Reed is going to be the starter. I know y'all are dying for something to discuss but this is all just opinionated. Don't care what he did last year vs everyone else. He's starting.

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How is he complaining or hating on tamu? Reed IS in his third season. Why should he get a leash, especially with the other options on our roster? Are you saying good quarterbacks DO lose four games straight ?

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Yes. Anyone that passes judgement on a QB because of a 4 game stinker alone doesnt understand the game. Reed may, or may not, be the guy. NO ONE on this board knows. The coaches do not know. You can only guess based on the information you have, and, you/we have alot less information than the coaching staff (who do football for a living). We will see what happens. Enjoy the process. Love your team or don't. Love the game or don't. If you choose to be fanatic in your negativity, don't insist the whole of fandom supports your experience. Really is that simple.

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Let's all chill out a little here. No need to get so wound up.

I don't think a straight yards / carry metric is gonna give us a fair comparison given the differing levels of competition each version of our team faced.


Let's look at this, throw out the outliers, the best and worst rushing performances (vs McNeese St, vs Texas) and rerun the numbers. I believe we get this:


With Moss (outliers excluded):
300 attempts / 1448 yards / 4.83 yards per carry

Without Moss (outliers excluded):
157 attempts / 662 yards / 4.22 yards per carry

That's about a 14.5% increase (0.61 more yards per carry) with Moss. Not a perfect indicator, but definitely goes to show the drop off against the average team isn't nearly as big as you'd think. Please check my math though

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If you want a "chill" vibe, try refraining from demanding folks can't be excited about their QB, team and the upcoming season. It is childish and will get pushback from adults. I am excited about the season, Reed, and seeing year 2 under this staff. I also understand the potential for a less than great season.

It is very easy to let the current state of college football, your teams potential gaps, opinion of yell leaders (I guess), etc. etc. cause you grief. If this is you and it impacts you such that you get hives around "pumpers', thats ok. Just don't force your negativity on other folks. There are all kinds of people with all kinds of opinions who will have varying knowledge of the game on this board and in fandom generally. Let them do it how they do it. You can express your opinions without demanding everyone agrees with you. You can also interact without trying to prove you are right and everyone else is ignorant. BTHO everyone!!!!

Marcel Reed would have been highly sought after had he gone to the portal this off-season. That's all you need to know.

Excited for his upcoming season.

I 100% believe we had a better offense with Moss than without him.

halfastros81 said:

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I 100% believe we had a better offense with Moss than without him.

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of course we did. That's not even debatable imo.

Bunk Moreland said:

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Marcel Reed would have been highly sought after had he gone to the portal this off-season. That's all you need to know.

Excited for his upcoming season.

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Do you really think the best of the best (which I think we aspire to be in that group) would have gone after Reed if he had jumped in the portal? I like Reed and think he's the starter this year, but I don't think anyone has him currently projected to be one of the best QB's in the nation. I guess we can hope he can become that, but not there yet.

Bunk Moreland said:

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Marcel Reed would have been highly sought after had he gone to the portal this off-season. That's all you need to know.

Excited for his upcoming season.

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He seems like a nice kid but I don't think the elite teams or playoff contenders would have been clamoring for him.

That's not what I said. I said he'd have been highly sought after had he transferred.

Miami and (I guess) OU were the only truly high-level possible teams that were in the transfer QB market this off-season. OU got the kid who played for the OC they hired and Miami got Beck because UGA didn't want him anymore.

Reed is seen as a QB on the rise and expected to make a big jump next year. Let's all hope he does.

I was just responding to all the talk about advanced stats with and without Moss. I know nobody suggested we were better without him. To me it's about how much better we were with him vs without and I believe it was substantial. He was a beast imo. The stats don't necessarily tell the story about the impact of the threat. Not that I don't think Daniels is a quality rb… he is . He just brings different things to the table.

That moron Paul Pierce Ag was implying we were a better team without Moss than with him. He was proven wrong with statistics and then moved the goal posts around

Agree completely. I'm fully with you. Had Moss stayed healthy we'd have seen even better performance out of Reed down the stretch.

Bunk Moreland said:

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Agree completely. I'm fully with you. Had Moss stayed healthy we'd have seen even better performance out of Reed down the stretch.

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Yep

And probably would have won the Auburn game and would have played tu for the sec title in Atlanta and lots of folks would have a different outlook on this season and Mike Elko

Hard to be excited about Reed after yesterday. He didn't look like there was any improvement in the spring.

