Day 2 of Operation Market Garden.
These guys do a great job of walking the grounds, so enjoy
These guys do a great job of walking the grounds, so enjoy
On this day in..........
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Day 3 Operation Market Garden, lets walk the grounds of Arnhem and Oosterbeek
I just realize you were posting videos with Al Murray and James Holland. Their podcast is terrific.
JABQ04 said:
I just realize you were posting videos with Al Murray and James Holland. Their podcast is terrific.
Subscribe to their YouTube page as they have excellent videos of walking Normandy sights
Ok, here's Oosterbeek and Hartenstein walk about video
'Out of ammunition. God Save the King.'
Final message from 2nd Bn the Parachute Regiment at Arnhem Bridge, 20 September 1944.
Final message from 2nd Bn the Parachute Regiment at Arnhem Bridge, 20 September 1944.
As dawn came on Tuesday, 26 September 1944, the Germans, at first surprised that the 1st Airborne Division had gone, quickly moved into the perimeter of Oosterbeek. Most of the 300 British soldiers who were left on the Rhine river bank were rounded up and marched off, but some managed to evade capture by hiding in the woods. The wounded, who had not already been evacuated during the brief ceasefire, were picked up from the dressing stations and from many houses.
The battle was a costly defeat for the 1st British Airborne Division from which it never recovered. Three-quarters of the division were missing when it returned to England, including two of the three brigade commanders, eight of the nine battalion commanders and 26 of the 30 infantry company commanders. About 500 men were in hiding north of the Rhine and many of these were able to escape during the winter, initially in Operation Pegasus.
The battles of Arnhem and Oosterbeek were over, but the 43rd Wessex Division remained in position around Driel and Elst and were subjected to an ever-increasing storm of artillery, mortar and machine-gun fire by an enemy reinforced daily. The Germans made several strong attacks, mainly from the east, in effort to pinch out the British hold on the river, but after some heavy fighting they were held off. On 5/6 October 1944 the 101st Airborne Division took over the 43rd Division area of responsibility.
The battle was a costly defeat for the 1st British Airborne Division from which it never recovered. Three-quarters of the division were missing when it returned to England, including two of the three brigade commanders, eight of the nine battalion commanders and 26 of the 30 infantry company commanders. About 500 men were in hiding north of the Rhine and many of these were able to escape during the winter, initially in Operation Pegasus.
The battles of Arnhem and Oosterbeek were over, but the 43rd Wessex Division remained in position around Driel and Elst and were subjected to an ever-increasing storm of artillery, mortar and machine-gun fire by an enemy reinforced daily. The Germans made several strong attacks, mainly from the east, in effort to pinch out the British hold on the river, but after some heavy fighting they were held off. On 5/6 October 1944 the 101st Airborne Division took over the 43rd Division area of responsibility.
"A bridge too far."
Goose98 said:
"A bridge too far."
Yep, I visited there last year
The Kassel Mission (September 27, 1944)
a disastrous daylight bombing mission by the US Army Air Forces (USAAF):
When: September 27, 1944.
Who: The 445th Heavy Bombardment Group of the US Eighth Air Force, flying B-24 Liberators.
Target: The Henschel & Sohn armored vehicle factories.
Details:
Due to a navigational error by the lead aircraft, the 445th Group became separated from its fighter escort and missed its primary target.
On the return flight, the unescorted formation was ambushed by a large force of German Luftwaffe fighters.
The ensuing aerial battle resulted in the greatest single-day loss suffered by an American bomber group from one airfield in the history of the USAAF. Out of 35 B-24s that proceeded to the target area, 25 were shot down within minutes, and only four returned safely to base.
a disastrous daylight bombing mission by the US Army Air Forces (USAAF):
When: September 27, 1944.
Who: The 445th Heavy Bombardment Group of the US Eighth Air Force, flying B-24 Liberators.
Target: The Henschel & Sohn armored vehicle factories.
Details:
Due to a navigational error by the lead aircraft, the 445th Group became separated from its fighter escort and missed its primary target.
On the return flight, the unescorted formation was ambushed by a large force of German Luftwaffe fighters.
