Sul Ross: Complicated

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rootube said:

I don't think that's the only question you need to ask. A better question is if you take up arms against your own country and side with pro slavery does that outweigh your contribution as an effective college administrator? For many people the answer is yes.


Didn't the colonist take up arms against their own country and have slaves? I mean if we are going to cleanse our country, then we need to do it .
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Jbob04 said:

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Mond is doing his best to alienate a large portion of the fans over this issue. I was really hoping that college sports would be a political-free zone, but it is not looking likely.


I think Mond is going about this carefully and thoughtfully. I would argue he's actually showing great poise. He's a current student too, he deserves a say as much as any of us.

Calling people racist isn't very thoughtful.

Agreed.

And if racism is such a huge issue in this country, why are we not seeing a bunch of Oriental folks, American indians, Hispanics, etc. looting and raising hell? There's more than 2 races in this country, right?
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I wonder if Mond has even thought about the draft ramifications by insulting the majority of his fanbase with uneducated "facts".

Unemployed Kaepernick says hello.
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This is not a thread about flaming Mond, this is a thread about Sullivan Ross and what we know of his legacy. I'm not here to insult anyone who believes the statue should go, just trying to start a dialogue with the information we have
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All I know is if they take the statue down, A&M will not see another dime of my money because it will have truly become just another leftist indoctrination camp like so many other universities.
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It's not complicated, he has a statue for all he did for Texas AMC. Period. End of story, nothing more, nothing less.

I assume given when he lived he was racist by today's standards, as was Abraham Lincoln, as were 99 out of 100 white people at the time north, south, east and west....
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Tear down every statute, every one. Then the millennials and whoever follows can use their tax dollars to build statues of whoever they want after all the "dialogue". I don't care, I'll be dead soon enough. It'll actually be entertainment because me and my buddies can laugh at the whole exercise.
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I copied and pasted the text from another thread.

I am not sure who could read this paper and still believe that the statue should be removed.

For the past few days I have noted the stories and conversation flying around about Sul Ross. True to form, there is a tremendous amount of misinformation and hype about Texas A&M President Ross. His life and career is one of the most researched and chronicled of Texans prior to 1900.

I have spent more than 40 years reviewing dozens of newspapers, archival documents and publications on his life. Ross was an honorable man. However, there were opinions about him when he was alive and there have been barrels of ink used since 1900 to tell his story some of which, to no one's surprise have been politically motivated and revisionist in nature.

Ross was a household name by the time he was 19. Working on the Brazos Reservation near Graham with his father Shapley Ross, he was enlisted in the rangers to help stem the tide of hostile Indians and disruptive white trouble makers, who attacked both new settlers in the region as well as friendly Indians on the reservation. There were those who encroached on Indian lands and efforts were made to stop them. The late 1850s was a very unsettled and violent period on the western frontier of Texas.

Ross did indeed serve in the Confederate army, as did thousands of Texans including the entire 1883 inaugural faculty at The University of Texas. He returned home to Waco and received a full presidential pardon. He was one of the most vocal supporters of local education for all. He worked with a number of African-American and Indian families as the region struggled to recover. Known for his impartial fairness he was recruited to run for sheriff and arrested a growing gang of white-criminal squatters who preyed on people across East Texas. He abhorred mob violence and was swift to advocate harsh punishment for violators. To emphasis law and order he was the founder and catalyst in 1874 for the Sheriff's Association of Texas, which still functions today.

His only other known memberships was as a Mason (the College Station lodge is named in his honor) and a supporter of a veterans group that raised funding and assistance for the widowed and orphaned families.

As a state senator, he championed education, frontier improvements and agricultural affairs. In 1886 he was elected governor by one of the largest percentage vote totals of any governor in Texas. A fiscal conservative, he balanced the state budget yet insisted that education at all levels be funded. Texas A&M and Prairie View Normal College would not be here today if it was not for Sul Ross. When opponents in Austin attacked, he went directly to the Legislature to prevent it from cutting off funding to both schools.

Ross continued to lead the efforts to expand African-American rural schools when radical Democrats wanted to de-fund support of local black education and he halted numerous attempts to attack the funding for Prairie View, fighting and demanding the Legislature to do the right thing.
He won and provided additional funding and jobs after establishing one of the first agricultural experiment stations at an African-American college in the United States.

When African-American Sen. William Holland proposed the hospital for the "Deaf, Dumb and Blind Colored Institute" (today MHMR), Ross supported the full funding. Against massive opposition from the radical white Democrats, he appointed Holland, a Union Army war veteran, as its first director. When asked why, Ross simply noted, "He was the best man for the job."

Concerned with the Texas criminal process, he insisted on a review and upon receiving the report he realized the inequity of justice and pardoned more African Americans than all the previous governors combined.