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Because Reed doesn't fit the pattern shown by good college QBs over the last 5-10 years. His struggles as a 1st year starter mirror mediocre QBs in their 1st years, not the great QBs in their 1st years.

People should stop saying they're "excited" for Reed. They're in love with a potential, not something that's actually happened, which is illogical.

My proposed alternative? Just instead say he needs to improve a lot during this offseason. Wait for the results to come in and evaluate

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The more you speak, the less intelligent you sound. Just give it up. Faulting people for being excited about a player might be one of the dumbest things I have ever seen on texags, and that says a lot.

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so,

I understand both perspectives. However, why would anyone be excited about Reed? He just didn't seem to have it all. His running won couple of games but it will his passing that takes us to anything of note.
I am excited about the RB room in combo with the possibility that Reed improved, but not just in Reed. If Reed's running is held in check then his passing and decisions better ne vastly improved.

Let's remove the A&M bias from the situation. Do you think Florida should be excited about the promise of DJ Lagway?

After watching spring game


I was hoping to see better accuracy from Reed but deep down, I don't think that's something that meaningfully changes with experience

I made a post on the concept last year and most seemed to agree, it's a got it or don't skill

I had some hope that another spring with an offense that's no longer knew could play a role but it was more hopeful than logical.


I'm need to watch ONeal some more but I can see us playing both in some form

Honest question, do you think we were going to scheme up a big wide open deep pass for all to see yesterday?

Bunk Moreland said:

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Honest question, do you think we were going to scheme up a big wide open deep pass for all to see yesterday?

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I don't expect to see us take many of those shots in season with Reed, much like was the case with Mond


That said spring game has nothing to do with scheme and play calls or even evaluating units. All you can do is evaluate individual skills imo

Bunk Moreland said:

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Let's remove the A&M bias from the situation. Do you think Florida should be excited about the promise of DJ Lagway?

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What bias?
I haven't watched every one of his games, so I don't have enough information to answer that question.

Bunk Moreland said:

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Let's remove the A&M bias from the situation. Do you think Florida should be excited about the promise of DJ Lagway?

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Florida has a very difficult schedule again but they're going to be a good team imo. They'll win some top 25 matchups

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Bunk Moreland said:

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Let's remove the A&M bias from the situation. Do you think Florida should be excited about the promise of DJ Lagway?

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What bias?
I haven't watched every one of his games, so I don't have enough information to answer that question.

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The bias that we all have evaluating the Ags. My point is everyone on here is hyper critical of Reed and thinks he sucked last year (wrong) and will suck again next year because they didn't see a 60 yard bomb in the spring game.

Yet he played better in limited time last year than DJ Lagway, a super stud who most every team in the country would want to have and everyone in the country views as a future star.

Reed is seen as a rising qb. Yes it's up to him and Klein and the offense to put it together, but nothing about yesterday changes his current projected path. We should see an improved qb next year who already has shown good flashes in limited time last year.

I think we don't know how he will perform. The SEC knows his limitations and strengths. If he didn't improve his accuracy and his decision making we won't win.

Edited: "Rising QB" is trite. It is mostly a filler for talking heads during discussions. Sure, he can improve and people are hoping he has. However, at this stage in his career I doubt his accuracy past 15 yds has improved. I hope I'm wrong. I just feel like he is QB1 because of his ability to scramble. If we had the 2012 OL I honestly don't think Reed would be QB1.

Lagway was a true freshman who i thought showed more promise as a passer than Reed. Reed is the better runner but in today's game an accurate passer is a key to success imo

jamey said:

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Lagway was a true freshman who i thought showed more promise as a passer than Reed. Reed is the better runner but in today's game an accurate passer is a key to success imo

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Did you actually watch Lagway at all last year? I think he has a high ceiling too, but saying he showed more promise than Reed as a passer last year is just based on something you want to be true and not results based.

Bunk Moreland said:

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jamey said:

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Lagway was a true freshman who i thought showed more promise as a passer than Reed. Reed is the better runner but in today's game an accurate passer is a key to success imo

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Did you actually watch Lagway at all last year? I think he has a high ceiling too, but saying he showed more promise than Reed as a passer last year is just based on something you want to be true and not results based.

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Yes I watched Lagway. It's an observation of a 2nd year player and a 1st year player

Want has nothing to do with anything. I had hope as I described earlier that Reeds accuracy would improve but that was really more hopeful than logical, as I said. After watching spring game I'm going back to logically, it doesn't work like that. I think his accuracy is what it is at this point. Lagway was a true fish last season

I think Aggies have been burned too many times with placing high hopes on QBs that never live up to the hype. It started with Jeff Granger and continues to this day.

