Non-lawyer talk: Ed Young Senior conspired with Ben Young, Ed Young Jr's personal lawyer/fixer, and another SB pastor to strip voting rights of Second Baptist members and vest all power to control all decisions of the church, including related to hiring, firing, church finances, and disposition of assets/real estate, into the hands of Ben Young and a small cabal of Young-selected leaders.94chem said:Marvin_Zindler said:
Court records show an entity called the Jerimiah Counsel Corporation sued Ed Young, Ben Young, Lee Maxcy (assistant pastor), Dennis Brewer (Ed Young Jr.'s church lawyer and fixer) and the Second Baptist Church Corporation.
Causes of action asserted in the petition are (i) declaratory judgment, (ii) conspiracy, (iii) conversion, and (iv) violations of the Texas Business Org. Code.
Should be fun to watch play out.
Auf English, bitte?
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I bet the Discovery on this one would be fun to read.Marvin_Zindler said:
Court records show an entity called the Jerimiah Counsel Corporation sued Ed Young, Ben Young, Lee Maxcy (assistant pastor), Dennis Brewer (Ed Young Jr.'s church lawyer and fixer) and the Second Baptist Church Corporation.
Causes of action asserted in the petition are (i) declaratory judgment, (ii) conspiracy, (iii) conversion, and (iv) violations of the Texas Business Org. Code.
Should be fun to watch play out.
The attorney/client privilege element with Dennis Brewer could be interesting....Marauder Blue 6 said:I bet the Discovery on this one would be fun to read.Marvin_Zindler said:
Court records show an entity called the Jerimiah Counsel Corporation sued Ed Young, Ben Young, Lee Maxcy (assistant pastor), Dennis Brewer (Ed Young Jr.'s church lawyer and fixer) and the Second Baptist Church Corporation.
Causes of action asserted in the petition are (i) declaratory judgment, (ii) conspiracy, (iii) conversion, and (iv) violations of the Texas Business Org. Code.
Should be fun to watch play out.
He has an interesting biography.Marvin_Zindler said:The attorney/client privilege element with Dennis Brewer could be interesting....Marauder Blue 6 said:I bet the Discovery on this one would be fun to read.Marvin_Zindler said:
Court records show an entity called the Jerimiah Counsel Corporation sued Ed Young, Ben Young, Lee Maxcy (assistant pastor), Dennis Brewer (Ed Young Jr.'s church lawyer and fixer) and the Second Baptist Church Corporation.
Causes of action asserted in the petition are (i) declaratory judgment, (ii) conspiracy, (iii) conversion, and (iv) violations of the Texas Business Org. Code.
Should be fun to watch play out.
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Marvin_Zindler said:Non-lawyer talk: Ed Young conspired with Ben Young, Ed Young Jr's personal lawyer/fixer, and another SB pastor to strip voting rights of Second Baptist members and vest all power to control all decisions of the church, including related to hiring, firing, church finances, and disposition of assets/real estate, into the hands of Ben Young and a small cabal of Young-selected leaders.94chem said:Marvin_Zindler said:
Court records show an entity called the Jerimiah Counsel Corporation sued Ed Young, Ben Young, Lee Maxcy (assistant pastor), Dennis Brewer (Ed Young Jr.'s church lawyer and fixer) and the Second Baptist Church Corporation.
Causes of action asserted in the petition are (i) declaratory judgment, (ii) conspiracy, (iii) conversion, and (iv) violations of the Texas Business Org. Code.
Should be fun to watch play out.
Auf English, bitte?
Thank you. Basically a refresher of what the thread was about.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
94chem said:bitter?Marvin_Zindler said:Non-lawyer talk: Ed Young conspired with Ben Young, Ed Young Jr's personal lawyer/fixer, and another SB pastor to strip voting rights of Second Baptist members and vest all power to control all decisions of the church, including related to hiring, firing, church finances, and disposition of assets/real estate, into the hands of Ben Young and a small cabal of Young-selected leaders.94chem said:Marvin_Zindler said:
Court records show an entity called the Jerimiah Counsel Corporation sued Ed Young, Ben Young, Lee Maxcy (assistant pastor), Dennis Brewer (Ed Young Jr.'s church lawyer and fixer) and the Second Baptist Church Corporation.
Causes of action asserted in the petition are (i) declaratory judgment, (ii) conspiracy, (iii) conversion, and (iv) violations of the Texas Business Org. Code.
Should be fun to watch play out.
Auf English, bitte?
Thank you. Basically a refresher of what the thread was about.
The ecclesiastical abstention doctrine is pretty strong in Texas state and federal courts. I expect an uphill battle for Plaintiff.
Jeremiah Counsel
https://www.bizapedia.com/tx/jeremiah-counsel-corporation.html
https://www.bizapedia.com/tx/jeremiah-counsel-corporation.html
The word "bitter" was completely random. Don't know how it got in my post.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
Edd Hendee, owner of Taste of Texas, among those involved in this organization.
Yes, several big players in that newly formed organization.
Curious how you see / search the court records on this one?Marvin_Zindler said:
Court records show an entity called the Jerimiah Counsel Corporation sued Ed Young, Ben Young, Lee Maxcy (assistant pastor), Dennis Brewer (Ed Young Jr.'s church lawyer and fixer) and the Second Baptist Church Corporation.