The ensuing aerial battle resulted in the greatest single-day loss suffered by an American bomber group from one airfield in the history of the USAAF. Out of 35 B-24s that proceeded to the target area, 25 were shot down within minutes, and only four returned safely to base.
Yes, that was a massacre. It amazes me that men had the fortitude to climb aboard these machines to fly into such environments that regularly resulted in high casualty numbers.
Lawrence Sullivan Ross was born September 27, 1838 at Bentonsport, Iowa Territory. In 1839 his family migrated to Texas, first settling in Milam County. By 1849 the family had settled at Waco. Sul Ross attended Baylor University at Independence, Texas and graduated from Wesleyan University, Florence, Alabama in 1859.
In the summer of 1858, Ross signed on with the U. S. Army as the leader of a band of Indian auxiliaries from the Brazos Indian Reservation. His skill and courage were noted by the regular army officers, but he nearly lost his life in October 1858 during a battle with Comanches at the Wichita Village near Rush Springs, Oklahoma. Recovering from his wounds, he returned to college and graduated the next spring.
Ross joined the Texas Rangers in 1860, first serving as a lieutenant and later as a captain. He was empowered by Sam Houston to raise a company of men to serve in Young County and the surrounding area. He showed the same skill and courage as a Ranger captain as he had shown earlier with the army. In December of 1860 he and his company pursued a Comanche raiding party that ended in the battle of Pease River in which Cynthia Ann Parker, who had been captured by the Comanche some 20 years earlier, was rescued. Ross resigned from the Rangers at the beginning of the Civil War.
Ross enlisted in the Confederate Army in 1861. He was soon promoted to the rank of major of the 6th Texas Calvary, and in May 1862 he was promoted to colonel. He was promoted to brigadier-general as a reward for his skill in covering the retreat of Gen. Earl Van Dorn from Corinth, Mississippi in 1863. He commanded a brigade in Wheeler's cavalry, Army of Tennessee, and later was in command of the Texas Calvary, Army of the West.
Returning to Texas after the war, he took up farming. He served as sheriff of McLennan County from 1873 - 1875, He was a member of the 1875 state constitutional convention, served as a state senator from 1881 - 1886 and as governor of Texas from 1887 - 1891. It was during his term in office that the new state capitol building was completed. Following his last term in office he was appointed president of the struggling Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas (now Texas A & M University), an office he held until his death on January 3, 1898, in College Station.
Ross is one of the original Texas Ranger Hall of Fame inductees from February 6, 1976.
https://www.texasranger.org/Hall-of-Fame/Ross-Lawrence
In the summer of 1858, Ross signed on with the U. S. Army as the leader of a band of Indian auxiliaries from the Brazos Indian Reservation. His skill and courage were noted by the regular army officers, but he nearly lost his life in October 1858 during a battle with Comanches at the Wichita Village near Rush Springs, Oklahoma. Recovering from his wounds, he returned to college and graduated the next spring.
Ross joined the Texas Rangers in 1860, first serving as a lieutenant and later as a captain. He was empowered by Sam Houston to raise a company of men to serve in Young County and the surrounding area. He showed the same skill and courage as a Ranger captain as he had shown earlier with the army. In December of 1860 he and his company pursued a Comanche raiding party that ended in the battle of Pease River in which Cynthia Ann Parker, who had been captured by the Comanche some 20 years earlier, was rescued. Ross resigned from the Rangers at the beginning of the Civil War.
Ross enlisted in the Confederate Army in 1861. He was soon promoted to the rank of major of the 6th Texas Calvary, and in May 1862 he was promoted to colonel. He was promoted to brigadier-general as a reward for his skill in covering the retreat of Gen. Earl Van Dorn from Corinth, Mississippi in 1863. He commanded a brigade in Wheeler's cavalry, Army of Tennessee, and later was in command of the Texas Calvary, Army of the West.
Returning to Texas after the war, he took up farming. He served as sheriff of McLennan County from 1873 - 1875, He was a member of the 1875 state constitutional convention, served as a state senator from 1881 - 1886 and as governor of Texas from 1887 - 1891. It was during his term in office that the new state capitol building was completed. Following his last term in office he was appointed president of the struggling Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas (now Texas A & M University), an office he held until his death on January 3, 1898, in College Station.
