What is a historical fact or situation you learned about this year of which you were

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Bonanza and Gunsmoke in the same thread? Awesome!

Also, Amanda Blake was married to Mark Spaeth, who was HIV positive, and an Austin City Councilman, but never Mayor.
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jay07ag said:

I recently learned the full in depth story on Cortez' conquest of the valley Mexico, after listening to Daniele Bolelli's History on Fire. Had no idea the Aztecs (or Mejica as they referred to themsleves as) had such a technologically and socially advanced society. Even had a zoo. Next on the docket is Guns, Germs and Steel to get a little deeper into it.

Also, I learned you did not want to become a captive or slave of the Aztecs, especially if you were from a rival clan. The amount of human sacrifice and the seemingly cavalier attitude towards it was quite shocking.


How'd you get past his accent?
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RedAgs01 said:

jay07ag said:

I recently learned the full in depth story on Cortez' conquest of the valley Mexico, after listening to Daniele Bolelli's History on Fire. Had no idea the Aztecs (or Mejica as they referred to themsleves as) had such a technologically and socially advanced society. Even had a zoo. Next on the docket is Guns, Germs and Steel to get a little deeper into it.

Also, I learned you did not want to become a captive or slave of the Aztecs, especially if you were from a rival clan. The amount of human sacrifice and the seemingly cavalier attitude towards it was quite shocking.


How'd you get past his accent?


Struggled with it for the first hour or two, but you get used to it eventually.
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Dr. Watson said:

Based on what? Mutations can happen quickly in adverse environments.
No. With some exceptions where the environment has more mutagens.

Mutations create variation at a relatively constant rate. Selection and drift affect which ones increase in populations.
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A bunch of stuff from the Ken Burns Vietnam documentary.

I haven't read Daniel Ellsberg's new book yet, but the interviews and reviews already taught me some stuff I didn't know. For one thing, I didn't know he's been sitting on a bigger story than the Pentagon papers all these years. But more interesting is what he didn't leak until now

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/11/daniel-ellsberg-on-the-doomsday-machine.html

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In his book, Ellsberg gives a first-person account of what he reckons was humanity's closest brush with annihilation. During the Cuban Missile Crisis, in October 1962, he was called into emergency duty at the Pentagon. (He crashed some nights on a leather couch belonging to Paul Nitze, a top Defense Department official.) At the time, Ellsberg thought there was little chance that the confrontation would go nuclear. What he didn't realize until many years later is that the Russian leader Nikita Khrushchev was more reckless than he presumed, and had actually given his commanders in Cuba the authority to use nuclear weapons at the first sign of an American invasion. "He wasn't an insane person," Ellsberg says. "He just did insane things from time to time."
According to a colleague who has read the book, some Russian sub officer saved us from nuclear war during the crisis by overruling other who wanted to launch while we were dropping training depth charges on them.

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Found more about the incident

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/04/568310782/nuclear-war-planner-reflects-on-the-cold-war-and-assesses-the-current-threat
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ELLSBERG: Well, an incident that only became revealed many years after the Cuban missile crisis, in which I participated in 1962 - and I researched it really ever since. But it was decades before it became known that Khrushchev had in fact done something we thought no centralized communist commander would ever do or head of state. He had delegated and the Presidium, Politburo had delegated before President Kennedy's speech on October 22 announcing the blockade - they had delegated authority to local commanders to use their nuclear weapons.

Moreover, their submarines had nuclear torpedoes aboard which we didn't know. Now, one of those actually under what they thought was a depth bomb attack on the most critical day of the crisis, October 27 - they thought they were being attacked and were going to go down. And two - the commander and his second in command both needed - their decision was both needed. Both decided to fire a nuclear torpedo at the destroyers and the carriers that were harassing them.

DAVIES: The American destroyers, yeah, yeah.

ELLSBERG: Yeah. There happened to be - there was a carrier there in the vicinity, and we didn't even know there was a nuclear torpedo on those submarines. I would like to think we would not have been dropping mock depth charges on them to force them to the surface. But in any case, had a destroyer or a carrier blown up in the midst of the Caribbean, it would almost surely have been assumed at every level of our command that that had come from Cuba and that the time had come, as President Kennedy said in his speech on the 22, for an all-out attack on the Soviet Union. And that might not have waited for a presidential decision. It was one man who prevented that.

