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So TxDOT is going to make it completely effed for the next FOUR YEARS.

https://www.khou.com/article/traffic/long-term-closure-i-10-katy-freeway-elevate-road-prevent-flooding/285-2d07576d-b94a-4c3d-abcd-102be92225b9
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Yeah this is gonna suck. Wait till they start i-45 redux on top of that. But the lane shifts already back up west bound travellers down the pierce elevated. My office over looks it and it is a cluster already as of last week.
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What. A. Cluster.
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Nothing should take 4 years. Elon will literally be on Mars by then
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We had the chance to preserve large portions of the Katy Prairie and build a second dam upstream of the current one. Our politicians didn't have the will power to get it done ($$$$$) and now we spend millions of dollars and inconvenience the public in order to jury rig fixes all over Houston.

And we laugh at California's politicians over infrastructure decisions.
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Is the flooding at this location tied to reservoirs in the Katy Prairie?
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https://www.hcfcd.org/Activity/Projects/White-Oak-Bayou
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TX04Aggie said:

Yeah this is gonna suck. Wait till they start i-45 redux on top of that. But the lane shifts already back up west bound travellers down the pierce elevated. My office over looks it and it is a cluster already as of last week.
We can't let San Mexico outdo us with having every single road under construction there and not here. Get with the program!
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Are we really going to be down to 3 lanes for 3 years? Not worth it.
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Our state and local politicians have under-the-table deals to their road construction buddies, we have to keep the work coming.
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Aggie71013 said:

Is the flooding at this location tied to reservoirs in the Katy Prairie?
In part. Katy drains thru Houston in Buffalo Bayou. Jersey Village area up to almost Cypress drains thru Houston thru White Oak Bayou. White Oak Bayou joins Buffalo Bayou at UH Downtown and goes to the ship channel ( Buffalo Bayou )
Cypress area to Lake Houston.
So a huge area drains thru downtown Houston. Think of the Katy reservoirs as retention ponds.
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Mas89 said:

Aggie71013 said:

Is the flooding at this location tied to reservoirs in the Katy Prairie?
In part. Katy drains thru Houston in Buffalo Bayou. Jersey Village area up to almost Cypress drains thru Houston thru White Oak Bayou. White Oak Bayou joins Buffalo Bayou at UH Downtown and goes to the ship channel ( Buffalo Bayou )
Cypress area to Lake Houston.
So a huge area drains thru downtown Houston. Think of the Katy reservoirs as retention ponds.



And it goes beyond just any existing or potential reservoirs. The Katy Prairie was the last great sponge that absorbed rain water. Every acre of land paved over is one less acre absorbing that rain, and instead, it flows right down the I-10/ bayou corridor effecting everything including downtown.

Some key points we need to remember. The idea of preserving large portions of the Prairie and constructing new reservoirs dates back about 70 years. Numerous studies concluded it was needed. Furthermore, the existing dams are considered by the Corp of Engineers , "high risk" for failure owing to 1) structural issues and 2) the increasing runoff from upstream Prairie areas as development progresses.

And so we plod along with our head in the sand, never doing what was "smart" and needed. We seem to thrive on accepting disaster and then jury rigging a few fixes than mitigate it far less than had we done the right thing to begin with.

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TX04Aggie said:

Yeah this is gonna suck. Wait till they start i-45 redux on top of that. But the lane shifts already back up west bound travellers down the pierce elevated. My office over looks it and it is a cluster already as of last week.
This further reinforces my view that TxDOT is a jobs program.
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Ryan the Temp said:

TX04Aggie said:

Yeah this is gonna suck. Wait till they start i-45 redux on top of that. But the lane shifts already back up west bound travellers down the pierce elevated. My office over looks it and it is a cluster already as of last week.
This further reinforces my view that TxDOT is a jobs program.
Gotta move I-45 from one side of downtown to the other side of downtown. How is that going to help us? Our tax dollars at work - funding that jobs program.
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Ryan the Temp said:

So TxDOT is going to make it completely effed for the next FOUR YEARS.

https://www.khou.com/article/traffic/long-term-closure-i-10-katy-freeway-elevate-road-prevent-flooding/285-2d07576d-b94a-4c3d-abcd-102be92225b9

So to save Houstin drivers from 1-5 days annually of non driveable roads (when people will not be driving because side streets will be flooded); the goal is to solve this problem at the cost of 4 years of hell.