Ross is one of the original Texas Ranger Hall of Fame inductees from February 6, 1976.
https://www.texasranger.org/Hall-of-Fame/Ross-Lawrence
Great post.
And I'll add to it just a bit: in 2020, an attempt was made to remove the statue of the man who essentially saved Texas A&M University from being absorbed by that school out west. Thankfully, that attempt failed.
And I'll add to it just a bit: in 2020, an attempt was made to remove the statue of the man who essentially saved Texas A&M University from being absorbed by that school out west. Thankfully, that attempt failed.
OTD in 1957, the New York (baseball) Giants played their last game at the Polo grounds in NYC.
The Giants and Dodgers would move to the West Coast to start the 1958 season.
The Giants and Dodgers would move to the West Coast to start the 1958 season.
1886 the Statue of Liberty is unveiled
The First Chapter of the A&M College, the Battalion, April 1, 1900
William A. Trenckmann 1878
the rest of the story by clicking the link and reading the multiple pages at your leisure
William A. Trenckmann 1878
the rest of the story by clicking the link and reading the multiple pages at your leisure
Oct 3, 1863 - The Confederate Roll Of Honor was established by Gen. Samuel Cooper to recognize "Courage and good conduct in the field of battle."
A year earlier the Confederate Congress authorized the President to issue actual medals, however, delays and lack of manufacturing capability led to Gen Cooper issuing General Order No. 131 establishing the Roll Of Honor. Nominations for the 'Roll' were made and voted on by company members after each enemy engagement and read aloud to regiments. General Order No. 131 recognized bravery in the battles of Murfreesboro, Chancellorsville and Gettysburg.
Subsequent general orders covered other battles.
https://collections.nlm.nih.gov/bookviewer?PID=nlm:nlmuid-101646068-bk
After the War Between the States, The United Daughters of the Confederacy and The Sons of Confederate Veterans have issued medals for recognition of bravery.
A year earlier the Confederate Congress authorized the President to issue actual medals, however, delays and lack of manufacturing capability led to Gen Cooper issuing General Order No. 131 establishing the Roll Of Honor. Nominations for the 'Roll' were made and voted on by company members after each enemy engagement and read aloud to regiments. General Order No. 131 recognized bravery in the battles of Murfreesboro, Chancellorsville and Gettysburg.
Subsequent general orders covered other battles.
https://collections.nlm.nih.gov/bookviewer?PID=nlm:nlmuid-101646068-bk
After the War Between the States, The United Daughters of the Confederacy and The Sons of Confederate Veterans have issued medals for recognition of bravery.
October 3, 1960: premiere of The Andy Griffith Show on CBS
The show debuted at 9:30 p.m. on October 3, 1960, following The Danny Thomas Show. Its first episode, "The New Housekeeper," introduced viewers to Mayberry as Andy and Opie adjust to Aunt Bee's arrival after their previous housekeeper leaves. From the start, the series stood out for its character-driven storytelling and Griffith's naturalistic performance, which grounded the show's gentle humor. Don Knotts' portrayal of Barney Fife became a breakout role, earning him five Emmy Awards for Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Comedy Series.
The show debuted at 9:30 p.m. on October 3, 1960, following The Danny Thomas Show. Its first episode, "The New Housekeeper," introduced viewers to Mayberry as Andy and Opie adjust to Aunt Bee's arrival after their previous housekeeper leaves. From the start, the series stood out for its character-driven storytelling and Griffith's naturalistic performance, which grounded the show's gentle humor. Don Knotts' portrayal of Barney Fife became a breakout role, earning him five Emmy Awards for Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Comedy Series.
October 3 has been an eventful day in my lifetime:
2009: The Battle of COP Keating/Kamdesh. I was in Afghanistan when this happened, at HQ ISAF, watching it on mIRC chat and BFT.
1993: Battle of Mogadishu
1990: Reunification of Germany
So, if anyone needs some movie viewing, I recommend The Outpost for COP Keating, and of course, Blackhawk Down.
ETA: before my time, but OTD in 1951, the greatest call in the history of sports radio: "THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT! THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT!"
2009: The Battle of COP Keating/Kamdesh. I was in Afghanistan when this happened, at HQ ISAF, watching it on mIRC chat and BFT.
