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Texas A&M University President M. Katherine Banks resigns

July 21, 2023
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On Friday, M. Katherine Banks resigned as President of Texas A&M University just over two years after assuming that role.

The surprising announcement comes after Kathleen O. McElroy, who was hired in June to direct Texas A&M’s journalism department, walked away from the position.

On Wednesday, Banks met with the Texas A&M Faculty Senate to discuss the controversy involving McElroy’s resignation.

“I will say it has been a difficult week for Texas A&M. I’m saddened by the negative attention that we’ve received. It’s been detrimental to our shared goals and vision,” Banks said.

“It’s embarrassing. I take responsibility for it as I should, as the president of the university,” Banks added.

Banks was Texas A&M’s Dean of the College of Engineering before taking over as president on June 1, 2021.

Chancellor John Sharp has announced that General (Ret.) Mark A. Welsh III will serve as Texas A&M University’s Interim President. Welsh had previously been the Dean of the Bush School of Government and Public Service since August 2016.

Welsh becomes the eighth Texas A&M President — in a full-time or interim capacity — since Robert M. Gates left the position to serve as Secretary of Defense of the United States in December 2006.

The following is a press release from the Texas A&M University System:
 

Chancellor John Sharp today announced Dean Mark A. Welsh III as acting President after Texas A&M University President M. Katherine Banks submitted a letter late Thursday announcing she would retire immediately.

The announcement comes after the Faculty Senate passed a resolution Wednesday to create a fact-finding committee into the mishandling of the hiring of Dr. Kathleen McElroy, a University of Texas professor, former New York Times journalist and graduate of Texas A&M University, class of 1981.

In June, the university announced the hiring of McElroy to revive the school’s journalism program, but that fell apart as the details of the job offer changed from a position with the possibility of tenure to a one-year professor of practice appointment, with the option to renew.

At the Faculty Senate meeting Wednesday, President Banks denied knowing about the changes in the job offer but took responsibility for a flawed hiring process after a wave of national publicity suggesting McElroy, who has done research on diversity and inclusion, was a victim of “anti-woke” hysteria and outside interference in the faculty hiring process.

Public universities in Texas are in the middle of eliminating offices of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion to comply with recent state legislation.

In her resignation letter to Chancellor Sharp, President Banks wrote, “The recent challenges regarding Dr. McElroy have made it clear to me that I must retire immediately. The negative press is a distraction from the wonderful work being done here.”

Two years ago, Dr. Banks became the 26th President of Texas A&M University after a decade of excellence as Vice Chancellor and Dean of Engineering at the university. She led efforts for the Texas A&M System to become the only university in Texas to help manage a national weapons lab, the Los Alamos National Laboratory; created EnMed, a program training engineers to become medical doctors; and oversaw dramatic enrollment growth at the nation’s largest engineering school.

Chancellor Sharp thanked Dr. Banks for her years of service and named Welsh as acting president until a national search can find Dr. Banks’ successor.

Welsh, a retired Air Force general, is the Dean of the Bush School of Government and Public Service.

President Kathy Banks’ Resignation Letter

Chancellor,

First, thank you for the opportunity to serve at this wonderful university. It has been an honor of a lifetime.

The recent challenges regarding Dr. McElroy have made it clear to me that I must retire immediately. The negative press is a distraction from the wonderful work being done here.

I wish Texas A&M nothing but the best. It has been a privilege to serve under you.

Kathy
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AG81 said:

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1) Don't believe everything you read in The New York Times. Which underscores the importance of teaching ethical journalism and investigative reporting rather than bias and narratives.The Rudder Association (TRA) neither effected McElroy's hire nor Bank's resignation.
2) There was no Rudder Association when Joe Ramirez was appointed Commandant in 2010 as it was founded just 3 years ago.
3) We think all Aggies should be proud of the great job Joe is doing in his current position.
4) We don't speak for General Rudder on current events nor do we believe should anyone other than his immediate family. James Earl Rudder Jr's statement regarding the important work of TheRudderAssociation.org is on our website as are our press releases reviewing the recent important events.


