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Does this story have a happy ending where someone called CPS?
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So still lower per case, and even considering our own coronabro pandemic extenders like Fauci mentioning more and more how so many are with covid, not because of covid now. Just a side effect of testing everyone.

Dig deeper, and find the actual per case hospitalization and death rates. they are much, much lower this time around.
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Really it's hard to make anything of that data. As of now, yes, lower per case. But with it being the begin of the "surge" and the holidays who really knows. When data is released next Monday we'll know a lot more. Was this data lagging because of the New Year holiday? Are these hospitalizations less severe in that patients are released sooner so capacity stays open? If everything stays equal though to previous waves, though, hospitals will find themselves in a similar situation, if not worse, just based on that initial data.
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The only reason people are in the hospital is because they have been fed bull**** from the left the last 2 years.

I can rattle off 40 people easily that have got this the last 4 weeks, young, old, fat, skinny, cancer, healthy, autoimmune etc. not one ****ing person is taking anything other than over the counter meds and vitamins.

Guess how many deaths....
That's right a big fat 0
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The average person with Covid is in the hospital because that's the advice they are getting from their family doctors. I know because that's exactly what I was told.

As much as we've exalted the medical community during this, there's also a lot of really bad Healthcare going on right now as well.

Covid Healthcare is as polarizing and political as Biden / Trump from both sides. Your polarizing statement as just one example which does nothing but continue to fan the flames. And that's wrong.

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Definitely a lot of bad healthcare, not disagreeing there. But I'd also wager a big part of it is people no longer even have family doctors. They rely on urgent care clinics every time they get sick. They don't do yearly checkups and build up the relationship with a doctor so they know the doctor and the doctor knows them, or at least has a chart they can reference to see medical history.
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AgLA06 said:

The average person with Covid is in the hospital because that's the advice they are getting from their family doctors. I know because that's exactly what I was told.

As much as we've exalted the medical community during this, there's also a lot of really bad Healthcare going on right now as well.


Covid is over, this is the flu or a cold.
Doctors are just trying to cya because the OG was so dangerous.

Healthcare providers 2 years ago would haven't sent home 99% of these people with tami flu and some steroids
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Yes. Many doctors tell patients to stay home and rest or go to the ER if you feel bad enough. So, scared people head to the ER. We had to go outside of their typical care group to find decent at home care for my grandmother. Her PCP "wasn't allowed" to prescribe Paxlovid and said they'd "try to get her on a list" for mAB. Abhorrent medical care.
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The main reason hospitalizations are up is because people in the hospital get covid.
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Rustys-Beef-o-Reeno said:

AgLA06 said:

The average person with Covid is in the hospital because that's the advice they are getting from their family doctors. I know because that's exactly what I was told.

As much as we've exalted the medical community during this, there's also a lot of really bad Healthcare going on right now as well.


Covid is over, this is the flu or a cold.
Doctors are just trying to cya because the OG was so dangerous.

Healthcare providers 2 years ago would haven't sent home 99% of these people with tami flu and some steroids


This is nothing more than another polarizing political statement. Covid isn't over and probably never will be. Just like the flu still kills way to many people every year. No different than the people still demanding full lock down and mask mandates. Both sides are doing their best to ruin everyone's lives.

It's really easy to say this kind of thing until your entire family gets it and at 3:30am you have to decide on your own where the line is on Okay enough or too long to get help.
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AgLA06 said:

The average person with Covid is in the hospital because that's the advice they are getting from their family doctors. I know because that's exactly what I was told.

As much as we've exalted the medical community during this, there's also a lot of really bad Healthcare going on right now as well.

Covid Healthcare is as polarizing and political as Biden / Trump from both sides. You're polarizing statement as just one example which does nothing but continue to fan the flames. And that's wrong.


This as well.

Those actually in the hospital due to covid who should be there is very, very small. Probably no more than a normal flu season in 2018 or 2019 any more.

Yes, some healthcare advice has been terrible. but hat said, these people going to the hospital over symptoms no worse than the average flu or cold are also partly to blame. Stop being a sheep.
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AgLA06 said:

Rustys-Beef-o-Reeno said:

AgLA06 said:

The average person with Covid is in the hospital because that's the advice they are getting from their family doctors. I know because that's exactly what I was told.