Causes of action asserted in the petition are (i) declaratory judgment, (ii) conspiracy, (iii) conversion, and (iv) violations of the Texas Business Org. Code.
Should be fun to watch play out.
Lawyers get more/easier access to District Court filings than the general public. The District Clerk recognizes you by your bar card.H-town ag said:Curious how you see / search the court records on this one?Marvin_Zindler said:
Court records show an entity called the Jerimiah Counsel Corporation sued Ed Young, Ben Young, Lee Maxcy (assistant pastor), Dennis Brewer (Ed Young Jr.'s church lawyer and fixer) and the Second Baptist Church Corporation.
Causes of action asserted in the petition are (i) declaratory judgment, (ii) conspiracy, (iii) conversion, and (iv) violations of the Texas Business Org. Code.
Should be fun to watch play out.
Fair...but that's an issue for summary judgment at the earliest.P.H. Dexippus said:
The ecclesiastical abstention doctrine is pretty strong in Texas state and federal courts. I expect an uphill battle for Plaintiff.
This case is also in front of a judge who likely has no idea what any of those words mean.
I thought the Hendees were Grace Bible people.....but maybe I'm wrong.....Jack Klompus said:
Edd Hendee, owner of Taste of Texas, among those involved in this organization.
Think he's been involved with Second Baptist for a long time. Half the people that eat at ToT seem to be parishioners.
touchMarvin_Zindler said:Fair...but that's an issue for summary judgment at the earliest.P.H. Dexippus said:
The ecclesiastical abstention doctrine is pretty strong in Texas state and federal courts. I expect an uphill battle for Plaintiff.
This case is also in front of a judge who likely has no idea what any of those words mean.
Reviewing the petition, it's much more personal and salacious than I was expecting. Bringing up Ed Young Jr., ascribing profit motives to Ed Young Sr., etc.
It's about exactly what I expected.
The proper procedural mechanism is a plea to the jurisdiction, not summary judgment motion. If denied, mandamus relief is available.Marvin_Zindler said:Fair...but that's an issue for summary judgment at the earliest.P.H. Dexippus said:
The ecclesiastical abstention doctrine is pretty strong in Texas state and federal courts. I expect an uphill battle for Plaintiff.
This case is also in front of a judge who likely has no idea what any of those words mean.
P.H. Dexippus said:touchMarvin_Zindler said:Fair...but that's an issue for summary judgment at the earliest.P.H. Dexippus said:
The ecclesiastical abstention doctrine is pretty strong in Texas state and federal courts. I expect an uphill battle for Plaintiff.
This case is also in front of a judge who likely has no idea what any of those words mean.
Reviewing the petition, it's much more personal and salacious than I was expecting. Bringing up Ed Young Jr., ascribing profit motives to Ed Young Sr., etc.
I thought the same. The shade thrown at Ed Young Jr…..who isn't even a party to the suit was hilarious.
Panama Red said:The proper procedural mechanism is a plea to the jurisdiction, not summary judgment motion. If denied, mandamus relief is available.Marvin_Zindler said:Fair...but that's an issue for summary judgment at the earliest.P.H. Dexippus said:
The ecclesiastical abstention doctrine is pretty strong in Texas state and federal courts. I expect an uphill battle for Plaintiff.
This case is also in front of a judge who likely has no idea what any of those words mean.
Correct. Was surprised to see that the suit is not being brought by an individual member.
Where can a civilian read the petition?
Thanks. I just read it.
This is interesting. Its either a grand conspiracy or a few butt hurt folks with too much time on their hands. I lean more toward a grand conspiracy.
The way that they changed the bylaws and voting rights of church members that have been in place for almost 100 years is CRAZY.
Pretty nefarious how they preyed on the legitimate fears of their congregation about wokeism taking over to instead institute a nepotism takeover. The way to keep the wokeism out is maintain sound doctrine and police your membership rolls, not surrender congregational governance.
It was never about wokeism. Wokeism was the Trojan Horse.
Crazy that there was no pastoral search committee also. Comparing to Houston's First after Dr. John Bisagno retired, Houston's First had a 5-year pastor search before landing on Pastor Gregg Matte.
Jack Klompus said:
Crazy that there was no pastoral search committee also. Comparing to Houston's First after Dr. John Bisagno retired, Houston's First had a 5-year pastor search before landing on Pastor Gregg Matte.
Installing Ben was always the plan. Had been for more than a decade.
His own divorce is at odds with scripture/prior bylays.
Were you able to read it without having to pay? The site will only show me the first page of the filing, then wants to charge me to view the rest of the document.
Yes. Click on the "Images" tab on the far right and the first file, 120040565, is the one you want to read. I have it saved if you want to PM me an e-mail address.waryman said:
Were you able to read it without having to pay? The site will only show me the first page of the filing, then wants to charge me to view the rest of the document.
The Jeremiah Group now has a website with all relevant info and docs.
https://www.jeremiahcounsel.org/
https://www.jeremiahcounsel.org/
I'm still really surprised the suit was brought by this group as opposed to induvial members of the church. From a legal perspective this seems like a standing issue that could get the case booted on plea to the jurisdiction brought by SB. If that happens, there could be some serious statue of limitations issues.H-town ag said:
The Jeremiah Group now has a website with all relevant info and docs.
https://www.jeremiahcounsel.org/
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