I'm aware the Rudder Association is only 3 years old. I'm also aware of your membership. All of those involved in the slander of Joe Ramirez before he was hired as Commandant are members of the Rudder Association. And the tactics of the Rudder Association in this matter were identical. You are not making A&M better.
This reeks of hyperbole. You make a misleading statement about the Rudder Association's involvement in the "slander" of Joe Ramirez, then when corrected, you move the goal posts and paint everyone with a broad brush. I can see why you are defending Ms McElroy (speaking of which, being someone's cousin has no affect on whether they are a good person or a good hire).

Additionally, I find it hard to believe you are conservative based on the shady way you are ignoring some of the topics brought up in answer to your onslaught and the tactics you are using to defend your position. Very leftist IMHO.
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Decay said:

Journalists used to matter and were a cornerstone of our society. They trended left but felt like the facts mattered more than the politics.

That notion is so dead that I pity those who don't recognize it. By and large most pretend to not see it while cheering it on. Pretending this hire was contested due to race, for instance, is ridiculous. She is a relative of a legendary, beloved Aggie player. If she wasn't actually championing for the erosion of our country, her own words mind you, she'd have been a slam dunk.
I wish I could give you a million blue stars!
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Pluto88 said:

The thing is, what is valuable to you is going to have different meanings to someone else, including other Aggies. We have to respect each other. It took me just 15 seconds of "research" to realize the main issue is a lack of respect. In the cry for "fairness" or "impartiality" any free speech or criticism can seem like personal attacks if it doesn't align with your held beliefs. I am very grateful journalism exists to do the hard work of bringing events to light and counter corruption. In this complex world, I do not have the time, resource or expertise to do the work. It is a thankless, noble endeavor. Not everything resulting from journalism is significant but enough makes a difference this world would not be the same without it. I know we are all benefactors of the hard work.
When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

Dr. McElroy doesn't believe in impartiality in journalism. She said that herself. Point blank. Impartiality is a core tenet of journalism. If she doesnt understand this, she shouldnt work at any journalism department in the country, let alone Texas A&M.

These aren't personal attacks or "lack of respect". These are her own words...I dont know what else to tell you.

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It is a thankless, noble endeavor

Bull effing ***** It used to be, in the days of Cronkite....

Since then....Crossfire Hurricane. Hunter's laptop. Russian collusion delusion. Don ****ing Lemon.... Journalism, as a career, is a complete joke. Hiring this racist person would continue the trope, not improve it.
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Journalism - or the lack of it - might be the most important issue facing this country. It is now senseless drivel championing the cause of the woke. I tend to only watch business channels and those are getting just as bad. For a couple of weeks, almost every CNBC host either commented or had guests comment on the greatness of Threads. Clearly attempting to turn folks away from Twitter and the 'evil' Elon Musk, who has the temerity to champion free speech. The left doesn't want a civil dialogue on issues. For the love of God, Pulitzer Prizes were awarded to journalists covering Trump and the Russia lie. Incredible! The breathless coverage from MSNBC and Trump, Trump and Trump. We don't need that at A&M. Good riddance!
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you are not well informed
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The right wing extremist…regents, Rudder group, Sharp are responsible. They will keep A&M from achieving top rating as a university. Rudder was a leader. He was progressive to make major changes that were correct but not at all popular with most former students. It a shame that his name is used by these extremist. Former Presidents such as Mobley, Bowen, Gates would never give in to these groups. Of course, Sharp and regents would fire them also.
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cointoss said:

The right wing extremist…regents, Rudder group, Sharp are responsible. They will keep A&M from achieving top rating as a university. Rudder was a leader. He was progressive to make major changes that were correct but not at all popular with most former students. It a shame that his name is used by these extremist. Former Presidents such as Mobley, Bowen, Gates would never give in to these groups. Of course, Sharp and regents would fire them also.

"Top Rating" nowadays literally judges based on ESG so wanting that is antithetical to quality education.

Also make sure you say "extremist" more to paint that brush as broad as possible!
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The Communications chair is solidly behind McRlroy's hiring. Why not fire that guy?

Who kept downgrading McElroy's offer and why?

