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There have been some real interesting studies on this done recently as a good generality the boys of '61 were single men, after that, the married men who had more to lose either enlisted or were drafted.


For example Hood's Texas Brigade raised in 1861 had more single men than married , while Walker's Texas Division raised in 1862 had more married men than single men.
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Haven't seen any info to back this up but perhaps its because the CSA had to dip much deeper into the male population than did the yankees. Married family men up north could probably find many ways to avoid their draft where our boys , married or single, HAD to join the fight as it was fight for home, hearth and survival. Manpower was a constant struggle for the Confederacy while the vile yankee hordes had damn near unlimited resources in all areas.
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Not to mention that the Yankees could grab Irish immigrants off the boat in New York harbor and put them into the ranks.
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CanyonAg77 said:

Not to mention that the Yankees could grab Irish immigrants off the boat in New York harbor and put them into the ranks.


Yep but ..... our Micks whipped the hell outa their Micks at Fredericksburg!!
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British colonists enslaved large numbers of native Americans. And, significant numbers of native Americans later owned African slaves.
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As I said it was a generality but the same held true in the north, the Boys of 61 were generally younger and single, the married men had jobs and families they were not as anxious to go. Remember it was going to be a short war. As the war drug on they had to go to fill the ranks and of course both sides had to resort to the draft after the bloody campaigns of 62. It wasn't the Irish that made the difference at the end, it was black soldiers. In April 65 there were as many black soldiers in the Federal army as there were Confederate soldiers in the entire Confederacy.
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BQ78 said:

As I said it was a generality but the same held true in the north, the Boys of 61 were generally younger and single, the married men had jobs and families they were not as anxious to go. Remember it was going to be a short war. As the war drug on they had to go to fill the ranks and of course both sides had to resort to the draft after the bloody campaigns of 62. It wasn't the Irish that made the difference at the end, it was black soldiers. In April 65 there were as many black soldiers in the Federal army as there were Confederate soldiers in the entire Confederacy.
If you look at the British in WWI you see a very similar trend. The youngest, best and brightest volunteered at the outset of the war. Fast forward a couple of years and a couple hundred thousand dead and wounded, the Brits began to rely on conscripts to fill the ranks. Problem being, the most reliable and enthusiastic about the war were already chewed up and the incoming conscripts, men who were not that willing to volunteer and fight, became the larger portion of the ranks. The fear of "political reliability" of the troops increased.

When the US entered the war it initially relied on volunteers but quickly slowed that process and implemented the draft as a method to prevent this issue from arising if the war was protracted. Understanding a need to have a balance between the enthusiastic and the hesitant should not be lost when a prolonged war looms.
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Double D-day:

Deputy Travis Junior
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Gladiators made product endorsements before matches.
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There were 15 colonies and not 13. The two that made up Florida stayed loyal to the British, so history largely ignores them.

The original Underground Railroad didn't go north, it went south to Florida, where the Spanish took in the slaves as free men and women for over 100 years.

It won't be until 2055 that the US has had longer control over Florida than Spain had.

Florida and Georgia were an international border for about a half century,

Winners write the history. And PBS documentaries rule.
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On a PBS show tonight (We'll Meet Again) it told that Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany were considered "stateless persons", and most countries would not accept them. That, I knew. What I didn't know was that Shanghai would accept them, and that some 30,000 Jewish refugees had made it to Shanghai by the outbreak of WWII.

Of course, it sucked for them when the Japanese took over and forced them into the Shaghai Ghetto. Many died, but it was better than Germany.
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CanyonAg77 said:

On a PBS show tonight (We'll Meet Again) it told that Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany were considered "stateless persons", and most countries would not accept them. That, I knew. What I didn't know was that Shanghai would accept them, and that some 30,000 Jewish refugees had made it to Shanghai by the outbreak of WWII.

Of course, it sucked for them when the Japanese took over and forced them into the Shaghai Ghetto. Many died, but it was better than Germany.
I watched that tonight too. Awesome episode.
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Yeah, the Japanese woman and her friend who stood by her was tear-jerking.

