Panhandle/South Plains Moving Suggestion

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Clem
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My wife and I are looking to move our family into the Panhandle/South Plains area in the next 3 to 5 years. I like to create a plan and word towards it, so I'm starting the process now.

For those of you from that part of the state, I was hoping you could recommend some of your favorite towns.

Just some info on us. We have a couple of kids now, and will likely have four by the time we move out there. Kids will definitely be involved in academics, sports, 4-H, FFA, etc. We like small-town living and will probably live in the country outside of a small town, but access to a larger town/city is a must since we will probably purchase some businesses.

Any suggestions are appreciated. Also, any positives or negatives of living out in that area are welcomed.
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Canyon. End of discussion.

Kidding a little, but not much. Will try to expound more later, Might help if you give a bit if info, like what you'll be doing, how big if a town, what you consider important...
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Once you answer all of CanyonAg's questions, the answer will be Canyon.
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We just moved back to the Amarillo area from the Lubbock area in April. From your post it sounds like your family is a lot like mine. We chose the Bushland area. Small town feel at the school but 9 minutes to I - 40 and Soncy intersection. Just a word of warning, housing in the more rural areas is really tough to find. Our agent did a great job finding property to look at and eventually steering us to the better home for our family.
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Dalhart - Stratford area.
CanyonAg77
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So, an interesting question. Where to go with a clean sheet? It's hard to advise, since everyone's tastes are so different.

If medical facilities matter, then you need to be within driving distance of Lubbock or Amarillo. Same goes if you think you or your parents will need retirement homes or nursing home facilities.

If it's important to be near a college, the four years will be Tech in LBB, WTAMU in Canyon, and the church schools: Wayland in Plainview, LCC in LBB. Two years will be Clarendon and Amarillo College. Eastern New Mexico is right across the border in Portales.

High tech employment would be the Ag Experiment stations at LBB and Bushland, Bell and Pantex near Amarillo. Probably others in LBB but I can't think of them right now.

Major airports are also LBB and AMA.

The economy is pretty much Ag, oil, and education. If I could predict the ag economy, I'd be rich. So much depends on world markets and local weather. For areas that irrigate from the Ogallala, the aquifer is thicker and thus has a better future generally in the north and west.

The general topography and climate is that it gets higher the further north and west you go. It gets drier the farther west you go. The soils are sandier to the south. There's more cotton and less grain to the south. There is less grassland to the south. All of which means that in normal years, dust storms are worse the further south you go.

Wherever you go, there will be some really lousy weather days. But I like the weather in general. High altitude and low humidity means the oppressively hot days are limited, and the evenings are almost always cool and delightful. Sunrises and sunsets are amazing. If you're coming from Houston or similar places, you will probably enjoy having actual seasons.

Culture, AMA and LBB will have symphonies and ballets. LBB gets better concerts because of the Tech arena. The PPH Museum in Canyon is outstanding, as is the Ranching Heritage in LBB. Lots of good smaller museums: Square House Panhandle. Farm and Ranch, Hale Center. English Field Aviation, AMA. Silent wings, LBB.

Both Palo Duro Canyon and Caprock Canyons are worth visiting. Most local lakes are really low, but if you're willing to travel, look at the distance from your choice to places like Lake Alan Henry or Logan and Ute Lakes in NM. Same way, look at places like Red River, Ruidoso, Big Bend, Santa Fe. Etc etc, all of which are in reasonable driving distance. If you have. A favorite among them, look at the travel time to get there.

For scenery, I would enjoy living just east of the Caprock in the rolling plains. But the economies of most of those little towns are not good nor likely to improve.

Some of the panhandle/south plains towns are struggling, too. Places like Hereford and Plainview have had some setbacks, and the demographics are shifted toward lower income and Hispanic.

Places like Bushland are booming, and Canyon is growing. I think it's mainly related to the school systems, and it's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy. People perceive the school systems and athletic teams are good, and they want their kids to be part of that. Parents who move to such districts are usually very involved, which leads to good schools.

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So why did we choose Canyon? Wife got a job in Amarillo, and I did not want to live in that big of a town. We had elementary aged kids and Canyon schools have a good reputation. It was within an hour of my parents. I love Palo Duro Canyon. I prefer Amarillo to Lubbock. Low crime rate. It's a dry (no alcohol) community, though it's available close by for those who care. I've always enjoyed the town, even when visiting as a kid. I like the combination of people: farmers, ranchers, academics from the college, college students, high tech folks who work at Pantex, Bell, etc.

Your mileage may vary.






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Clem
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Wow! This is all really helpful. I will say that we love the topographies and relatively sparse population of the Panhandle/South Plains area, which is what originally drew our eye to the region. However, I've kind of kept an eye on TexAgs posters from where they are from and I have to say the Panhandle/South Plains group comes off as the friendliest and most nostalgic. You all rep the region well.