I'm adopting a wait-and-see attitude with Reed. I'm optimistic that he will be a very good QB for us based on flashes of greatness he showed last season. He appears to have a good mentality and I hope that his physical abilities match up with it.

Nobody is annointing him a heisman candidate. Our team should be more improved in year 2, our QB has more comfort in the system, our OL is stable for once in a long time, we have a good RB stable and our wr group was improved. It's a team game. The entire point is we should expect and, yes hope, for better qb play than we saw last year based on what Reed showed us in limited action and this better offensive production.

There's no signs now to be ****ting on that expectation until it shows itself one way or another in the fall.

Bunk Moreland said:

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Nobody is annointing him a heisman candidate. Our team should be more improved in year 2, our QB has more comfort in the system, our OL is stable for once in a long time, we have a good RB stable and our wr group was improved. It's a team game. The entire point is we should expect and, yes hope, for better qb play than we saw last year based on what Reed showed us in limited action and this better offensive production.

There's no signs now to be ****ting on that expectation until it shows itself one way or another in the fall.

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I do think there's a good chance the team overall improves, including Reed in many facets of the game. I just don't see any meaningful change in his accuracy happening so we'll work around that. People will probably complain about play calling as a result. Shorter pass plays will help keep completion % up but stretching the field won't be so easy. His wheels will be important

And who knows, perhaps we slip ONeal in some in passing situations

jamey said:

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Bunk Moreland said:

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Nobody is annointing him a heisman candidate. Our team should be more improved in year 2, our QB has more comfort in the system, our OL is stable for once in a long time, we have a good RB stable and our wr group was improved. It's a team game. The entire point is we should expect and, yes hope, for better qb play than we saw last year based on what Reed showed us in limited action and this better offensive production.

There's no signs now to be ****ting on that expectation until it shows itself one way or another in the fall.

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I do think there's a good chance the team overall improves, including Reed in many facets of the game. I just don't see any meaningful change in his accuracy happening so we'll work around that. People will probably complain about play calling as a result. Shorter pass plays will help keep completion % up but stretching the field won't be so easy

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I can gaurantee you there will be Aggies on here complaining no matter what.

Bunk Moreland said:

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Nobody is annointing him a heisman candidate. Our team should be more improved in year 2, our QB has more comfort in the system, our OL is stable for once in a long time, we have a good RB stable and our wr group was improved. It's a team game. The entire point is we should expect and, yes hope, for better qb play than we saw last year based on what Reed showed us in limited action and this better offensive production.

There's no signs now to be ****ting on that expectation until it shows itself one way or another in the fall.

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That's my point. People have tempered their expectations on QB play with Reed. In years' past, most would be on the Reed hype train. They've learned their lesson.

There were two maybe 3 drops yesterday. But I also expect better, and unlike most, I know he will get it done.

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duddleysdraw88 said:

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Who will be next year's starting QB?

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Doesn't matter. The OC hasn't changed.

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Funny how people take totally different perpectives in life.

I think it is a good thing we the majority of our O line from last year returns!

Guess you want new OLs every year till one finally works out. This is called blind hope.

Spring game looked like an early season scrimmage. Guess what? That is how 95% of all teams look. Sept is a long ways out.

Defense is the strength for sure. Offense will get there.

I haven't had a chance to watch the spring game but i have heard some positives about your son's preformance despite what the knuckleheads on here think.

Stats look good especially considering the dynamics of the spring game.

I can't wait to see how he preforms in the fall.

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NoahAg said:

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duddleysdraw88 said:

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Who will be next year's starting QB?

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Doesn't matter. The OC hasn't changed.

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Funny how people take totally different perpectives in life.

I think it is a good thing we the majority of our O line from last year returns!

Guess you want new OLs every year till one finally works out. This is called blind hope.

Spring game looked like an early season scrimmage. Guess what? That is how 95% of all teams look. Sept is a long ways out.

Defense is the strength for sure. Offense will get there.

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Agree on the oline

Brining back the same guys on the oline for another year is almost always better than plugging in new guys.

Lots of folks seem to have forgotten the oline jump from 2019 to 2020: same group that was as just ok at best in 2019, came back to almost win the Joe Moore award in 2020

Experience and cohesiveness are the two biggest keys to having a successful oline