1993: Battle of Mogadishu
1990: Reunification of Germany
So, if anyone needs some movie viewing, I recommend The Outpost for COP Keating, and of course, Blackhawk Down.
ETA: before my time, but OTD in 1951, the greatest call in the history of sports radio: "THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT! THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT!"
October 4, 1957
1529 - The Ottomans withdraw from the first siege of Vienna after failing to take the city. This siege is less known than the later siege and battle in 1683. The Ottomans attempted to take the city multiple times but were repulsed and didn't have the supplies with them for a prolonged siege.
On October 24, 1944, Arisan Maru was torpedoed and sunk by USS Shark SS-314.
Arisan Maru had no markings to indicate that it was carrying prisoners of war. Japanese ships rescued the Japanese crew and guards, pushing away the POWs in the water who attempted to be rescued.
Of the 1,782 US POWs being carried on Arisan Maru, only nine survived, resulting in the greatest loss of US life in maritime history.
A list of Aggies KIA due to this event:
Class of 1927 BOYD WILLIAM G Camp #1 - Cabanatuan Arisan Maru
Class of 1932 CURTIS WILLIAM A Camp #1 - Cabanatuan Arisan Maru
Class of 1934 COLLIER WILLIAM J JR Camp #4 - O'Donnell Tarlac Luzon Arisan Maru
Class of 1935 VICK ROY M JR A&M POW Camp #1 - Cabanatuan Arisan Maru
Class of 1936 HOLMES JAMES R Camp #1 - Cabanatuan Arisan Maru
Class of 1936 McCLUSKEY, JOHN B Philippines Unstated Arisan Maru
Class of 1938 BURGESS, EDGAR B Camp #1 - Cabanatuan Arisan Maru
Class of 1939 HENRY, JAMES M Camp #2 - Davao, Mindanao, Philippines Arisan Maru
Class of 1939 SCHUTTE HENRY J Camp #4 - O'Donnell Tarla,c Luzon, Philippines Arisan Maru
Class of 1940 MELVIN MILLARD R Camp #2 - Davao Mindanao, Philippines Arisan Maru
Class of 1940 STUKENBURG, JOHN D Philippines Unstated Arisan Maru
Class of 1941 GASKELL CHARLES E Philippines Unstated Arisan Maru
Class of 1941 JAMES, ANDY M Camp #1 - Cabanatuan Arisan Maru
Class of 1943 McMILLAN, GEORGE P Philippines Unstated Arisan Maru
The Arisan Maru Marker; Fredericksburg in Gillespie County, Texas
Arisan Maru had no markings to indicate that it was carrying prisoners of war. Japanese ships rescued the Japanese crew and guards, pushing away the POWs in the water who attempted to be rescued.
Of the 1,782 US POWs being carried on Arisan Maru, only nine survived, resulting in the greatest loss of US life in maritime history.
A list of Aggies KIA due to this event:
Class of 1927 BOYD WILLIAM G Camp #1 - Cabanatuan Arisan Maru
Class of 1932 CURTIS WILLIAM A Camp #1 - Cabanatuan Arisan Maru
Class of 1934 COLLIER WILLIAM J JR Camp #4 - O'Donnell Tarlac Luzon Arisan Maru
Class of 1935 VICK ROY M JR A&M POW Camp #1 - Cabanatuan Arisan Maru
Class of 1936 HOLMES JAMES R Camp #1 - Cabanatuan Arisan Maru
Class of 1936 McCLUSKEY, JOHN B Philippines Unstated Arisan Maru
Class of 1938 BURGESS, EDGAR B Camp #1 - Cabanatuan Arisan Maru
Class of 1939 HENRY, JAMES M Camp #2 - Davao, Mindanao, Philippines Arisan Maru
Class of 1939 SCHUTTE HENRY J Camp #4 - O'Donnell Tarla,c Luzon, Philippines Arisan Maru
Class of 1940 MELVIN MILLARD R Camp #2 - Davao Mindanao, Philippines Arisan Maru
Class of 1940 STUKENBURG, JOHN D Philippines Unstated Arisan Maru
Class of 1941 GASKELL CHARLES E Philippines Unstated Arisan Maru
Class of 1941 JAMES, ANDY M Camp #1 - Cabanatuan Arisan Maru
Class of 1943 McMILLAN, GEORGE P Philippines Unstated Arisan Maru
The Arisan Maru Marker; Fredericksburg in Gillespie County, Texas
81 years ago today, the Battle of Samar. If you haven't read "Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors" I highly suggest it.
