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So a private business can't decide who they provide service to or what those patrons wear in their establishment? That is the argument from people screaming at fever pitch about FREEEEEEEEDOM?

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this seems to be the primary issue with both sides. the imposition of their belief system on everyone. those on the right are probably more hypocritical in doing so, as they espouse personal responsibility and accountability but get bent out of shape when a person or business chooses something that is incongruent with their own belief. those on the left just flat out say it from the get go.

look, a**hole, there is no room for rational conversation about middle ground in this thread. Welcome to 2022, where society is completely shut down, all people must wear masks, and my dip **** MIL, BIL, SIL, grandma and dog decided to get a covid test and are utter buffoons for even considering doing such. Time to party in my back yard with 40 people, no masks allowed....take that geriatric moron Biden, I'll show you who is bauss. And Ill go to HEB without my damn mask if I so please and laugh at all the shopping sheeple.

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Time to party in my back yard with 40 people, no masks allowed

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My kinda weekend.

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So a private business can't decide who they provide service to or what those patrons wear in their establishment? That is the argument from people screaming at fever pitch about FREEEEEEEEDOM?

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this seems to be the primary issue with both sides. the imposition of their belief system on everyone. those on the right are probably more hypocritical in doing so, as they espouse personal responsibility and accountability but get bent out of shape when a person or business chooses something that is incongruent with their own belief. those on the left just flat out say it from the get go.

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The age of coddling the fearful needs to end. Wearing masks and going along with shutdowns/mandates is akin to dropping an alcoholic off at the bar. You aren't forcing them to be afraid, but you certainly aren't helping them overcome their irrational fear.

It's gonna be a good year.

What happens when all of these school districts have teachers fired for not taking the vaccine?

Is there even a plan in place at these schools and districts for losing all of them?

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What happens when all of these school districts have teachers fired for not taking the vaccine?

Is there even a plan in place at these schools and districts for losing all of them?

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Yes! Private schools need to know how many new classrooms to start building now to compensate.

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So a private business can't decide who they provide service to or what those patrons wear in their establishment? That is the argument from people screaming at fever pitch about FREEEEEEEEDOM?

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this seems to be the primary issue with both sides. the imposition of their belief system on everyone. those on the right are probably more hypocritical in doing so, as they espouse personal responsibility and accountability but get bent out of shape when a person or business chooses something that is incongruent with their own belief. those on the left just flat out say it from the get go.

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You're go****n right I get upset over it. When it is coerced, influenced or based on lies/faulty data in the first place. If a business truly feels something is best for them, okay. I understand that. No shoes, no shirt, no service is something that is clearly based on the business themselves thinking it's best for their establishment. Mask and vaccine mandates have clearly been outside forces influencing those decision on MOST businesses. Sure, some might choose it anyways, but not most.

But when outside influences by hypochondriacs or overbearing governments based on faulty data, or businesses worried about litigation, I'll fight back.

Again, I would not give a rats ass what anyone else did, and would merely avoid going to businesses that forced it on their own, if that belief wasn't forced down our throats with mandates / rules / regulations for two years. But sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

Aw, based on lies and faulty data. That's the thing. It honesty doesn't matter what anybody says, shows, etc. Their absolutely is no middle ground. Nobody cares about the source or credibility, they just care about the message. And does that message agree with what I believe or not.

Perfect example: early in the pandemic the government and media were flipping **** about overrun hospitals. The Texas medical center came out and publicly had to say pump the breaks, we're ok. Yes we're at traditional capacity but we have surge capacity for these vary cases and are fine.

Texags: see, government and media are idiots. Listen to the experts. This is one of the largest and best medical centers in the world! They say we're fine. I believe them.

Fast forward: medical center says hospitalizations are worrisome and public needs to do what they can to help keep the peak down. We don't have the staff to keep at this, etc. Texags all of a sudden thinks the hospitals are corrupt and only one sided. They're purposely miscounting cases because they get more government money. They are admitting people who shouldn't be admitted and don't know how to treat Covid to keep people out of the hospital in the first place. They're purposely suppressing treatments that actually work to push a vaccine, I mean follow the money!

Yes, masks are most definitely based on lies and faulty data, with no real world data to prove it.

Closing down schools also based on lies and faulty data.

Care to refute?

Seasonal virus is seasonal

You want to live like this forever, by all means go for it. Alter your behavior. Again, I don't give a f***.

And hospitals have been at or near capacity our entire lives.

What you won't hear from the hospitals or anyone else, is how they lost a good portion of their staff due to firings or resignation because of mandates. This is not the same situation as 2020.

They could build a whole tent city on NRG grounds and that still wouldn't help because they wouldn't have the staff.

That isn't a personal attack. You seem to be getting triggered, so you take it as one. Again, I don't care what you do. I might throw a f*** in there out of frustration because for two years others have shamed me for not doing what they want, or allowed governments to make rules I don't agree with, but that isn't an attack.

I simply ask that governments stop all intervention and that the vast majority of it was mere show, with no results to back it up. Nothing more, nothing less. But when government intervention(that I disagree with) is met with no backlash to the point where it infiltrates my life, I fight back. Or again faulty data that continues to ignore how lockdowns or measures we are taking in America (short of Wuhan style lockdowns) clearly don't work as death rates are mixed with higher intervention states vs states that literally did nothing, Yes, those are lies and faulty data, that some still believe are necessary

No, again, we made a bad situation worse. I swear by my statement that literally doing nothing at all would have been better overall for society. Well, nothing from a mandated standpoint, but again merely just informing the average person what they can do to increase their health and what data we have as to who it is really affecting.

you know, like the playbook for how to handle a pandemic pre-2020 always said to do.

This is my last post because I've already spent way more time and effort on this thread than I care to, but a chart directly from the Texas Medical Center showing the actual number of new hospitalizations with COVID per week and the total number of patients with COVID in the hospital isn't data?

It's data without context. Again, with, or because of? That's what needs to be dug into, because all across the world it's showing to be decoupling more and more since this thing began.

So yeah. It isn't the data we should be looking for. And again, does it show the difference in total hospitalizations now, and say December of 2019 during the last flu season before covid?

But does it distinguish between being in the hospital WITH Covid or FOR Covid?

A pandemic so bad we're able to fire tens of thousands of health care workers. Which makes total sense.

You want to know why I fight it?

We just had a 175 person party a month ago. Minimal to no masks. Statistically speaking, anywhere from 3-8 people were guaranteed to have had covid at that time. yet, nothing.

Now, one person who was in our office on tuesday tests positive. A fully vaccinated person. Literally every single person in our office is vaccinated. Now, we went from maybe 20% wearing masks before, to everyone but me and one other person not wearing them. I have been approached by my manager a few times hinting at encouraging me to the point of trying to force me to wear one, without actually putting his foot down and telling me to do so.

Yeah, that's why I fight back against this stuff. Put one on. I don't care. Don't try to convince me that the same people being around each other 9-10 hours a day, if one of us had covid, wearing this mask the entire day would make a difference. There's no data that even comes close to showing that would be the case. Even if masks worked, they wouldn't prevent enough aerosols to make any kind of real world difference. Yet, because of data manipulation, and outright lies over their effectiveness, everyone in the office is wearing one and thinks I should be too.

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You want to know why I fight it?

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Not really, no. But by all means, keep posting more about your random medical opinions on the internet.

Medical opinions? I'm not positing medical opinions. I'm posting opinions on life balance. But thanks. There's the typical extreme post with no middle ground. Nowhere did I say what you should do medically for yourself.

Damn. I though Joe Biden said he was going to shut down the virus…not the country.

But here we are.