Bitcoin mining is worse case scenario, but it being a data center isn't good either.
Hornbeck said:
So, the CEO of Priority Power came out on KBTX, and said, "this is an AI data center".
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Priority Power is an independent energy management services and consulting firm. We act as an extension of our client's staff to develop and implement strategies that mitigate risk and overcome challenges associated with managing energy data, supply, demand, and delivery infrastructure. By leveraging our deep experience and resources, combined with unsurpassed commitment, Priority delivers financial and operational improvements to our clients as their trusted energy advisors.
powerbelly said:
Bitcoin mining is worse case scenario, but it being a data center isn't good either.
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Tarboro, North Carolina, residents are urging their town council to reject a proposal for a 50-acre, 300-megawatt Energy Storage Solutions LLC site projected to bring 500 jobs and millions of dollars in tax revenue to the town.
"This project poses significant risks that outweigh any potential benefits, not only to those living nearby but to the entire town," Cynthia Coker wrote in a statement attached to a Change.org petition she created. "The serene environment, character, and community cohesion we cherish in Tarboro could be dramatically altered by the presence of such a massive facility."
Coker went on to say, "Data centers are notorious for consuming enormous amounts of electricity and water, leading to increased utility rates and depletion of local resources."
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/north-caroilna-residents-fight-back-against-massive-tech-project-potentially-coming-their-town
exMachina said:
I have been struggling with the question of who exactly wants this deal. In the grand scheme of things, 30 million is peanuts. To reinforce this point, this would correspond to $250 per College Station resident, assuming Priority Power buys the entire lot.
Then, why would the city want a project like this? I think the obvious answer was given by Bob Yancy during the town hall. He described the city government as a service provider, offering services such as trash collection, water, and electricity. From this perspective, acquiring a client that would likely require more services than all of their current "customers" makes sense to them. The only issue here is that, unlike a private utility company, maximizing revenues is not consistent with maximizing the well-being of its stakeholders (us/residents of College Station). A simple example would be that the city could raise the cost of electricity tomorrow and likely generate more revenue, and most residents would not be better off.
Another reason to proceed with the sale is that the benefits from the transaction will be accrued soon, likely with this administration. In contrast, the costs will accrue in years to come, likely with another administration. Moreover, the current administration could always argue that they built in the correct measures into the contract, but their successors failed to regulate the data center/crypto mine effectively.
woodiewood1 said:
Many data center are built at bitcoin mining sites due to the availability of energy infrastructure being already available to a degree, but you can have a data center and not be at all involved in crypto mining activities. In fact most aren't.
"It's impossible to provide an exact number of data centers that are not Bitcoin miners because there is no publicly available, real-time global registry of all data centers and their specific functions. However, the vast majority of data centers globally are not Bitcoin miners. Bitcoin mining data centers are a niche segment of the overall data center market, which supports a wide range of other services like cloud computing, email, and video calls. "
We need to stop the commenting that this is a bitcoin mining operation, but a data center that is going to use both water and electricity that is not currently available and might severely affect the future electricity and water needs of our growing city,
The agreement with the site tenant/owner needs to state that CS utilities will not supply any water or electricity to the operation. Let them generate their own or buy electricity on the open market and drill their own water well.
I think the location is the wrong location for a data center, but it isn't necessarily a bitcoin mining operation,
MUAG said:
Mr Yancy, you do realize all the numbers you will see from folks involved will be highly optimistic about the project and diminish the very real problems of water and power consumption and noise long term. All those producing the numbers stand to benefit if the project is approved. City employees will be thinking of nice raises from the influx of money.
.Posters here have done a nice job of pointing out the long term damage that would result from this project being approved. Please listen to them.
MUAG said:
Mr Yancy, you do realize all the numbers you will see from folks involved will be highly optimistic about the project and diminish the very real problems of water and power consumption and noise long term. All those producing the numbers stand to benefit if the project is approved. City employees will be thinking of nice raises from the influx of money.
.Posters here have done a nice job of pointing out the long term damage that would result from this project being approved. Please listen to them.
maroon barchetta said:MUAG said:
Mr Yancy, you do realize all the numbers you will see from folks involved will be highly optimistic about the project and diminish the very real problems of water and power consumption and noise long term. All those producing the numbers stand to benefit if the project is approved. City employees will be thinking of nice raises from the influx of money.
