you intend to fire.
3. Never point your weapon at anything you don't intend to shoot.
4. Keep your weapon on safe until you intend to fire.


I learned this as a kid but didn't know it was from the marines.

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cable locks when transporting/ traveling in vehicle.

combat wombat™
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A guy I went to HS with died when he was taking a loaded shotgun/rifle (can't recall which) out of a vehicle. This happened years after HS.
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Been a long time the incident with the popular OB poster Terlingua occured.
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jpistolero02 said:

My grandfather had a close call in his blind with the infamous Remington 700 trigger. Luckily it exited the roof of the blind without going through his head. That scared the hell out of me. When he passed and I inherited that rifle, I chunked that trigger.


Same with me. I thought for years I had somehow pulled the trigger, even though I was opening the bolt..,
agsalaska
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Yo wussup Ursus.


Yea these things keep happening and it never get easier. I've had a few accidents and they are scary as ****.

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It's a fight for me to get my wife on with me taking my 3 boys hunting (right now only the oldest (5) but eventually all of them.) I really do it up big with safety to get her comfortable.

But it does scare me that I've heard a looooot of these stories from places like this and several that have happened around me and to friends/family.

Man. Sucks. Even if you're being safe, someone around you not being safe can change/end life in an instant.

Can never stop being vigilant.
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And be careful who you hunt with… my gun safety only goes so far if I'm hunting with idiots
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