As bad as it was to intern citizens, I understand the fear and anger of the people of the time. And when you look at how many recent immigrants refuse to assimilate, it's not surprising how the recent Japanese immigrants Of that time were looked at with suspicion.
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Another incredibly important aspect of the Holocaust; stateless jews were ALWAYS more likely to be killed. Whether that it is Polish jews in France or the British isles or Czech jews in Hungary or even Romanian jews that lived in regions that the Romania just recovered, they were always morr likely to be killed. Conversely, people with diplomatic status were most able to save jews; Wallenberg in Hungary or Sugihara giving Polish jews transit papers to Japan.
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I recently learned that the status of a child born between a slave and a free person was originally determined by the father in early colonial America until the Elizabeth Key case. She was eventually freed when it was determined her father was a white man. Later on, the House of Burgesses would switch it to a maternal system, which benefitted a many slave owners.

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A few nights ago, caught a bit of Rescue Dawn, the fictionalized version of the Dieter Dengler story. It led me to the only successful POW rescue raid of the Vietnam War. No Americans were rescued, but the CIA rescued prisoners of the Pathet Lao, including former Air America employees.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_Ban_Naden
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Here's mine.

The battlefield at Waterloo was essentially a two-dimensional funnel, in which Wellington positioned his line at the narrow end. As long as Wellington held Hougomont and Haye Sainte, the result of the battle was inevitable: uncontrolled slaughter focused in a very narrow space, with the only regulation of the carnage being the speed at which Napoleon fed men down the funnel.

Victory was not inevitable for either side, but Okinawa-like aggregate casualties were inevitable.

I wish that I could post a link for this analysis, but I really did not understand the role of the terrain until I spent a Sunday walking the battlefield in September of last year.

Wellington knew what he was doing when chose that spot. He had passed through the area with the Prince of Orange a year or so before, while inspecting the frontier defenses designed to contain France.
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You had never heard of the Rosetta Stone?
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The History of Rome, but only up to 46 BC. Found that podcast through listening to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History podcast.
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Alvin York allowed his story to be told in a movie in part to counteract Charles Lindbergh's isolationist speeches.

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Just read an article that Cheddar Man was black.

Not sure if I believe it though. Everything is politicized these days and it doesn't seem possible that skin color could evolve from black to white in less than 4000 years (Otzi is the oldest Western European body found with its skin intact and he was white).
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hennyj15 said:

Just read an article that Cheddar Man was black.

Not sure if I believe it though. Everything is politicized these days and it doesn't seem possible that skin color could evolve from black to white in less than 4000 years (Otzi is the oldest Western European body found with its skin intact and he was white).


Isn't politicized to automatically assume the science must be bad?

As for the time between Cheddar Man and Otzi, you're assuming they are related. Cheddar Man migrated north from groups living around Spain. Otzi might be from a different group. It's also been suggested that farming caused a vitamin D deficiency that led to lighter skin over time. In which case 4000 years seems plausible.
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Dr. Watson said:

hennyj15 said:

Just read an article that Cheddar Man was black.

Not sure if I believe it though. Everything is politicized these days and it doesn't seem possible that skin color could evolve from black to white in less than 4000 years (Otzi is the oldest Western European body found with its skin intact and he was white).


Isn't politicized to automatically assume the science must be bad?

As for the time between Cheddar Man and Otzi, you're assuming they are related. Cheddar Man migrated north from groups living around Spain. Otzi might be from a different group. It's also been suggested that farming caused a vitamin D deficiency that led to lighter skin over time. In which case 4000 years seems plausible.


But actual Africans didn't develop the same deficiency when they started farming? People only turned white in Europe when we started farming?

I'll admit the first Europeans were probably black 200,000 years ago but skin color evolution had more to do with climate than farming.

They probably had a result in mindthey wanted before they started their research.
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It would relate to the amount of sunshine they received. Africans at the Equator are going to have less trouble getting enough Vitamin D through sunlight. The bigger problem would be preventing sunburn. Opposite issue in Northern Europe.
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That process would have started 200,000 years ago. Not suddenly 8,000 years ago.
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WhoopRAB said:

Learned that Rosetta Stone is something other than a language course.