There was a commodore on that particular sub who was of the same military rank as the captain who had decided to shoot the torpedo, but as commodore, he did outrank him. And his position was - his decision was needed, too, and he decided not to do that. I think if he had decided otherwise or if he'd been on a different submarine not under attack at that moment, we wouldn't be here.
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Golfer Ben Hogan had an extra spike placed in each shoe to help with better footing during his golf swing.
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Cen-Tex said:

Golfer Ben Hogan had an extra spike placed in each shoe to help with better footing during his golf swing.


I recently read about the car crash he was in. It's insane that he not only survived but returned to championship golf.

Always liked Hogan. He was a lefty forced to play righty like me. As a kid it made me feel better about it.
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During the Cuban Missile Crisis, all the U2 surveillance aircraft from Texas were fired at...
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1223905881004083/permalink/1716396191755047/
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WW2 Japanese Unit 731.

The German scientists down to teenaged guards are rounded up for decades but these guys live to ripe old ages. Guess the Chinese and Russians were less than equal to other victim groups.



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Here's a new one for me. I recently learned that Adolph Hitler had a nephew in the US navy during WW2. His name was William Patrick Hitler. He changed his last name to Stuart-Houston. He was the son of Alois Hitler Jr (Adolph's brother) and Bridget Dowling.
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Cen-Tex said:

Here's a new one for me. I recently learned that Adolph Hitler had a nephew in the US navy during WW2. His name was William Patrick Hitler. He changed his last name to Stuart-Houston. He was the son of Alois Hitler Jr (Adolph's brother) and Bridget Dowling.
There was a fascinating show on the Hitler family on one of the nazi channels a while back. Perhaps in between the " Search for Alien Hitler Sasquatches on Oak Island" garbage that now infests these formerly good channels they will show it again.
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JaneDoe02 said:

The Aberfan Disaster

I'd never heard of it until a few weeks ago.

So horrible and so easily prevented.
details ?
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BigJim49 AustinNowDallas said:

JaneDoe02 said:

The Aberfan Disaster

I'd never heard of it until a few weeks ago.

So horrible and so easily prevented.
details ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberfan_disaster
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CanyonAg77 said:

BigJim49 AustinNowDallas said:

JaneDoe02 said:

The Aberfan Disaster

I'd never heard of it until a few weeks ago.

So horrible and so easily prevented.
details ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberfan_disaster



The Vajont Dam disaster in Italy is a similar event I learned about last year. An landslide caused a 850 foot high tsunami to hit a village in the Italian Alps.
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hennyj15 said:

CanyonAg77 said:

BigJim49 AustinNowDallas said:

JaneDoe02 said:

The Aberfan Disaster

I'd never heard of it until a few weeks ago.

So horrible and so easily prevented.
details ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberfan_disaster



The Vajont Dam disaster in Italy is a similar event I learned about last year. An landslide caused a 850 foot high tsunami to hit a village in the Italian Alps.
A Natural diasaster in Alaska forced a 1700 foot tsunami out of a bay, more amazingly, a boat in the harbor rode the crest of the wave out to sea.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_Lituya_Bay_megatsunami

Separate note, and again PBS assisted...