In 1890, at a time when he could have pursued other elected office or returned to his farm near Waco, he was offered the presidency of the A&M College of Texas. The school was struggling to jell into an institution, having faced low budgets, faculty turnover, poor water, and limited housing for students. There were no traditions as we know them today and a bleak undeveloped campus. Known statewide and very popular, it was said after Ross arrived, parents sent their sons not to A&M but "to Sul Ross."

And it was not only sons who attended A&M, Ross routinely enrolled from seven to nine girls each year, known as "special students" (some wore cadet uniforms), and the credits they earned were transferable to other colleges. Prior to his death in early 1898, Ross proposed a school for girls to be co-located with A&M, the plan was supported by the Former Students (Cadets) Association and the local Bryan merchants who quickly were excited by the potential benefits to the local economy.

Ross increased the age to enroll at A&M, required entrance exams and instilled an atmosphere and esprit de corps that rightly gives him claim as the founder of A&M traditions with the advent in the 1890s of football, the Aggie Band, the Aggie ring, the Battalion newspaper, corps trips, march to the Brazos, and much more that sealed the identity and image of what was to be known a few years later as the Fightin' Texas Aggies and Aggieland.

One of his greatest accomplishments was the support of Prairie View A&M. While opponents in Austin yearly worked to kill funding, Ross made sure the only public school of high education for African Americans would grow and prosper. Ross a hired close personal friend, Professor Edward L. Blackshear, the former director of African=American schools in Austin when he was governor in the late 1880s, to become the 'principal' (president) of Prairie View.

Blackshear, the most prominent black educator and leader in Texas, testified to the "nobility of his character and his genuine support of education for colored youths."

In addition to Ross and his staff spending a great deal of time at Prairie View, including holding periodic board meetings in Hempstead, Ross hosted Blackshear, his staff and students both at his residence on the A&M campus but also at his home in Waco. To encourage the growth of black education, he arranged special reduced train rates for the Black Baptist State Association to hold its annual meetings in Bryan, giving a chance for him and Blackshear to urge the clergy to promote education back home in their congregations.

Ross instilled a source of excellence and pride in higher education and espoused transcendent values of equality and justice for all in Texas. It is for this reason that to honor Ross and his legacy of selfless service as governor and his years of dedication to education for all Texans, the state of Texas and the Legislature, not some outside organization, approved funding for an official State of Texas statue in 1919, conspicuous in civilian dress, to honor President Sul Ross.

And thus, it is the totality of the man's life for which the statue stands.

John A. Adams Jr. '73, is a historian and author of We Are the Aggies, Softly Call the Muster and Keepers of the Spirit
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Unfortunately, that little impromptu yell practice and shouting down of the BLM protestors did not address the subtlety of your post. Instead, it put our university in the crosshairs as the most intolerant university in the SEC, which is quite an accomplishment considering the history of the SEC.
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rootube said:

Unfortunately, that little impromptu yell practice and shouting down of the BLM protestors did not address the subtlety of your post. Instead, it put our university in the crosshairs as the most intolerant university in the SEC, which is quite an accomplishment considering the history of the SEC.
Demanding the removal of a fking statue is the definition of intolerance.
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rootube said:

Unfortunately, that little impromptu yell practice and shouting down of the BLM protestors did not address the subtlety of your post. Instead, it put our university in the crosshairs as the most intolerant university in the SEC, which is quite an accomplishment considering the history of the SEC.


Why?
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PearlJammin said:

rootube said:

Unfortunately, that little impromptu yell practice and shouting down of the BLM protestors did not address the subtlety of your post. Instead, it put our university in the crosshairs as the most intolerant university in the SEC, which is quite an accomplishment considering the history of the SEC.
Demanding the removal of a fking statue is the definition of intolerance.
Did the counter-demonstrators advance the position of keeping the Sul Ross statue in place by showing up and engaging in a shouting match? The obvious answer is no. They did much more harm than good in that regard.
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rootube said:

PearlJammin said:

rootube said:

Unfortunately, that little impromptu yell practice and shouting down of the BLM protestors did not address the subtlety of your post. Instead, it put our university in the crosshairs as the most intolerant university in the SEC, which is quite an accomplishment considering the history of the SEC.
Demanding the removal of a fking statue is the definition of intolerance.
Did the counter-demonstrators advance the position of keeping the Sul Ross statue in place by showing up and engaging in a shouting match? The obvious answer is no. They did much more harm than good in that regard.


Why?
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The Battalion: January 15, 1898

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Tear down statues AFTER you demand a governor who wore blackface is removed
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I'm taking my son to Ross's grave this week in Waco.
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ABATTBQ87 said:

The Battalion: January 15, 1898


There are lot of wrong statements and embellishment going on in that article.
Any man who can hitch the length and breadth of the galaxy, rough it, slum it, struggle against terrible odds, win through, and still know where his towel is, is clearly a man to be reckoned with.
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Sul Ross was a Confederate Democrat. Black players are offended and are purging Confederate Democrat memorials. Like at tu. That may not be such a bad thing. Folks can still remember the good things he did for this university.
 
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