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Lawmakers have to do something to fix this. I don't care about "limiting an individual's right to earn their market value." There is not gonna be any college football left.

The Athletic is literally reporting that Tennessee is "reaching out" to the starting QB at TCU, and the NCAA can do nothing about it. Everyone may ***** about the NCAA but the courts have stripped them of the power to do anything.

The NCAA, or whoever, needs limited anti-trust to fix this mess or the whole thing goes down the toilet.
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I agree there could be a better design to NIL and should have been a more thoughtful approach when it was introduced, but certainly don't think this is a "the world is ending" scenario. Yes it is creating a much different dynamic in college sports, but part of me believes some of this was already happening behind closed doors. I do agree that what is happening now is on steroids.
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Pro football players can't even do what college players can do.
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There needs to be an emphasis on academics and graduation rate like there used to be. Didn't schools used to receive penalties if they fell behind here?
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Johnny Boyziel 2 said:

There needs to be an emphasis on academics and graduation rate like there used to be. Didn't schools used to receive penalties if they fell behind here?
You are right, no one talks about APR anymore. I don't disagree, but the counter argument is that "regular" students transfer all the time and still graduate, so why should athletes not be able to, and when they do, why should the school be punished?

While I prefer the old rules to govern eligibility, but with just allowing athletes to utilize their own NIL... I think the only thing they can do is create some type of rules that are similar to professional rules. Athletes will sign contracts, which probably means collective bargaining.... which means college sports that we all loved growing up is in fact pretty much dead.
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Bluecat_Aggie94 said:

Pro football players can't even do what college players can do.

We have to be heading for multi-year contracts. That's the only sustainable solution.
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"You should ask Marcel (Reed) if I had any words on how I would handle a similar situation between him and I."

"We're all on the same page across the board. Everybody agrees that the players deserve freedom. Everybody agrees that the current system is not working."
King of the Dairy Queen
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college football is over, ive been grieving it for years.

Youre not putting this genie back in the bottle. To be fair, most CFB fans were unthininking cheerleaders for the sports' demise, A&M fans first and foremost because there was such belief we could buy a championship when all we could buy was generational wealth for Jimbo's family.
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The entire system stopped making sense once schools turned it into a profitable business. They wanted the revenue from operating a business but not the expenses. You can't really have any government entity effectively running a private enterprise without massive problems.

I think the law that makes the most sense is to have student athletes create a union without having to be employees. That allows them to collectively bargain to get rules in place that work for both sides and adds legal rigor to the rules they decide upon.
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MaxPower said:

The entire system stopped making sense once schools turned it into a profitable business. They wanted the revenue from operating a business but not the expenses. You can't really have any government entity effectively running a private enterprise without massive problems.

I think the law that makes the most sense is to have student athletes create a union without having to be employees. That allows them to collectively bargain to get rules in place that work for both sides and adds legal rigor to the rules they decide upon.


At this point why would the players want to do that?
They currently have all the leverage thus no incentive to unionize and collective bargain which will essentially put limits on what they can do/make

The only way to fix this is with giving college sports some type of anti-trust status thus forcing the players to unionize and collective bargain


MaxPower
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That's why I said you need lawmakers. They would effectively have to force them to unionize. No clue how well that holds up in court but anything that is done at this point will result in a lawsuit.
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MaxPower said:

That's why I said you need lawmakers. They would effectively have to force them to unionize. No clue how well that holds up in court but anything that is done at this point will result in a lawsuit.


Oh ok, yeah, just reread your post. We are in agreement then.

Yeah, everything seems to be getting taken to court that the ncaa tries to go but if congress put in a law then maybe that would be a lot less likely to be challenged .
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Johnny Boyziel 2 said:

There needs to be an emphasis on academics and graduation rate like there used to be. Didn't schools used to receive penalties if they fell behind here?
NCAA college football is no longer about "student" athletes or academics.
MaxPower
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The sure fire way to handle it is to make the students employees. I'm not an employment lawyer but it seems that's a hard no from universities for whatever reason.
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The portal is fine. It's the combination of the portal and the free transfer with NIL that has created this problem.
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Halconblack said:

Lawmakers have to do something to fix this. I don't care about "limiting an individual's right to earn their market value." There is not gonna be any college football left.

The Athletic is literally reporting that Tennessee is "reaching out" to the starting QB at TCU, and the NCAA can do nothing about it. Everyone may ***** about the NCAA but the courts have stripped them of the power to do anything.

The NCAA, or whoever, needs limited anti-trust to fix this mess or the whole thing goes down the toilet.
nah, its beautiful

The NCAA created this thru pure unadulterated greed, they had their chance to fix it, let the good times roll
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Charlie 31 said:

Johnny Boyziel 2 said:

There needs to be an emphasis on academics and graduation rate like there used to be. Didn't schools used to receive penalties if they fell behind here?
NCAA college football is no longer about "student" athletes or academics.
never was, hth
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Halconblack said:

Lawmakers have to do something to fix this. I don't care about "limiting an individual's right to earn their market value." There is not gonna be any college football left.

The Athletic is literally reporting that Tennessee is "reaching out" to the starting QB at TCU, and the NCAA can do nothing about it. Everyone may ***** about the NCAA but the courts have stripped them of the power to do anything.

The NCAA, or whoever, needs limited anti-trust to fix this mess or the whole thing goes down the toilet.
They can have antitrust protections if they allow collective bargaining whichbiscwhatvygry are trying to backdoor in with the proposed House settlement.