October 27th.
It's not actually clear what sign/symbol he perceived. It might have been the Chi-Rho letters.
Whatever, it worked for him.
The vision of Constantine the Great is recorded as having occurred on October 27, 312 AD!
— ShadowsOfConstantinople (@RomeInTheEast) October 27, 2025
The next day he defeated Maxentius at the Battle of the Milvian Bridge and seized Rome.
It was a defining moment in Constantine’s life, in Roman history, and by extension world history! pic.twitter.com/PWBh2pvGcd
It's not actually clear what sign/symbol he perceived. It might have been the Chi-Rho letters.
Quote:
Constantine, however, was rumored to have experienced a vision, known as the "Vision of the Cross," which foretold his army's victory if they fought under the sign of Christ. In one, and arguably more popular, version of the story, as Constantine prepared his troops for battle on its eve, 27 October, he supposedly was encouraged to emblazon his troop's shields with the Chi Rho, the superimposition of two Greek letters used to symbolize Christ, to protect them and ensure victory. In an alternate version, Constantine experienced this divine intervention the day of the battle: looking up into the heavens as his troops began to march, Constantine supposed witnessed a cross along with the Greek phrase "en tout nika," which roughly translates to "in this sign [you will] conquer."
Whatever, it worked for him.
JABQ04 said:
81 years ago today, the Battle of Samar. If you haven't read "Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors" I highly suggest it.
"This will be a fight against overwhelming odds from which survival cannot be expected. We will do what damage we can." - Lt. Commander Robert W. Copeland - Commander of Samuel B. Roberts - Battle of Samar
JABQ04 said:
81 years ago today, the Battle of Samar. If you haven't read "Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors," I highly suggest it.
In the Battle of Samar, Japanese surface gunfire sinks destroyers Hoel, Johnston, and destroyer escort Samuel B. Roberts (DE-413). Destroyer Heermann (DD-523), E and destroyer escort Dennis (DE-405) are damaged. Johnston damages the heavy cruiser Kumano.
Read more at wrecksite: https://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?143184
Texas Aggies KIA
Class of 1947: STILLWAGON, DOUGLAS ELLSWORTH, Seaman Second Class (no. 9680753),
wreck: USS Hoel, DD-533
Parents, Mr. and Mrs. George Buchanan Stillwagon, 3716 Elmora St., Houston, Tex.
Philippine Sea, missing, date of loss October 25, 1944,
Manila American Cemetery
Class of 1945: Roy Young Deveny, age: 20; 25/10/1944
crew rank: Aviation Ordnanceman service no.: 8393079 regiment: US Navy Reserve
wreck: USS Suwannee (CVE-27)
Parents, Mr. and Mrs. Roy Y. Deveny, Sr., Rt. 2, Axtell, Tex.
Killed in combat, declared dead October 25, 1944. Battle of Samar, October 25, 1944.
Concord Cemetery, Waco, TX
Class of 1941: Sidney Caldwell Kimball, age: 23
crew rank: Lieutenant service no.: O-138153 regiment: US Navy Reserve
wreck: USS Gambier Bay (CVE-73)
Wife, Mrs. Gloria D. Kimball, 1333 Glen Dr., San Leandro, Calif.
Missing, later declared dead, October 26, 1945. [Event] Battle of Samar, October 25, 1944.
Philippine Sea, missing, date of loss October 25, 1944.
Manila American Cemetery
Major Horace S. Carswell Jr. | Medal of Honor Recipient, World War II
Early Life and Service
Born in Fort Worth, Texas, in 1916, Horace S. Carswell Jr. was a natural athlete. The 5-foot-9, 160-pound young man was nicknamed "Stumpy" and enjoyed playing football, basketball, and baseball. After a year at Texas A&M, he transferred to Texas Christian University (TCU), where he played two years of football and three years of varsity baseball, graduating in 1939 with a Bachelor's in Physical Education. He enlisted as a flying cadet in the U.S. Army Air Corps in March 1940. During World War II, he served as a Major in the 374th Bombardment Squadron, 14th Air Force.