As much as we've exalted the medical community during this, there's also a lot of really bad Healthcare going on right now as well.


Covid is over, this is the flu or a cold.
Doctors are just trying to cya because the OG was so dangerous.

Healthcare providers 2 years ago would haven't sent home 99% of these people with tami flu and some steroids


This is nothing more than another polarizing political statement. Covid isn't over and probably never will be. Just like the flu still kills way to many people every year. No different than the people still demanding full lock down and mask mandates. Both sides are doing their best to ruin everyone's lives.

It's really easy to say this kind of thing until your entire family gets it and at 3:30am you have to decide on your own where the line is on Okay enough or too long to get help.
From a public health crisis, yes it is. Perhaps you can be a stickler for his wording. Covid will always circulate in our world. Sure. I don't think that's what he means.

And this is a bit dramatic for 99+% of people right now.
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Covid craziness SHOULD be over. Unfortunately there are many folks who want to keep it alive. If the powers that be were honest and open with the people, no one would be wearing a mask and threat levels would go back to being for force protection not dumbass health.
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AgLA06 said:

Rustys-Beef-o-Reeno said:

AgLA06 said:

The average person with Covid is in the hospital because that's the advice they are getting from their family doctors. I know because that's exactly what I was told.

As much as we've exalted the medical community during this, there's also a lot of really bad Healthcare going on right now as well.


Covid is over, this is the flu or a cold.
Doctors are just trying to cya because the OG was so dangerous.

Healthcare providers 2 years ago would haven't sent home 99% of these people with tami flu and some steroids


This is nothing more than another polarizing political statement. Covid isn't over and probably never will be. Just like the flu still kills way to many people every year. No different than the people still demanding full lock down and mask mandates. Both sides are doing their best to ruin everyone's lives.

It's really easy to say this kind of thing until your entire family gets it and at 3:30am you have to decide on your own where the line is on Okay enough or too long to get help.


How are "both sides doing their best to ruin peoples lives"?

One "side" is trying to ruin lives through lockdowns, restrictions, mandates, authoritarianism, and socialism. The other "side" just wants to live freely.
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Sea Speed said:

Covid craziness SHOULD be over. Unfortunately there are many folks who want to keep it alive. If the powers that be were honest and open with the people, no one would be wearing a mask and threat levels would go back to being for force protection not dumbass health.


Sure. In order for that to happen the other side would have to admit Covid still exists and thousands in the hospital isn't ideal. Neither side can do so. Just look at this thread.

So the vast majority of us will have to continue on in Covid purgatory so a political pissing match can continue to hold us hostage.
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Guess I can call my coworker who has been in the ICU for 3 weeks and will lucky to ever be the same and tell him that he can go ahead and go home because he is just there from consuming "bull**** from the left".
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You are all conflating covid ridiculousness with the existence of the virus. No one here is denying the existence, what we are saying is that all of the ridiculousness should go away. Mask mandates, the osha bull****, companies following Dora's lead on how they should be operating etc etc etc ad infinitum.
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It's almost as if both political parties need the other to oppose them so they can both trade power back and forth and make money.
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AgLA06 said:

Sea Speed said:

Covid craziness SHOULD be over. Unfortunately there are many folks who want to keep it alive. If the powers that be were honest and open with the people, no one would be wearing a mask and threat levels would go back to being for force protection not dumbass health.


Sure. In order for that to happen the other side would have to admit Covid still exists and thousands in the hospital isn't ideal. Neither side can do so. Just look at this thread.

So the vast majority of us will have to continue on in Covid purgatory so a political pissing match can continue to hold us hostage.


No one is holding you hostage. "Admitting covid exists" does absolutely nothing to stop it. Restrictions, mandates, and authoritarianism also has done nothing to stop it.
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I did the math. Edit forthcoming to add more notes.



So this came from The Texas COVID 19 Data Website and of course does not discriminate the 'died from' from the 'died of.'

But what we're seeing is, it took 147 days to reach 10,000 deaths, then 96 days to reach 20,000, then 52 to reach 30,000 days, etc. We've been in the 70,000 bucket for 86 days, and are only at 75,014 deaths, so it's reasonable to expect we'll stay here for another 80 days. That's the longest we've been in a 10,000 unit bucket.