Why did Banks quit with no job in hand? Any buyout? What other university president would quit this early into a tenure? The Ohio State one comes to mind.
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Cronkite regarding his special broadcast on February 25, 1965 where he changed from the journalist you imagined being to an editorialist:

https://www.npr.org/2009/07/18/106775685/final-words-cronkites-vietnam-commentary
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catfan said:

The Communications chair is solidly behind McRlroy's hiring. Why not fire that guy?

Who kept downgrading McElroy's offer and why?

Why did Banks quit with no job in hand? Any buyout? What other university president would quit this early into a tenure? The Ohio State one comes to mind.

catfan, I suspect that President Banks was asked about forging signatures. She resigned rather than be fired on the spot.
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AG81 said:

Houstonag said:

Well, we must move on. I would have stuck it out for she has done a great job. Personnel challenges happen as they do in the corporate world. Fix it and move on.

I hope the current leadership which means Sharp and the board does not get weak kneed over this and holds the line for DEI, etc. for it will only hurt TAMU and other educational institutions. Hold the line and do not compromise on our standards.


This wasn't about DEI. This was an Aggie committed to the Aggie core values wanting to use those as the foundation for building the Journalism department. I can guarantee, not a single person involved in the attacks on her ever had a single conversation with her. Not one. Disgusting behavior from those who claim they don't want to "compromise on our standards". They violated every single one of those standards. Either that or their standards are not Aggie standards based on Aggie value
This is bull.
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Decay said:

cointoss said:

The right wing extremist…regents, Rudder group, Sharp are responsible. They will keep A&M from achieving top rating as a university. Rudder was a leader. He was progressive to make major changes that were correct but not at all popular with most former students. It a shame that his name is used by these extremist. Former Presidents such as Mobley, Bowen, Gates would never give in to these groups. Of course, Sharp and regents would fire them also.

"Top Rating" nowadays literally judges based on ESG so wanting that is antithetical to quality education.

Also make sure you say "extremist" more to paint that brush as broad as possible!
Yeah right. Academia is totally on the right track and if not for those right wing extremists, they would surely right all the worlds problems.
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jrdaustin said:

AG81 said:

Houstonag said:

Well, we must move on. I would have stuck it out for she has done a great job. Personnel challenges happen as they do in the corporate world. Fix it and move on.

I hope the current leadership which means Sharp and the board does not get weak kneed over this and holds the line for DEI, etc. for it will only hurt TAMU and other educational institutions. Hold the line and do not compromise on our standards.
This wasn't about DEI. This was an Aggie committed to the Aggie core values wanting to use those as the foundation for building the Journalism department. I can guarantee, not a single person involved in the attacks on her ever had a single conversation with her. Not one. Disgusting behavior from those who claim they don't want to "compromise on our standards". They violated every single one of those standards. Either that or their standards are not Aggie standards based on Aggie values.
Interesting statement on your part. Have you spoken to her? She had previously indicated in multiple interviews that DEI had a foundational impact on her view of "responsible journalism". Had her views changed?

How do you square Aggie core values with the following statement?
"We can't just give people a set of facts anymore. I think we know that and we have to tell our students that. This is not about getting two sides of a story or 3 sides of a story, if one side is illegitimate. I think now you cannot cover education, you cannot cover criminal justice, you can't cover all of these institutions without recognizing how all these institutions were built." McElroy said in an NPR radio segment on the role of journalists.

I'll repeat what I said in an earlier thread:
What we see in MSM video and print media today is that ethics has morphed into ideology when it comes to reporting the news. Ms. McElroy is a prime example where the current crop of journalists feel that they have a 'moral' obligation to determine "their" truth when it comes to reporting. Reporting of facts comes second to distribution of the determined narrative. Imo, that is at the base of her comment regarding "three truths". This is a relatively new mindset, and it was taught.
For this country to survive, this mindset must change. Journalism must return to its roots. THAT is why A&M needs a Journalism department that is unlike those that have been compromised by this "new" thinking.

You're free to enlighten us as to how Ms. McElroy would have served to reverse the current trend of journalism that has moved from informing public opinion to reshaping public opinion. As for me, her prior statements indicate that she would have done nothing but increase that trend. Ms. McElroy plainly indicated her intent to be an arbiter of what was "legititmate" and worth reporting. And how is that an Aggie value?


