I'm jealous.

At THS, most of our sharpest students go out of state or to tu.

It doesn't help that our Calculus teacher got his undergrad at Westpoint, and his masters at tu and actively recruits for the sips.

BHS has this neat wall that shows where all of their seniors go to college. A&M was way in the lead. Granted, I have no idea what kind of students they are, but I thought I'd give credit where credit is due.

I was there for District UIL, which is why I noticed.

Belton 01

Aggie 05

What year did the West Point teacher graduate from West Point?

Probably around 76/77. He was obviously in the army for a few years and graduated from tu in '84. He is 4 or 5 years older than me.

I was 01 from KHS...I think a lot of my class went to or ended up at TAMU. I would maybe say the same about HHHS. I dint recall any tsip teachers, actually...a few Ags. Lots of lumberjacks though. Oh and an in poster that said he went to Cal tech/MIT or something. That was hilarious and sad.

I was at an invitational UIL at Connolly in Plugerville. I was surprised how many A&M bricks they had that close to Austin.

These things go in cycles. A&M is "cool" right now, and apps are up.

Kingwood high class of 1986, another period during which A&M was "cool", sent 203 kids to A&M.

A&M is red hot right now, and kids want to go there. Who knows what it will be like in 5, 10, 20 years...

Congrats to all the cenTex kids who are headed to Aggieland next year.

It's always been that way at Belton. When I graduated, '91, I think 15 of us, out of 240 went to A&M. I think about 4 of us went to tu and 2 of them actually graduated. One ran home after the first semester, another dropped out for personal reasons. All of us that went to A&M finished. Of course quite a few went to SWT, so that kinda counts for tu? Others went to tcu, baylor, nobody to tech and ones that went to TJC I haven't kept up with.

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Yep, '91 was definitely in the "A&M is cool" period. During the time when we were kicking the crap out of the sips in football. And as superficial as that is, make no mistake, success in sports definitely makes a difference. Plus, I think belton kids just feel comfortable at A&M. Belton may be a gargantuan school, but the place still has a small town, almost rural feel to it. I can see why College Station might be more appealing than the creep and freak show in Austin...

I'd be interested to see what apps were like from about '97-2010, and compare those to '85-94 and '13.






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Temple definitely seems to have its share of kids go out of state, and it seems to have been that way for awhile. I know a lot of Natasha's kids go out of state, and those S&W doctors kids do to, partly because they are high achievers, and partly because they can afford it...

What do you think, jan?







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True about '91, but some of my classmates went there based on degree programs. Our valedictorian grew up in a sip family but at the last minute changed to A&M because she wanted to be an obgyn. Another guy majored in petro engineering and is a VP for trans ocean. I don't think either one of them ever went to a football game. Only one girl was a legacy and felt like she had to go to A&M and the rest of us just wanted to be Aggies.
Today's BHS is twice as large as it was then with a lot of transplanted families thanks to Scott & White. When my boys graduate from highschool, this year and next, I would almost prefer my 9yr old daughter go to academy for Jr high and highschool.

How many BHS graduates in this year's class?





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616 seniors

Holy crap that's alot!!!

That place will have 3000 students before long.

I expect there will be 2 high schools by the time your 9 year old graduates..




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There's going to have to be two. The olds will hate it and that's what Temple should have done 20 years ago but they didn't want two football teams. Belton is in the same boat and the rumor is that two highschools will create one team still. What a joke. Why crappy football teams drive education decisions I will never understand.

Temple ISD is not big enough for 2 high schools and never has been. That was always a myth.

People always thought that just because the city of Temple's population was growing, so was TISD, which is not the case. Most of The City of Temple's growth over the past 20 years has been in BISD and more recently, Academy ISD.

Temple is barely over 2000 students, and has never been much bigger than that. I doubt Temple High has ever had a senior class larger than 500.

In fact, Temple may very well drop to 4A very soon... If they didn't count the alternative campus (which i dont believe is required) they'd probably already be 4A. Temple wanted to stay 5A so they counted the alt. campus and that got them over 2100.












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Maybe a myth but one the swirled furiously 20+ years ago.

That swirled around for the last 30 years because Temple was kicking ass back in the day and rivals wanted to see it busted up. Everybody assumed it was a huge school when it never was.

There was zero basis for Temple busting up. It was, and is, a small 5A school. And will probably soon be a 4A school..





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My bad. It never split because it couldn't. The land situation was/is a huge issue.