Everyone knows about the Iranian revolution and how big a world event it was, but how all the all the pieces fit together up to today was interesting to see, even if they were mostly known in isolation.
Saudi Arabia was relatively modern in the 70's. Women held jobs, headscarves weren't worn etc. A few months after the Iranian revolution, Shi'a in eastern Saudi Arabia rose up at the urging of the Iranians, the Saudis pulled troops from other places to quell it. One of the places with fewer troops was one of holiest places in Islam that turned into a blood bath and hostage situation when taken over by extremist Wahibbis upset about the modernization, and also in part inspired by the other revolutions. In order to quell the anger it had uncovered, many of the modern Saudi conservative social laws were enacted. Sadam invaded Iran because he saw the revolution as a direct threat to his power, which we of course supported. Meantime, the Saudis, scared about the implications of the revolution began funding the madrassas in Pakistan as a buffer against Iran. Russia, sensing the turmoil used it as the time to invade Afghanistan, where we funded a Pakistan junta that was de-secularizing the country, which we accepted as a necessary evil to fight the Russians. We turned decisions for the Afghans over to Pakistan in the post war era, who in turn funded the more radical elements in Afghanistan becuase they were more controllable.
We all know where it all ended up.
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Bath School Disaster in 1927. Still remains the deadliest school massacre that resulted in 45 fatalities (44 at school) and 58 injuries. Perp used several hundred pounds of dynamite and pyrotol.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
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Bath needed common sense dynamite controls.
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Love this question. After 55 years I just found out that jeff Davis was offered the first presidency of our school by Gov Richard Coke. Fascinating. Regardless of ones politics, the history of this country and this school's place in it is - at the very least - colorful.

I only found out after watching Spielberg's "Lincoln" for the fourth time. Was searching up info on Alexander Stephens. I knew a lot about Davis and RE Lee but not so much about Stephens. Found this nugget which is evidently part of the history Corps of Cadets have to know (or at least used to).
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Nothing specific, but I have spent a lot of time reading about the Eastern European nations and their collective experience between and during the two World Wars.

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Just how much public popularity JFK had.

Currently watching JFK the final hours on National Geographic. I knew the details of his Texas trip, but have never seen the videos of the crowds.

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The eldest sons of the original "Siamese Twins", Chang & Eng Bunker (who were married to the Yates sisters), were both soldiers in the Confederate Army. The Bunker twins were adamant Southerners residing in North Carolina as farmers who owned slaves...ironically after having been brought to the US as slaves themselves. Chang's son, Christopher Wren Bunker, enlisted in Co I, 37th VA Cavalry; he was wounded and captured in July 1864 and imprisoned in Camp Chase outside of Columbus OH. Eng's son, Stephen Decatur Bunker, enlisted in the same Cavalry unit was wounded on two occasions and finally captured and imprisoned following the September 3, 1864 battle near Winchester VA. After the war, they returned to Mount Airy, NC where they were farmers. Interestingly, Christopher wrote some 20+ letters to his sister that are archived in the University of North Carolina's Wilson Libray...they are the only known papers to exist written by a soldier of Asian descent on either side of the war.
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I find this interesting. I can't help but think that some time between the fall of '66 when I was a fish and the time you got there, the Jeff Davis connection was purposefully dropped from the history of A&M. Supposedly Davis visited the sight of the proposed college and was quoted as saying "I'd rather go back to the yankee prison than spend one more day in Brazos County." Davis recommended Thomas Gathright (sp?) who at the time was head of public education in Mississippi.
The person that is not willing to fight and die, if need be, for his country has no right to life.

James Earl Rudder '32
January 31, 1945
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Andy Griffith was from Mt. Airy, and the fictional Mayberry is based off of it. Would be interesting to know if Griffith had any contact with the Bunker family.

I also read some accounts that claim that Chang and Eng were the first Buddhists in America, and also the first Asians to be citizens, although the claim is that it wasn't legal for them to be citizens.

http://www.mayberrycampground.com/history---attractions.html

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Mayberry Campground is a privately owned RV park located in the small town of Mt. Airy, NC which is often referred to as Mayberry. The land the campground is built on was once part of a 2,000 acre farm owned by the original Siamese twins, Eng and Chang Bunker. The twins and their wives, Sarah (Eng) and Adelaide (Chang), settled in Mt. Airy, NC. Eng and Chang each had their own home and would stay at one residence for three nights, then go to the other residence for three nights. Eng and Sara had 11 children while Chang and Adelaide had 10. The twins were never separated and died on January 17, 1874 at the age of 62.

Within the campground property there is a white farmhouse (pictured left) that was built by Eng's son, William Bunker in 1900. Occasional tours are offered to groups interested in viewing the old homeplace. The campground owner, Benny East, is the great-great grandson of Eng. His mother, Ruby Bunker East, was born and raised in the farmhouse along with her 5 sisters. Benny's daughter's, Kali and Lakin East can also be found working at the campground and are great-great-great granddaughters of Eng.