This ONE statement is exactly why they denied her the automatic tenure. I feel better about the departure already.
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Yes...so glad she is gone and hope we learned our lesson!
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AG81 said:

thewreckcrew said:

Crap! That dumbass Dean handled this so poorly. Should be on him and not Dr Banks; she is a rock star so of course she took the high road to say 'the buck stops here'


Absolutely false. The blame for this is squarely at the feet of the Rudder Association and the Regents. The former launched an all out assault on Kathleen McElroy with misinformation and flat out lies, in a similar way that many of its members did to Joe Ramirez when he was a candidate for Commandant. I don't know what's more disgusting, their behavior or them doing it in Rudder's name. As for Banks, just as she made Ramirez fall on his sword for the Battalion decision (which was hers), she fell on her sword for the Regents, (and Sharp). Her decision to "retire immediately", though she has tenure and could collect a nice salary for the rest of her career here means she wants nothing to do with the A&M System leadership. This isn't on the Dean, and it's not on Banks. This is on The Rudder Association and the Regents. They have brought utter shame to Texas A&M.


McElroy should have never been hired. If what the Rudder Association did resulted in McElroy not being here, I am all for it. Why would you want an extremist liberal who bases decisions on race running the jounalism department?
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TexAggie1999 said:

AG81 said:

thewreckcrew said:

Crap! That dumbass Dean handled this so poorly. Should be on him and not Dr Banks; she is a rock star so of course she took the high road to say 'the buck stops here'


Absolutely false. The blame for this is squarely at the feet of the Rudder Association and the Regents. The former launched an all out assault on Kathleen McElroy with misinformation and flat out lies, in a similar way that many of its members did to Joe Ramirez when he was a candidate for Commandant. I don't know what's more disgusting, their behavior or them doing it in Rudder's name. As for Banks, just as she made Ramirez fall on his sword for the Battalion decision (which was hers), she fell on her sword for the Regents, (and Sharp). Her decision to "retire immediately", though she has tenure and could collect a nice salary for the rest of her career here means she wants nothing to do with the A&M System leadership. This isn't on the Dean, and it's not on Banks. This is on The Rudder Association and the Regents. They have brought utter shame to Texas A&M.


McElroy should have never been hired. If what the Rudder Association did resulted in McElroy not being here, I am all for it. Why would you want an extremist liberal who bases decisions on race running the jounalism department?
She wasn't fired was she? It says in the first line of the article..."the job offer changed". The change? It was a matter of denying her automatic tenure...thus in affect and evergreen job providing she was responsive to the Regents and student body.

I think that is wise for all faculty. Lets get rid of tenure for all academics so that we can get some accountability out of our higher level educational institutions which receive state and federal dollars.
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Kathy Banks "Retired " so quickly, it leads me to believe that maybe she wanted out even before this McElroy situation and this was her opportunity and she took it ! She didn't need this job with all the political ramifications caused by whiney, childish Liberals vs Traditional Conservatives. Her monumental stellar credentials and achievements should , no doubt, land her another position of President at another large University or in industry for substantial compensation , if she wants it. This Dr Hart Blanton seems like a " Beauty "
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cointoss said:

The right wing extremist…regents, Rudder group, Sharp are responsible. They will keep A&M from achieving top rating as a university. Rudder was a leader. He was progressive to make major changes that were correct but not at all popular with most former students. It a shame that his name is used by these extremist. Former Presidents such as Mobley, Bowen, Gates would never give in to these groups. Of course, Sharp and regents would fire them also.
That cracked me up.
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This is a bizarre statement. I knew some of these presidents and you are dead wrong. The Rudder Association is simply providing the truth and let the chips fall.

I am still wrestling why some wanted Banks to go anyway.
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Houstonag said:

This is a bizarre statement. I knew some of these presidents and you are dead wrong. The Rudder Association is simply providing the truth and let the chips fall.

I am still wrestling why some wanted Banks to go anyway.

Sounds like there were different camps on Banks.