So the best case payout of this road improvement is...292 years. Yes this is 100% a money skimming operation.
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Why not do this at the same time as the I-45 reroute. It will be a CF then so this annoyance would be hardly noticed. Instead they are effing us all by doing this unnecessary work and tacking on years to the upcoming disruption caused by 45. Do these people have brains?

Also another annoyance.. Ever notice how I-10 west is the only interstate leaving downtown that doesn't have continuous HOV leaving/entering downtown? Yes there is the flyover ramp starting at Studemont into DT but the HOV is absent between 610 and Studemont which is a pain to HOV drivers. Maybe we should consider stacked highways similar to San Antonio?
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tk for tu juan said:



https://www.hcfcd.org/Activity/Projects/White-Oak-Bayou
And with all of the new residential developments along the 290 corridor flooding will only get worse.

Shoot, they'll be on the doorstep of Hempstead in less than ten years.

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aggiedent said:

Mas89 said:

Aggie71013 said:

Is the flooding at this location tied to reservoirs in the Katy Prairie?
In part. Katy drains thru Houston in Buffalo Bayou. Jersey Village area up to almost Cypress drains thru Houston thru White Oak Bayou. White Oak Bayou joins Buffalo Bayou at UH Downtown and goes to the ship channel ( Buffalo Bayou )
Cypress area to Lake Houston.
So a huge area drains thru downtown Houston. Think of the Katy reservoirs as retention ponds.



And it goes beyond just any existing or potential reservoirs. The Katy Prairie was the last great sponge that absorbed rain water. Every acre of land paved over is one less acre absorbing that rain, and instead, it flows right down the I-10/ bayou corridor effecting everything including downtown.

Some key points we need to remember. The idea of preserving large portions of the Prairie and constructing new reservoirs dates back about 70 years. Numerous studies concluded it was needed. Furthermore, the existing dams are considered by the Corp of Engineers , "high risk" for failure owing to 1) structural issues and 2) the increasing runoff from upstream Prairie areas as development progresses.

And so we plod along with our head in the sand, never doing what was "smart" and needed. We seem to thrive on accepting disaster and then jury rigging a few fixes than mitigate it far less than had we done the right thing to begin with.


Unfortunately the prairie isn't some wild land that "we" can just say preserve. All the land is owned by someone. Now the government could have stepped up and bought the land for the purpose of either keeping it a prairie or building another reservoir. I don't know how well that would go over in the last 50 years to have the state or federal government say we're going to eminent domain your land so the city far from you doesn't flood as often. Local houston leaders should have been petitioning the state or fed to get this going decades ago but I fear we've passed the point of no return.
texagbeliever
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Also just wait for these mensa candidates to discover 59...
tk for tu juan
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Biz Ag said:

tk for tu juan said:



https://www.hcfcd.org/Activity/Projects/White-Oak-Bayou
And with all of the new residential developments along the 290 corridor flooding will only get worse.

Shoot, they'll be on the doorstep of Hempstead in less than ten years.

Anything northwest of the White Oaks Bayou watershed goes to the Cypress Creek watershed
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sweet jesus. 4 years. well, we all know that means 6-7 years.
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Ryan the Temp said:

TX04Aggie said:

Yeah this is gonna suck. Wait till they start i-45 redux on top of that. But the lane shifts already back up west bound travellers down the pierce elevated. My office over looks it and it is a cluster already as of last week.
This further reinforces my view that TxDOT is a jobs program.
The TVA is alive and well.
The Wonderer
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Furlock Bones said:

sweet jesus. 4 years. well, we all know that means 6-7 18-21 years.
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cajunaggie08 said:

aggiedent said:

Mas89 said:

Aggie71013 said:

Is the flooding at this location tied to reservoirs in the Katy Prairie?
In part. Katy drains thru Houston in Buffalo Bayou. Jersey Village area up to almost Cypress drains thru Houston thru White Oak Bayou. White Oak Bayou joins Buffalo Bayou at UH Downtown and goes to the ship channel ( Buffalo Bayou )
Cypress area to Lake Houston.
So a huge area drains thru downtown Houston. Think of the Katy reservoirs as retention ponds.