The Rosetta Stone is a granodiorite stele, found in 1799, inscribed with three versions of a decree issued at Memphis, Egypt in 196 BC during the Ptolemaic dynasty on behalf of King Ptolemy V. The top and middle texts are in Ancient Egyptian using hieroglyphic script and Demotic script, respectively, while the bottom is in Ancient Greek. As the decree has only minor differences between the three versions, the Rosetta Stone proved to be the key to deciphering Egyptian hieroglyphs. Continues on Wikipedia


Dude. Seriously?
Sapper Redux
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Based on what? Mutations can happen quickly in adverse environments.
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Bone Spurs would let you avoid the Nam era draft

Apache and Comanche buffalo hunters camped along the Conco River for centuries. No word yet on the ones with bone spurs
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The Paris Peace Conference banned the Central Powers from competing in the 1920 Olympics.

Also, the 1916 Olympics in Berlin were cancelled due to the outbreak of WWI. As we all know, Berlin hosted in 1936 instead. And humble brag - I met Jesse Owens as a young boy in 1979.

Final comment..I love this thread but let's not judge posters here because they're not aware of some historical events that many think they should be. We need more posters here, not less. Plenty of "common" history gets posted in this forum that I know nothing about. Most of us choose what history we read about and ignore the rest. I'd be embarrassed to answer the most basic questions about the Revolutionary War but can tell you the most obscure crap about Soviet interrogation techniques. There's so much to learn and we only have so much time to dedicate ourselves to it.

Sermon over. Carry on...
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hennyj15 said:

Just read an article that Cheddar Man was black.

Not sure if I believe it though. Everything is politicized these days and it doesn't seem possible that skin color could evolve from black to white in less than 4000 years (Otzi is the oldest Western European body found with its skin intact and he was white).


I was taught that breeding with Neanderthal genes caused pale skin. Basically all white people are part Neanderthal
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Ciboag96 said:

hennyj15 said:

Just read an article that Cheddar Man was black.

Not sure if I believe it though. Everything is politicized these days and it doesn't seem possible that skin color could evolve from black to white in less than 4000 years (Otzi is the oldest Western European body found with its skin intact and he was white).


I was taught that breeding with Neanderthal genes caused pale skin. Basically all white people are part Neanderthal


Asians too.
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Cen-Tex said:

Learned that one of Amanda Blake's ancestors, Catherine (Kate) Moore Barry was a heroine of the American Revolutionary War. She warned the militia of Sir Banastre Tarleton's approach, giving them time to group and prepare for the Battle of Cowpens in 1781.

Amanda Blake played the role of Miss Kitty Russell, owner of the Longbranch Saloon, on the Gunsmoke tv series from 1955-1974.

She eventually married a fellow who had been mayor of Austin, Texas. What he forgot to tell her was that he was gay. She died of AIDS.
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I recently learned the full in depth story on Cortez' conquest of the valley Mexico, after listening to Daniele Bolelli's History on Fire. Had no idea the Aztecs (or Mejica as they referred to themsleves as) had such a technologically and socially advanced society. Even had a zoo. Next on the docket is Guns, Germs and Steel to get a little deeper into it.

Also, I learned you did not want to become a captive or slave of the Aztecs, especially if you were from a rival clan. The amount of human sacrifice and the seemingly cavalier attitude towards it was quite shocking.
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jickyjack1 said:

Cen-Tex said:

Learned that one of Amanda Blake's ancestors, Catherine (Kate) Moore Barry was a heroine of the American Revolutionary War. She warned the militia of Sir Banastre Tarleton's approach, giving them time to group and prepare for the Battle of Cowpens in 1781.

Amanda Blake played the role of Miss Kitty Russell, owner of the Longbranch Saloon, on the Gunsmoke tv series from 1955-1974.

She eventually married a fellow who had been mayor of Austin, Texas. What he forgot to tell her was that he was gay. She died of AIDS.
Growing up, a classmate of mine's dad owned a Beechcraft Bonanza airplane. They always said that Amanda Blake was the previous owner. So there's my fourth-hand brush with fame.
 
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