Omicron didn't show up until what, December? Since 12.1.2021, there's been, 1,296 deaths. That means most of the deaths in the 70,000 bucket belong to Delta, not Omicron.

More fun fact: Siri tells me that the population of Texas is 28,995,881. That means that "COVID" has claimed the lives of 0.259% of the population of Texas. Assuming we've all had it, and those that haven't can reasonably be offset by folks contracting it more than once, COVID IN GENERAL still has a 99.74% survivability rate. And that still doesn't account for "died of" vs. "died from."

Omicron remains a nothing burger.
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GAC06 said:

AgLA06 said:

Rustys-Beef-o-Reeno said:

AgLA06 said:

The average person with Covid is in the hospital because that's the advice they are getting from their family doctors. I know because that's exactly what I was told.

As much as we've exalted the medical community during this, there's also a lot of really bad Healthcare going on right now as well.


Covid is over, this is the flu or a cold.
Doctors are just trying to cya because the OG was so dangerous.

Healthcare providers 2 years ago would haven't sent home 99% of these people with tami flu and some steroids


This is nothing more than another polarizing political statement. Covid isn't over and probably never will be. Just like the flu still kills way to many people every year. No different than the people still demanding full lock down and mask mandates. Both sides are doing their best to ruin everyone's lives.

It's really easy to say this kind of thing until your entire family gets it and at 3:30am you have to decide on your own where the line is on Okay enough or too long to get help.


How are "both sides doing their best to ruin peoples lives"?

One "side" is trying to ruin lives through lockdowns, restrictions, mandates, authoritarianism, and socialism. The other "side" just wants to live freely.
This. There is only one side trying to change the behavior of others. Sure, I laugh when I see a masker in their car, but as long as it doesn't affect me I really don't care. But one side would force others to do things, whereas at worst, the other side just simply rolls their eyes at the other, but would never force them.

Live the way you want to. But until all restrictions are removed, expect the side against restrictions to still be vocal towards those still pushing for restrictions. Even if it's just masks at Airports, that's one too many for me. Masks at schools obviously the worst.
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AgLA06 said:

Sea Speed said:

Covid craziness SHOULD be over. Unfortunately there are many folks who want to keep it alive. If the powers that be were honest and open with the people, no one would be wearing a mask and threat levels would go back to being for force protection not dumbass health.


Sure. In order for that to happen the other side would have to admit Covid still exists and thousands in the hospital isn't ideal. Neither side can do so. Just look at this thread.

So the vast majority of us will have to continue on in Covid purgatory so a political pissing match can continue to hold us hostage.
Who isn't acknowledging that? What good does it really do, anyways?

Some just think all the mitigation is futile, and makes a bad situation worse.
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WES2006AG said:

Guess I can call my coworker who has been in the ICU for 3 weeks and will lucky to ever be the same and tell him that he can go ahead and go home because he is just there from consuming "bull**** from the left".
I lost taste for 2 hours and survived. Guess our stories cancel out.

Remove feelings from the equation and think logically. You cannot expect an entire country to stay home forever to POTENTIALLY increase the lifespan of .258% of the population. In 2020, 3,896 people died in Texas in a Motor Vehicle Death. No one is suggesting we stop driving.
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WES2006AG said:

Guess I can call my coworker who has been in the ICU for 3 weeks and will lucky to ever be the same and tell him that he can go ahead and go home because he is just there from consuming "bull**** from the left".
Sorry for the exceptions. I truly am. But what do you want?

I guess we should continue to shut down or alter society until there are zero bad outcomes?

People don't get it. What is happening to your coworker is sad, but almost completely inevitable, and all efforts to prevent it are futile and just make a bad situation worse. As an individual, maybe they could have done some things differently, I don't know. But any government rules/regulations are making the matter worse, and clearly didn't help anyways.
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beerad12man said:

WES2006AG said:

Guess I can call my coworker who has been in the ICU for 3 weeks and will lucky to ever be the same and tell him that he can go ahead and go home because he is just there from consuming "bull**** from the left".
Sorry for the exceptions. I truly am. But what do you want?