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Did you hear what Patton said about Aggies? That's got more truth to it than the Jeff Davis Brazos County story.
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Ohio congressman Clement Vallandingham was a harsh critic on how Lincoln was conducting the war. Having enough of the seditious rhetoric, he was arrested and found guilty of violating General Order 38. Instead of sending him to prison, the Lincoln administration had a sitting US congressman handed over to the confederates at the front lines near Murfreesboro in 1863.
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Cen-Tex:

I learned something new about old Clement this past weekend. As you may know the 13th Amendment freed the slaves but in 1860-61 there were over 62 amendments proposed to save the Union. Only one of those the Corwin Amendment that would have enshrined slavery into the Constitution was passed by Congress and actually ratified by five states before everything fell apart at Ft.Sumter.

Well one of those other 62 amendments was proposed by Vallandigham who wanted to created four chief executives representing four regions (north, south, west and Pacific). Each of those executives would have veto power over the other three. Brilliant idea....Not!
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I'm listening to a podcast on the french revolution right now. I had no idea it was so murderous. Any party that got the slightest bit of power started chopping off the heads of anyone who barely disagreed with them.

It really should make you appreciate how classy and honorable our founding fathers were.
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Half the time, they were chopping the heads off guys from their own party! Even if Person A & Person B agreed on literally everything and were partners in every way, Person A would have Person B killed if he thought Person B was getting more popular and might one day stab him in the back.

The Reign of Terror was a freaking circus

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Which pod cast? I know very little about the French Rev but have become a bit more curious over the last year or so
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Stive said:

Which pod cast? I know very little about the French Rev but have become a bit more curious over the last year or so


Revolutions podcast by Mike Duncan. The same guy that did the History of Rome.

Edit to say I would listen to his podcasts on the American Revolution first since some Americans played roles in the French Revolution. I had no idea Thomas Payne ended up in a French prison and was probably a few days away from getting his own head chopped off when the reign of terror ended.
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DartAg1970 said:

I didn't know that the British fired on and attacked French battleships during WW2. Evidently, after the surrender of the French there were several battleships in the Mediterranean and once the French declined to give the battleships to the British, they decided to sink them rather than risk them falling into the hands of the Nazis.
Yeah, I read about and watched a doc on this for my WW2 class in my graduate program. Pretty surprising.
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Excellent podcast. I thought the one on the Haitian revolution was the best, just because I knew so little about it
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I didn't realize UK offered to merge countries with France prior to France surrendering to the Nazis. Guess the French thought Britain would,fall so best to kiss up to the nazies sooner than later
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BQ_90 said:

I didn't realize UK offered to merge countries with France prior to France surrendering to the Nazis. Guess the French thought Britain would,fall so best to kiss up to the nazies sooner than later

Maybe I'm not being analytical enough....but what would that have accomplished in the end?
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Never heard this story before....

Was the newlywed mechanic who stole a plane shot down?

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In 1969, at the height of the Cold War, a homesick, hungover mechanic in the US Air Force stole a plane from his base in East Anglia and set off for Virginia. Nearly two hours later, he disappeared suddenly over the English Channel. Did he simply crash or was he shot down? Emma Jane Kirby has been scouring the archives to find out.

Didn't know a USAF Hercules couple be flown by a single pilot and also make long distance phone calls....

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I've known for some time that 23-year-old Sgt Paul Meyer called his wife from the cockpit of his stolen Hercules aircraft - Jane Goodson, as she's now called, told me this herself when she spoke to me from her home in Virginia.

"Honey!" he had told her triumphantly, waking her from a deep sleep. "I got a bird in the sky and I'm coming home!"

What I didn't realise then, however, was that the last 20 minutes or so of their conversation was recorded. And when the transcript of that recording was sent to me, I will admit that I sat down and wept.

By the time the tape recorder was rolling, Meyer's jubilation and bravado had left him. The cold reality of what he'd just done - and what lay ahead - had hit him squarely.
 
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