But also it sounds like she torpedoed this, and in doing so, broke some policies, so is resigning to take the fall and close the book on this whole hire.
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cointoss said:

The right wing extremist…regents, Rudder group, Sharp are responsible. They will keep A&M from achieving top rating as a university. Rudder was a leader. He was progressive to make major changes that were correct but not at all popular with most former students. It a shame that his name is used by these extremist. Former Presidents such as Mobley, Bowen, Gates would never give in to these groups. Of course, Sharp and regents would fire them also.
Gates was/is a Never Trumper. Please quit championing him.
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The first line said it all. We can just give the set of facts. That is what decisions should be based on not some fuzzy outlying thought put forward to sway you away from it. That is trying to turn a journalist into a trial lawyer. Journalist should present all the facts, no opinions and let the reader take those facts and form their own opinion regardless if it is different from the journalist. It's okay to have opposing views that's what makes ours a great country. Where we get into trouble is when we try to force our belief on everyone else.
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WolfCall said:

cointoss said:

The right wing extremist…regents, Rudder group, Sharp are responsible. They will keep A&M from achieving top rating as a university. Rudder was a leader. He was progressive to make major changes that were correct but not at all popular with most former students. It a shame that his name is used by these extremist. Former Presidents such as Mobley, Bowen, Gates would never give in to these groups. Of course, Sharp and regents would fire them also.
Gates was/is a Never Trumper. Please quit championing him.
You serious, Clark ??
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cointoss said:

The right wing extremist…regents, Rudder group, Sharp are responsible. They will keep A&M from achieving top rating as a university. Rudder was a leader. He was progressive to make major changes that were correct but not at all popular with most former students. It a shame that his name is used by these extremist. Former Presidents such as Mobley, Bowen, Gates would never give in to these groups. Of course, Sharp and regents would fire them also.

Calling everyone you disagree with an "extremist" is the SOP tactic for leftists. Also, John Sharp is a Democrat and has always leaned left by the way, but I guess since he disagrees with you on this topic then he's also an "extremist."
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AG81 said:

p8aggie said:

jrdaustin said:

AG81 said:

Houstonag said:

Well, we must move on. I would have stuck it out for she has done a great job. Personnel challenges happen as they do in the corporate world. Fix it and move on.

I hope the current leadership which means Sharp and the board does not get weak kneed over this and holds the line for DEI, etc. for it will only hurt TAMU and other educational institutions. Hold the line and do not compromise on our standards.
This wasn't about DEI. This was an Aggie committed to the Aggie core values wanting to use those as the foundation for building the Journalism department. I can guarantee, not a single person involved in the attacks on her ever had a single conversation with her. Not one. Disgusting behavior from those who claim they don't want to "compromise on our standards". They violated every single one of those standards. Either that or their standards are not Aggie standards based on Aggie values.
Interesting statement on your part. Have you spoken to her? She had previously indicated in multiple interviews that DEI had a foundational impact on her view of "responsible journalism". Had her views changed?

How do you square Aggie core values with the following statement?
"We can't just give people a set of facts anymore. I think we know that and we have to tell our students that. This is not about getting two sides of a story or 3 sides of a story, if one side is illegitimate. I think now you cannot cover education, you cannot cover criminal justice, you can't cover all of these institutions without recognizing how all these institutions were built." McElroy said in an NPR radio segment on the role of journalists.

I'll repeat what I said in an earlier thread:
What we see in MSM video and print media today is that ethics has morphed into ideology when it comes to reporting the news. Ms. McElroy is a prime example where the current crop of journalists feel that they have a 'moral' obligation to determine "their" truth when it comes to reporting. Reporting of facts comes second to distribution of the determined narrative. Imo, that is at the base of her comment regarding "three truths". This is a relatively new mindset, and it was taught.
For this country to survive, this mindset must change. Journalism must return to its roots. THAT is why A&M needs a Journalism department that is unlike those that have been compromised by this "new" thinking.

You're free to enlighten us as to how Ms. McElroy would have served to reverse the current trend of journalism that has moved from informing public opinion to reshaping public opinion. As for me, her prior statements indicate that she would have done nothing but increase that trend. Ms. McElroy plainly indicated her intent to be an arbiter of what was "legitimate" and worth reporting. And how is that an Aggie value?


So good some of you should read it twice. It's a good thing McElroy is not leading anything at Texas A&M.