Maybe we can start by not making dumb statements about why people are in the hospital. I can assure you that having been hospitalized with COVID and knowing other who have as well none of us were there for any other reason than we were sick.

Honestly, if we want to talk about bull**** I have to imagine that my coworker would not have had this life changing event happen if he had listened to a little less bull**** and decided to get himself vaccinated.
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WES2006AG said:

beerad12man said:

WES2006AG said:

Guess I can call my coworker who has been in the ICU for 3 weeks and will lucky to ever be the same and tell him that he can go ahead and go home because he is just there from consuming "bull**** from the left".
Sorry for the exceptions. I truly am. But what do you want?

Maybe we can start by not making dumb statements about why people are in the hospital. I can assure you that having been hospitalized with COVID and knowing other who have as well none of us were there for any other reason than we were sick.

Honestly, if we want to talk about bull**** I have to imagine that my coworker would not have had this life changing event happen if he had listened to a little less bull**** and decided to get himself vaccinated.
Well beerad, he apparently wants everyone who isn't all in on the statistical misrepresentation of data for covid to feel responsible for random people, whom they never interacted with, ending up in the hospital. So I don't think facts or information are going to work with him.

Which is ironic, because we are arguing about the integrity of information.
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Society isnt shut down. It was at the beginning for awhile but not anymore. What an ignorant statement. Same people that want "freedom" to do whatever they want dont want businesses to be allowed to decide for themselves that people should wear shoes, shirt, and a mask to enter their private premises...give me a break. Not unexpected from people who sit behind a computer writing tens of thousands of posts about 18-22 year olds playing football all day.
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Project Gemini said:

Not unexpected from people who sit behind a computer writing tens of thousands of posts about 18-22 year olds playing football all day.
look a**hole, around here we sit behind a computer writing tens of thousands of posts about weather/traffic girls, best burgers/steaks and poorly designed freeways. get it straight.
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Talking about the dude who posts 4k+ times a year about football ********, not Lainie's fat thighs, your backyard steak, or Paul Wall.
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Project Gemini said:

Society isnt shut down. It was at the beginning for awhile but not anymore. What an ignorant statement. Same people that want "freedom" to do whatever they want dont want businesses to be allowed to decide for themselves that people should wear shoes, shirt, and a mask to enter their private premises...give me a break. Not unexpected from people who sit behind a computer writing tens of thousands of posts about 18-22 year olds playing football all day.


Equating wearing masks to wearing shirts and shoes is about the dumbest and certainly most disingenuous argument one can make. And, unfortunately, it's the second time today someone has made that comparison in these forums.
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So a private business can't decide who they provide service to or what those patrons wear in their establishment? That is the argument from people screaming at fever pitch about FREEEEEEEEDOM? You seem to be angry about the masks, not the business' ability to make their own choices about how they run it. BTW, I dont wear a mask anywhere and dont think they are effective.
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Project Gemini said:

So a private business can't decide who they provide service to or what those patrons wear in their establishment? That is the argument from people screaming at fever pitch about FREEEEEEEEDOM? You seem to be angry about the masks, not the business' ability to make their own choices about how they run it. BTW, I dont wear a mask anywhere and dont think they are effective.
Hello, welcome to 2022. This year a government agency is forcing all unvaccinated people to have to wear a mask while working. Since you have obviously just arisen form a cave, we have been forced to wear masks and shutdown commerce off and on since april 2020. Despite there being zero real world evidence masks slow the spread. There is growing evidence of the psychological damage done to society. Also the mental development of kids. All caught up now, do you still think your shirt and shoes comment is relevant?
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LostInLA07 said:

Yes. Many doctors tell patients to stay home and rest or go to the ER if you feel bad enough. So, scared people head to the ER. We had to go outside of their typical care group to find decent at home care for my grandmother. Her PCP "wasn't allowed" to prescribe Paxlovid and said they'd "try to get her on a list" for mAB. Abhorrent medical care.
F-ck those doctors. Lazy ass PCPs.
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Project Gemini said:

Talking about the dude who posts 4k+ times a year about football ********, not Lainie's fat thighs, your backyard steak, or Paul Wall.
Lets not get crazy here and throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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