The Final Mission and Heroic Sacrifice
He piloted a B-24 bomber in a one-plane strike against a Japanese convoy in the South China Sea on the night of 26 October 1944. Taking the enemy force of 12 ships escorted by at least two destroyers by surprise, he made one bombing run at 600 feet, scoring a near miss on one warship and escaping without drawing fire. He circled and, fully realizing that the convoy was thoroughly alerted and would meet his next attack with a barrage of anitaircraft fire, began a second low-level run which culminated in two direct hits on a large tanker. A hail of steel from Japanese guns riddled the bomber, knocking out two engines, damaging a third, crippling the hydraulic system, puncturing one gasoline tank, ripping uncounted holes in the aircraft, and wounding the copilot; but by a magnificent display of flying skill, Maj. Carswell controlled the plane's plunge toward the sea and carefully forced it into a halting climb in the direction of the China shore. On reaching land, where it would have been possible to abandon the staggering bomber, one of the crew discovered that his parachute had been ripped by flak and rendered useless; the pilot, hoping to cross mountainous terrain and reach a base, continued onward until the third engine failed. He ordered the crew to bail out while he struggled to maintain altitude, and, refusing to save himself, chose to remain with his comrade and attempt a crash landing. He died when the plane struck a mountainside and burned. With consummate gallantry and intrepidity, Maj. Carswell gave his life in a supreme effort to save all members of his crew. His sacrifice, far beyond that required of him, was in keeping with the traditional bravery of America's war heroes.
Early Life and Service
Born in Fort Worth, Texas, in 1916, Horace S. Carswell Jr. was a natural athlete. The 5-foot-9, 160-pound young man was nicknamed "Stumpy" and enjoyed playing football, basketball, and baseball. After a year at Texas A&M, he transferred to Texas Christian University (TCU), where he played two years of football and three years of varsity baseball, graduating in 1939 with a Bachelor's in Physical Education. He enlisted as a flying cadet in the U.S. Army Air Corps in March 1940. During World War II, he served as a Major in the 374th Bombardment Squadron, 14th Air Force.
The Final Mission and Heroic Sacrifice
He piloted a B-24 bomber in a one-plane strike against a Japanese convoy in the South China Sea on the night of 26 October 1944. Taking the enemy force of 12 ships escorted by at least two destroyers by surprise, he made one bombing run at 600 feet, scoring a near miss on one warship and escaping without drawing fire. He circled and, fully realizing that the convoy was thoroughly alerted and would meet his next attack with a barrage of anitaircraft fire, began a second low-level run which culminated in two direct hits on a large tanker. A hail of steel from Japanese guns riddled the bomber, knocking out two engines, damaging a third, crippling the hydraulic system, puncturing one gasoline tank, ripping uncounted holes in the aircraft, and wounding the copilot; but by a magnificent display of flying skill, Maj. Carswell controlled the plane's plunge toward the sea and carefully forced it into a halting climb in the direction of the China shore. On reaching land, where it would have been possible to abandon the staggering bomber, one of the crew discovered that his parachute had been ripped by flak and rendered useless; the pilot, hoping to cross mountainous terrain and reach a base, continued onward until the third engine failed. He ordered the crew to bail out while he struggled to maintain altitude, and, refusing to save himself, chose to remain with his comrade and attempt a crash landing. He died when the plane struck a mountainside and burned. With consummate gallantry and intrepidity, Maj. Carswell gave his life in a supreme effort to save all members of his crew. His sacrifice, far beyond that required of him, was in keeping with the traditional bravery of America's war heroes.
On 31st October, the last daylight raid took plac, and from then on the Luftwaffe only attacked at night. The Battle of Britain was over, but the Blitz continued.