No, that is your inference. That you don't know the difference makes it clear you're the problem. You seem to ignore the first thing she said there, "We can't just give a set of facts anymore. I think we know that and have to tell our students that". You have inferred her meaning to match your bias..... without taking to her. That demonstrates a lack of Respect, Integrity, and Loyalty.
You assume too much my friend. You know nothing about me and simply assume I match the profile you expect for someone that disagrees with you. That shows you to be of low mental capacity and ultimately the problem with society at large. Please delete your profile and refrain from spreading your ignorance further. Thank you and have a great day.
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thewreckcrew said:

Crap! That dumbass Dean handled this so poorly. Should be on him and not Dr Banks; she is a rock star so of course she took the high road to say 'the buck stops here'

Bahahahahahahahhahahaha


Bahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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The Rudder Association has brought enough embarrassment to the university. Can't wait for that group to die off. Banks was nothing more than a puppet of theirs.
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2004FIGHTINTXAG said:

cointoss said:

The right wing extremist…regents, Rudder group, Sharp are responsible. They will keep A&M from achieving top rating as a university. Rudder was a leader. He was progressive to make major changes that were correct but not at all popular with most former students. It a shame that his name is used by these extremist. Former Presidents such as Mobley, Bowen, Gates would never give in to these groups. Of course, Sharp and regents would fire them also.

Calling everyone you disagree with an "extremist" is the SOP tactic for leftists. Also, John Sharp is a Democrat and has always leaned left by the way, but I guess since he disagrees with you on this topic then he's also an "extremist."
When I read that comment by cointoss I wondered which of these things don't belong with the others…

With that said he has made his political career about government efficiency and effectiveness and likely that doesn't sit well with those who support more government spend and employment. Like outsourcing food prep…
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Clearly, whatever she did was deemed a very serious misstep by Sharp and a nearly unanimous BOR. They may have opted to allow her to immediately resign to avoid a firing for cause, the details of which might be both embarrassing to the university and detrimental to her reputation and future employment opportunities.

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I have read all of the above. I am a very conservative, follow the facts, able to make tough decisions, and have type guy. I still like Banks and wish she would have tried to stick it out no matter what happened. If she made mistakes, ok, admit but move on, if allowed.

We do not have a good track record of having good presidents. Knew many and the interims as well. Gates, was outstanding and of course Rudder who I met as a student and he signed all of my diplomas.
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Houstonag said:

Gates, was outstanding .
LOL
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Yes sir.
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Opalka said:


I used to be proud to be an Aggie, but now I won't even volunteer that information.


So why you still sportin' an AgTag, sport?

Show us all, and have it removed. Until then....you're hot air.
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The news thrust the school into the national debate over the influence of politics on higher education. In Texas, Gov. Greg Abbott signed a law in June that would require the state's public universities to eliminate their offices of diversity, equity and inclusion.

"The recent challenges regarding Dr. McElroy have made it clear to me that I must retire immediately," Banks wrote in her resignation letter. "The negative press is a distraction from the wonderful work being done here."

The university announced in June that it had hired McElroy, a journalism professor at The University of Texas at Austin, to lead its journalism program. McElroy graduated from Texas A&M in 1981.
Weeks later, McElroy told multiple news outlets that what was originally offered as a likely tenured position became a nontenured five-year position and ultimately a one-year position, after the university faced pushback over her appointment. She said she was advised to avoid a tenured position so she wouldn't need to be approved by the school's board of regents.
McElroy couldn't immediately be reached for comment.

McElroy told a Dallas-Fort Worth television station she believes her race and gender may have played a role in what transpired.

The university, which has more than 70,000 students, didn't respond to a request for comment on the specifics of McElroy's hiring, but in its statement said the process "fell apart as the details of the job offer changed from a position with the possibility of tenure to a one-year professor of practice appointment."

Texas A&M President Resigns Amid Controversy Over Journalism Professor's Hiring - WSJ
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barbacoa taco said:

The Rudder Association has brought enough embarrassment to the university. Can't wait for that group to die off. Banks was nothing more than a puppet of theirs.


Wait what? Lol, no.

She was not a puppet of RA. Gawt Damn some of you will believe anything
 
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