.Posters here have done a nice job of pointing out the long term damage that would result from this project being approved. Please listen to them.
Does he regret starting this thread? Probably not, it got the word out and made him look better than the rest of the council and the mayor.
However, he can no longer (along with his usual fanboy) point at "a handful of naysayers" being the only people in opposition to this plan, while claiming to have heard a lot of positives from outside this thread.
The Aggieland Board has not had a thread like this since…maybe ever? Never has this board been so united.
Everyone has done a good job of making their displeasure known. And their distrust of city leadership.
I would also like to thank Staff for letting this thread take the direction it took without them having to step in.
Bob Yancy said:MUAG said:
Mr Yancy, you do realize all the numbers you will see from folks involved will be highly optimistic about the project and diminish the very real problems of water and power consumption and noise long term. All those producing the numbers stand to benefit if the project is approved. City employees will be thinking of nice raises from the influx of money.
.Posters here have done a nice job of pointing out the long term damage that would result from this project being approved. Please listen to them.
I'm sorry I have not responded to the (literally) thousands of emails that we have received but I just saw your question. Yes I take everything with a grain of salt. I'm neck deep in a 1000 page agenda right now. See y'all tonight.
Respectfully
Yancy '95
doubledog said:
So let's clear this up, before the big council meeting.Is there anything I have missed?
- Priority power, a energy management service, wants to build a data center.
- Priority power or one of its agents will then lease out space in the center for one or more clients.
- The citizens of College Station, have no idea who will be the lessee(s) are or will be (at this time).
- We the citizens, through CoCS utilities, will need to provide power and water to Priority power, which we may or may not presently have.
- We the citizens will need to put up with the noise pollution the data center will generate.
- We the citizens will not have a say in this at all, except to speak at the meeting.
ElephantRider said:doubledog said:
So let's clear this up, before the big council meeting.Is there anything I have missed?
- Priority power, a energy management service, wants to build a data center.
- Priority power or one of its agents will then lease out space in the center for one or more clients.
- The citizens of College Station, have no idea who will be the lessee(s) are or will be (at this time).
- We the citizens, through CoCS utilities, will need to provide power and water to Priority power, which we may or may not presently have.
- We the citizens will need to put up with the noise pollution the data center will generate.
- We the citizens will not have a say in this at all, except to speak at the meeting.
They're facilitating this deal for someone who wants to build a data center. They do not build or operate data centers
91_Aggie said:
Bryan Woods, once again, working behind the scenes to ruin our city. Why is he still employed??
doubledog said:
So let's clear this up, before the big council meeting.Is there anything I have missed?
- Priority power, a energy management service, is facilitating a deal for someone (unnamed) who wants to build a data center.
- The unnamed agent may lease out space in the center for one or more clients (we do not know).
- The citizens of College Station, have no idea who will be the lessee(s) are or will be (at this time).
- We the citizens, through CoCS utilities, will need to provide power and water to Priority power, which we may or may not presently have.
- We the citizens will need to put up with the noise pollution the data center will generate.
- We the citizens will not have a say in this at all, except to speak at the meeting.
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This will affect BTU customers as well; we're all in this together from a grid perspective. Right now, only a limited amount of power can get into BCS. CSU, the DC, or whoever can go purchase all of the power contracts they want, but right now only so much would actually be able to get into town. Our import paths consist of a double-circuit 138kV line to the TMPA Jack Creek Switch and a handful of single-circuit 138s from Gibbons Creek. BTU and CSU can only bring in a certain amount, and this facility alone would use almost double the amount that the entire CoCS uses now.
Aggieland Proud said:
Sorry, everyone, but I am still stuck on why in the he!! is the City of College Station in the real estate business. I'll catch up someday! See you tonight!!
Koko Chingo said:
On the 'provide power' power piece. It gets muddy. SB6 discusses this but is not perfectly clear. It says they will have to 'contribute'.
To me that doesn't sound like pay for everything, and I would imagine they were only going to bring in the minimum required. This is all regulated by ERCOT and the Texas PUC.
Depending on their agreement with ERCOT, We may also have to pay the new place place millions to throttle back during an emergency. Which has not yet been defined. But the city city has no say in what an emergency is that is up to ercot. They are still finalizing the rulebook to be implemented January 1. So we don't even know what all the implications are until that is implemented.
Also ERCOT doesn't regulate the water. I guess that's all CSU.
Trying to cram while they all had a year + to prepare