Numbers of Airmen by Nation Who Took Part
RAF 1,023
Luftwaffe 1,733
Loss of Life
RAF 544
Luftwaffe 2,500
Numbers of Airmen by Nation Who Took Part
- UNITED KINGDOM 2,342
- AUSTRALIA 32
- BARBADOS 1
- BELGIUM 28
- CANADA 112
- CZECHOSLOVAKIA 88
- EGYPT 1
- FRANCE 13
- IRELAND 10
- JAMAICA 1
- NEWFOUNDLAND 1
- NEW ZEALAND 127
- POLAND 145
- SOUTHERN RHODESIA 3
- SOUTH AFRICA 25
- UNITED STATES 9
RAF 1,023
Luftwaffe 1,733
Loss of Life
RAF 544
Luftwaffe 2,500
UNITED STATES 9
I can confidently say that Ben Affleck was not among these 9
I can confidently say that Ben Affleck was not among these 9
Cinco Ranch Aggie said:
UNITED STATES 9
I can confidently say that Ben Affleck was not among these 9
The best known of the US pilots who fought was Pilot Officer William 'Billy' Fiske, a Cambridge graduate and a member of the US Winter Olympic bobsleigh teams of 1928 and 1932. Fiske joined 601 Squadron based at Tangmere in July 1940. On August 16th, 1940, Fiske was involved in a dog-fight over Bognor and his Hurricane was damaged. He managed to crash-land at Tangmere. However, the fighter base was being attacked at that moment, and his aircraft was strafed. Fiske died of his wounds the following day. A memorial was unveiled to Fiske at St. Paul's Cathedral in 1941 with the words "An American citizen who died that England might live."
The other Americans who served in Fighter Command during the Battle of Britain were:
- Vernon Keogh (609 Squadron)
- Andrew Mamedoff (609 Squadron)
- Eugene Tobin (609 Squadron)
- Philip Leckrone (616 Squadron)
- Arthur Donahue (64 Squadron)
- John Haviland (151 Squadron)
- De Peysters Brown (1 RCAF Squadron)
- Carl Davis (601 Squadron)
Their combined score by the end of the battle was two definite destroyed German aircraft, five probable destroyed, with two damaged. They made "an invaluable contribution to morale and set a fine example."
ABATTBQ87 said:Cinco Ranch Aggie said:
UNITED STATES 9
I can confidently say that Ben Affleck was not among these 9
The best known of the US pilots who fought was Pilot Officer William 'Billy' Fiske, a Cambridge graduate and a member of the US Winter Olympic bobsleigh teams of 1928 and 1932. Fiske joined 601 Squadron based at Tangmere in July 1940. On August 16th, 1940, Fiske was involved in a dog-fight over Bognor and his Hurricane was damaged. He managed to crash-land at Tangmere. However, the fighter base was being attacked at that moment, and his aircraft was strafed. Fiske died of his wounds the following day. A memorial was unveiled to Fiske at St. Paul's Cathedral in 1941 with the words "An American citizen who died that England might live."
The other Americans who served in Fighter Command during the Battle of Britain were:Their combined score by the end of the battle was two definite destroyed German aircraft, five probable destroyed, with two damaged. They made "an invaluable contribution to morale and set a fine example."
- Vernon Keogh (609 Squadron)
- Andrew Mamedoff (609 Squadron)
- Eugene Tobin (609 Squadron)
- Philip Leckrone (616 Squadron)
- Arthur Donahue (64 Squadron)
- John Haviland (151 Squadron)
- De Peysters Brown (1 RCAF Squadron)
- Carl Davis (601 Squadron)
This is incredible information. Being the airplane nut that I am, I dug into these names to determine what fighters they flew.
Keogh - Spitfire, KIA
Mamedoff - Spitfire, KIA (after the BoB and while flying a Hurricane in bad weather)
Tobin - Spitfire, KIA
Leckrone - Spitfire, KIA
Donahue - Spitfire, KIA
Haviland - Hurricane
Brown - Hurricane
Davis - Hurricane, KIA
The Ben Affleck statement was a joke about the movie Pearl Harbor.
Quote:
The Ben Affleck statement was a joke about the movie Pearl Harbor.
I knew that, and Pearl Harbor was a joke of a movie
Also, I have a list of Aggies who flew with the Royal Canadian Air Force before December 1941, if that interests you
ABATTBQ87 said:
Also, I have a list of Aggies who flew with the Royal Canadian Air Force before December 1941, if that interests you
Consider me interested.
Send me an email heycoachjeff ATT gmail DOT com
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