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Might help if you give a bit if info, like what you'll be doing, how big if a town, what you consider important...


We'll probably try to put together a portfolio of small business within an hour radius of wherever we live.

I grew up in a town with about 6,000 people, so I would say anything from a town with a 2A high school up to a town with a 18,000 people.

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Just a word of warning, housing in the more rural areas is really tough to find.


Any opinion on building new on purchased acreage?
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We explored the building option. One downfall to building is the timeframe. Since I work in construction, I have a pretty good idea of what goes into building a home and very few contractors would enjoy building a home for me since I would be by daily to check on their progress and details. As of about 3 months ago, the time from signing the dotted line to move in was about a year. This option did not work for my family as work moved us to Amarillo.

How many acres do you think your family would be happy on? There is quite a bit of raw property available out there, its just pretty high right now. With an expected residential building increase coming over the course of the next 2-4 years, it will not get any better.
Clem
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Thanks, jtp01, the timeframe information is helpful. We may purchase the land beforehand (end of this year). We are looking at about 20 acres.
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Twenty acres is a fairly easy target. If you would like the real estate agent we used, let me know. This is the type of property that is his specialty.
Clem
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Yeah, I would like his contact info if you don't mind. If you don't want to post it here, let me know and I'll post an email address. Thank you.
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For the business side of things if say be near amarillo/canyon/ bushland. Within an hour you have borger plainview pampa Dumas and Hereford as all decent sized (20,000 people) so you'd have lots more opportunities.
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JT Haynes with Triangle realty is who we used. They are a "handshake" kind of group, we never signed an agreement with them, we just shook hands and we had our agreement. He and his entire staff were great and gave us their undivided attention while we were looking around. He took us back through some houses 3 times. They still follow up with us on a regular basis.


I don't know if others have used them in the past, but if I ever move again, they will be my agent with no doubt.
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Realtor Mary Lou Lyons in Canyon has Aggie kids and she worked hard for us many years ago. I have recommended her before to TexAgs folks and at least one person used her and had good luck. Don't know Haynes, but I believe he is a friend if a friend and has a good rep.
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What is your impression of Levelland?
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Haven't spent tons of time there, but thanks for reminding me that I left out a 2-year college. They have a Jr. College there, as well. South Plains, it has a relationship with Tech for marginal admitees, somewhat like A&M/Blinn. SP College is also noted for a very well respected music program, focused on country/bluegrass.
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I think you may like canyon.



Try. Perryton or Canadian


Stratford if you want to win in football

Take a week and go spend a day in different towns. Meet people , go to stores, eat.


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Thanks Canyon...youngest son was admitted to A&M but took a scholarship to South Plains for Livestock judging....just don't know much about the area and a long way from home. He plans on two years there and then transferring to A&M.
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Realtor Mary Lou Lyons in Canyon has Aggie kids and she worked hard for us many years ago. I have recommended her before to TexAgs folks and at least one person used her and had good luck. Don't know Haynes, but I believe he is a friend if a friend and has a good rep.


+ 1 million.

We just moved out of the area when my wife was transferred, but we used Mary Lou buying and selling our house. She was great.
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Nice writeup CanyonAg
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Nice writeup CanyonAg
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.youngest son was admitted to A&M but took a scholarship to South Plains for Livestock judging....just don't know much about the area and a long way from home. He plans on two years there and then transferring to A&M.
I think you'd best prepare for a Raider in the family. As I said, SPC is a feeder school for Tech. He may be swayed by where all his friends are headed.

And has he thoroughly investigated transferring? Is he assured of a slot? Is it easy to transfer? If he has less than a 4.0 from SPC, can he still get into A&M?

As this is August, that ship may have sailed already, but I'd like to know, were I him or you.

Otherwise, he needs to be aware that he is moving from the land of hills and rain and trees to the land of flat earth, drought and cotton.

Remind him to pack warmer clothes, he's moving up 3,320 feet in elevation and about 300 miles further north.

He'll probably enjoy having actual seasons. And he will probably also enjoy being only 220 miles from the ski slopes and ski bunnies in Ruidoso.



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We'll probably try to put together a portfolio of small business within an hour radius of wherever we live.
So my wife went to Jr. High and High School in Houston, we met at A&M. When she first came this way she'd want to know how long it took to get somewhere. I always responded with how far it was. She'd repeat the 'how long' question, I'd just convert the 'how far' answer into miles. For instance, if I originally said it was 5 miles to town, I'd convert that to 5 minutes. She finally converted to mileage over minutes.