And it goes beyond just any existing or potential reservoirs. The Katy Prairie was the last great sponge that absorbed rain water. Every acre of land paved over is one less acre absorbing that rain, and instead, it flows right down the I-10/ bayou corridor effecting everything including downtown.

Some key points we need to remember. The idea of preserving large portions of the Prairie and constructing new reservoirs dates back about 70 years. Numerous studies concluded it was needed. Furthermore, the existing dams are considered by the Corp of Engineers , "high risk" for failure owing to 1) structural issues and 2) the increasing runoff from upstream Prairie areas as development progresses.

And so we plod along with our head in the sand, never doing what was "smart" and needed. We seem to thrive on accepting disaster and then jury rigging a few fixes than mitigate it far less than had we done the right thing to begin with.


Unfortunately the prairie isn't some wild land that "we" can just say preserve. All the land is owned by someone. Now the government could have stepped up and bought the land for the purpose of either keeping it a prairie or building another reservoir. I don't know how well that would go over in the last 50 years to have the state or federal government say we're going to eminent domain your land so the city far from you doesn't flood as often. Local houston leaders should have been petitioning the state or fed to get this going decades ago but I fear we've passed the point of no return.


That's it exactly. When the engineers and scientists first came to the realization of how important the area was 70ish years ago and how needed a second series of dams were, there were very few owners of the land and the county and state owned a good portion of it. It was sort of unofficially on the books as a future project. Had they acted back then, it would have been simple. Even 20 years ago it could have been feasible to acquire enough land.

Sadly, the time has come and gone. The county has no will to even try now.
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Anything northwest of the White Oaks Bayou watershed goes to the Cypress Creek watershed
Under appreciated fact, especially when it comes to Kingwood flooding.
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But the lane shifts already back up west bound travellers down the pierce elevated.
Drive home the last two days has sucked donkey balls.
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I agree with everyone regarding how this "plan" and TXDOT suck. But remember, downtown had major flooding issues long before there was any development to the west/northwest.
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NoahAg said:

I agree with everyone regarding how this "plan" and TXDOT suck. But remember, downtown had major flooding issues long before there was any development to the west/northwest.


Yeah………..which immediately became worse when the city in the late 1800's made a phenomenally stupid decision. They filled in a creek that ran into the bayou to create what is now Louisiana street. This according to Samuel Oliver Young in his book published in 1909. After that every time it rained even lightly, the streets flooded.

So our history of making stupid decisions has become a tradition by now.
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NoahAg said:

I agree with everyone regarding how this "plan" and TXDOT suck. But remember, downtown had major flooding issues long before there was any development to the west/northwest.
User name checks out.
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Things are going to be awesome when they finally finish all the freeway construction.

Just a few more years until its like this everyone around town...
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the entire effing road system in the city is a **** show right now.I-10w has effed 610, 45 and 59. I10e had the asphalt stripped in December and is still jacked up. The asphalt poured is uneven and not finished. What ever happened to 18 wheelers not being able to drive in the left lane?
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What ever happened to 18 wheelers not being able to drive in the left lane?
Pretty much zero traffic enforcement now due to short staffing. Have you not noticed the paper plated Altimas running wild?
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CDUB98 said:

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What ever happened to 18 wheelers not being able to drive in the left lane?
Pretty much zero traffic enforcement now due to short staffing. Have you not noticed the paper plated Altimas running wild?
On the plus side I can take the I-10 HOV lane all the way to Katy on my commute home and be pretty confident I won't get stopped.
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NoahAg said:

CDUB98 said:

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What ever happened to 18 wheelers not being able to drive in the left lane?
Pretty much zero traffic enforcement now due to short staffing. Have you not noticed the paper plated Altimas running wild?
On the plus side I can take the I-10 HOV lane all the way to Katy on my commute home and be pretty confident I won't get stopped.
That's the Constable/Sheriff usually and I see folks pulled over often, though not sure if it's for speeding or for being solo in the 2+ lane.

I did the HOV for years w/ kids in the back and never got pulled over. There's no way they could see in the lifted Tundra w/ dark tint in the back.
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