Exactly. The land situation is the albatross around TiSD's neck --- in perpetuity

i'm lolilng at the speculations in this tread about the future of Belton.

Why? Are we off base?





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The city of Belton or BISD?

Temple schools have a different history. I wish I could find verification, but I KNOW this from what I heard as a child.

Temple ISD was orginally a city chartered school and its boundary was identical to that of the city of Temple at the time. At the time when the small schools were consolidating into larger districts, Temple schools were still a city of Temple function. So there was no interest in taking in outer areas and having to add bussing to the expenses. Temple city buses and the streetcar system handled transportation. So when Seaton and a number of other little schools, I know one was named Armstrong and I don't know the others, all closed, instead of Temple schools expanding into outer territory, those areas became part of troy, Belton, Rogers, and Academy districts, Temple schools were landlocked. The town grew and its limits expanded, but the schools did not expand with it.

3G,

Yep. I wasn't aware of the exact sequence, but I knew the die was cast decades ago, and is the reason Temple ISD is landlocked with no hope for future growth...

Good info...

I can find history that it was a city run school at first, but have never been able to find the date of transfer to the ISD. Wish I could. Did find that 12 grade was added in Texas in 1939. I knew that when both my parents went through high school in Texas there were only 11 grades.

Pablo, we had, at last count, 2,350 kids. There have been senior classes over 600, but not recently.

You're right, though. That myth is still perpetuated. Of course, now, the myth is that we have 2,350 thugs and my life and the lives of mythree sons have always been in jeopardy. Lol

Those are my personal favorite myths, but I digress.

As you noted, our outstanding theater program causes a lot of kids to go out of state....plus, the large number of doctors kids who want to get out of the area.

I understand that Belton includes Waskow in their numbers, but that might bea myth, also.

Regardless, I've always liked that college-bound wall at Belton. It's pretty cool.

When the north west quadrant became an industrial park, it reduced the area where housing could have grown for TISD. It is a good district that does not deserve the slams it gets.

NO school district is perfect.

Doh!!

Thanks for the correction, jan. I had heard THS graduating classes had maxed out around 500, but I will take your word, as you are most definitely closer to the situation...

as for the 2300, that I am surprised about. I have seen figures fluctuate mostly around 2000-2100 for the last several years.

Temple reported 2144 for the current alignment. Only 54 above the 5A cutoff of 2090.

I had been told that Temple did not want to drop to 4A, so they counted the students at the alternative school, which is perfectly within the rules, as I understand it. They don't HAVE to count them, but they CAN count them if they choose. They have chosen to do so, I am told, and I agree with that decision. I think a drop to 4A, while perhaps inevitable at some point, would royally suck for THS.

I hope THS hangs on in 5A as long as possible... It's not necessarily about dropping enrollment. It may be that the UIL raises the 5A cutoff (currently at 2090) which would make it close...

I'll try to double check all that, and feel free to add to it, or refute it. I guess the admin would provide the info, but I'd rather take your word for it!

3G,

Indeed, far NW Temple is one of the last areas for expansion. There is a little in northeast and east.

Below is the District map. It kind of illustrates the problem, IMO. Compare the available, undeveloped land for TISD to that of Belton and it kind of hits home. Athough, I will say there is more undeveloped land in eastern and southeastern TISD than I thought...

Wonder if they will ever build houses there......
















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Temple is barely over 2000 students, and has never been much bigger than that. I doubt Temple High has ever had a senior class larger than 500.

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I graduated from Temple in 2003 and we graduated 573. Temple not having a lot of kids not going to A&M is all about demographics. All the kids in the IB program bolt out for someplace not in Texas .

Yes, I was corrected. I had previously been told 500 was the cap. It was actually around 600.

The point really was that Temple HS has never been the behemoth in need of a split as has been assumed by many for years, and was frequently claimed by the folks of Bryan, Killeen, Belton, Waco, etc...

Pablo,

Not saying that I am right, but wondering how old that map is....there are (I thought) a lot more developments in south Temple on 31st street and 5th street that what that map shows I think. Many of which are actually in Academy isd.

I think some of the areas on south fm 93 you can pick the school district. Temple or academy

And Temple's racism blocks some of the east side growth. People associate that side of town with the black community. They dont' want to move to the other side of the "wrong" side. If they do they move all the way East to be in the Rogers district. I don't agree with the mentality, but I think it is that way.

Temple also seemed to have lacked a master plan for growth outside the alphabet and number streets. So everything is random on the edges.