So you're drawing a pretty big circle, at least in good weather. My mom lives 70 miles away, I always budget an hour to get there down I-27. You could live in Kress, and be less than an hour from downtown Lubbock or Amarillo, either one. Though most new businesses are in south LBB and AMA, so you might shift south. And with apologies to my friends in Kress, it's not an attractive option, anyhow.
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I grew up in a town with about 6,000 people, so I would say anything from a town with a 2A high school up to a town with a 18,000 people.
Another wide spread. There are several little towns defying the trend and doing some nice things. And/or they have something unique, such as the girls' basketball dynasty in Nazareth. I'd like for folks to chime in from some of those places.

Another unique place is Canadian. Malouf Abraham, Jr. is a wealthy retired doctor. I believe he has some Aggie grandchildren. He and his family have been incredibly generous to their community. From a 'quality of life' standpoint, their philanthropy may make Canadian the best place to live in the Panhandle.

My wife works with a lot of people from Groom. But apparently you can't live there unless your name is 'Brittin'. (kidding!)


With any choice, you're also having to try to predict what it's going to be like 25, 50, 100 years down the road. The Ogallala was supposed to be dry years ago, according to some, as were the oil wells. Little towns have depopulated due to Ag mechanization and CRP.

Some places, like Bushland, are booming. When I worked at the USDA Ag research station in Bushland in the 1980s, there was no high school, about 3 businesses and a handful of houses. As Amarillo expanded west, development started out that way and it has gone crazy.

We've seriously discussed buying land in tiny towns like Umbarger or Happy. As Amarillo and Canyon grow, we wonder if the trend will continue even further out. We'd never make any money off such land, but our kids might make a mint if the communities become the next Bushland. Or they might wonder what dad was thinking, buying lots in a ghost town.

Another consideration for your kids might be athletics. Some folks like for their kids to be the big fish in a small pond, so they go to small school districts. Or they might want more opportunities in other fields and go to larger schools or private schools.


As I said earlier, it is an interesting question....



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Clem
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Take a week and go spend a day in different towns. Meet people , go to stores, eat.


We are planning on doing just that this November.

Regarding the expansion of suburban sprawl, one of the things we find most attractive about the region is that we anticipate the rate of suburbanization to be less than average. I grew up in a place that was, and still is, very rural. My wife grew up in a semi-rural area that has been completely swallowed by the ever-expanding Houston MSA.

Although we can't, and shouldn't, shield our children from everything, we want them growing up in a place where people still take pride in traditional values. We have been blessed enough that a move to that setting will very likely be possible in a few years.

I wanted to thank you all again for this very useful information and confirmation of the helpfulness I thought I would find here. It looks like there are a ton of good choices and we are looking forward to our research trip in November.

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My wife works with a lot of people from Groom. But apparently you can't live there unless your name is 'Brittin'. (kidding!)


I laughed!
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Canadian is great town.
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Well considering the cost savings and the fact his Coach is a Aggie grad and several team members are from Aggie families we don't think he will be converted to a Tech fan...we hope! If he takes care of business he should be able to transfer and have the opportunity to judge at A&M. Thanks Canyon for your input.
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Canyon
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I get the sense that the harder TxTech pushes for a Vet School, the more likely it becomes that WestTexasA&M (WT) will expand it's Ag Dept and become a "branch" vet school for A&M - and will therefore give a boost to the WT campus and Canyon... They seem a perfect candidate for this function... Anybody got any real info on that?

WTA&M is a really a nice college and Canyon is a really nice college town.
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I wish they would expand several areas at WT, and take some pressure off the main campus. A vet school would take a lot of infrasructure that does not exist at WT now, so I don't know how likely that is. Tech has med school facilities, perhaps they could be dual use (I have no idea)

There was talk a few years ago about expanding the fireman training field at Canyon, and doing some of the fire traing school up here. I don't know if that fell through or what, haven't heard anything in a while. Though the trainng field at Canyon just got some additions in the past month.
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Another unique place is Canadian. Malouf Abraham, Jr. is a wealthy retired doctor. I believe he has some Aggie grandchildren. He and his family have been incredibly generous to their community. From a 'quality of life' standpoint, their philanthropy may make Canadian the best place to live in the Panhandle.


I would agree with all of this as I grew up there but none of maloufs grandchildren are aggies (Harvard, tech, notre dame). Great schools (dad is high school principle, mom is librarian). Awesome movie theater (1 screen) that's pretty cheap. It was updated and renovated by maloufs son who has a hedge fund among many other investments. Seems like they're always adding more festivals and groups in town. Tightnit community

Very far from anything else though.

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none of maloufs grandchildren are aggies
Aren't there descendants named Brown? I know an Aggie married one of those, I guess I assumed she was an Ag, too.
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As far as I know, malouf only had 3 sons. I do think there are some browns and coopers too that are related though. They may have had some ags but I don't really know that part of the family
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Canyon, she is a Baylor Bear.
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Thanks. Her husband's family are really good people and old friends of the family. He drove a tractor for me one summer.
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