But a true CBA wood be honored by SCOTUS as Kavanaugh notes in his Alston concurring opinion…

Please do not let Congress offer a concession to the institution that caused this mess. That includes the schools and the NCAA since the NCAA is controlled by skinflint, smaller member institutions more than by the autonomous conferences (which were offered some autonomy to help solve the token the smaller schools caused.)
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Its truly awful. I don't think the NCAA and programs grasp what a huge turn off all of this is.

So, the supreme court ruled that players can make money on their name, likeness and image.

Fine.

But the supreme court hasn't ruled (and would not rule) that the NCAA doesn't have the right to establish rules regulating how and when athletes can transfer. Just making and enforcing sensible rules would fix a lot of this. Its still very gross that 18 year old's can get recruited to the highest bidder but at least make it so that they can't be free agents 100% of the time.

Some sensible rules:

1) Once enrolled at a university, if you transfer, you sit out a year.
2) An exception to this would be if your head coach leaves his position.
3) You are allowed one transfer during your 4 years of eligibility.
4) 4 years of eligibility actually means 4 years of eligibility. You get one redshirt year but if you compete for more than a half of a game, that counts as one of 4 years used.

And then, with all the money stuff, the idiots paying the NIL money should insist on contracts. You repay or have a buy out if you want to leave.
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The old system was broken. There's no reason players shouldn't get a piece of the pie, and the bigger schools were paying them anyways. But making it a free for all and adding the transfer portal on top of it is not the solution.
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ElephantRider said:

The old system was broken. There's no reason players shouldn't get a piece of the pie, and the bigger schools were paying them anyways. But making it a free for all and adding the transfer portal on top of it is not the solution.
Why isn't free movement an American principle?
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The system is broken...lets get lawmakers involved....

yeah, that's always gone well
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Halconblack said:

"limiting an individual's right to earn their market value."


This philosophy is fine when the product and the "worker" are two separate entities. It goes out the window in sports where the product IS the worker (or in this case, the player).

We want to watch the players that we recruit and see what happens over their 3-4 years. That's literally the "product" of college football for us consumers.
We don't want to watch a new lineup of players on our team every year, nor do we want to watch players that we've grown to love or hate moving all over the place. That's a crap product.
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Ghost91 said:

Halconblack said:

"limiting an individual's right to earn their market value."


This philosophy is fine when the product and the "worker" are two separate entities. It goes out the window in sports where the product IS the worker (or in this case, the player).

We want to watch the players that we recruit and see what happens over their 3-4 years. That's literally the "product" of college football for us consumers.
We don't want to watch a new lineup of players on our team every year, nor do we want to watch players that we've grown to love or hate moving all over the place. That's a crap product.
Makes no difference to me, we're still going 8-4 at best.
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The courts ruled against a system that was always illegal. As fans we can feel like something was "taken away from us" when the courts neutered the NCAA. But it's absolutely the NCAA's fault for their egregious lack of foresight. If they had instituted revenue sharing long ago we would have had a carefully implemented framework, and fans would not have been conditioned over time to hate the idea of student athletes getting paid
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ahpetty33 said:

The courts ruled against a system that was always illegal. As fans we can feel like something was "taken away from us" when the courts neutered the NCAA. But it's absolutely the NCAA's fault for their egregious lack of foresight. If they had instituted revenue sharing long ago we would have had a carefully implemented framework, and fans would not have been conditioned over time to hate the idea of student athletes getting paid
The notion the NCAA had that they should control all income opportunities for student athletes to enforce righteousness is quaint and dates to wealthy British elites inventing amateurism so they don't have competition from the hoi polloi…
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you got kids that transferred from school A to school B in the fall portal and now entering the portal again this spring to transfer to school C
I wanna see our defense pissed off, not confused, maybe a little murder in their hearts Reload12, 11/4/11
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Seamaster said:

Its truly awful. I don't think the NCAA and programs grasp what a huge turn off all of this is.

So, the supreme court ruled that players can make money on their name, likeness and image.

Fine.

But the supreme court hasn't ruled (and would not rule) that the NCAA doesn't have the right to establish rules regulating how and when athletes can transfer. Just making and enforcing sensible rules would fix a lot of this. Its still very gross that 18 year old's can get recruited to the highest bidder but at least make it so that they can't be free agents 100% of the time.

Some sensible rules:

1) Once enrolled at a university, if you transfer, you sit out a year.
2) An exception to this would be if your head coach leaves his position.
3) You are allowed one transfer during your 4 years of eligibility.
4) 4 years of eligibility actually means 4 years of eligibility. You get one redshirt year but if you compete for more than a half of a game, that counts as one of 4 years used.

And then, with all the money stuff, the idiots paying the NIL money should insist on contracts. You repay or have a buy out if you want to leave.
I like this. A very good start.
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The new NIL rules, transfer portal, and conference alignments have turned major college sports into semi-professional leagues. The conference leaders are prioritizing TV network revenue over the welfare of athletes and fans. The athletes are no longer students, and college education has become an afterthought. Many traditions have been eliminated. The only sustainable solution is to implement multi-year contracts and penalties for breaking them.
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Whatever governing body is going to regulate college football should put a cap on how much a team can pay, in my opinion. We aren't going back to the way it was, and really, there isn't a need to. We have to recognize and accept it for what it is - minor league football financed by universities and donors and played on university campuses. Yippeeeee
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I'm surprised a head coach would speak openly like this about a player but I guess that is where we are. Seems like the Aggies could use another WR? Any of you guys have a couple million you want to set on fire?


Syracuse Head Coach Fran Brown blasts WR Pena over NIL Dispute
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EKG1996 said:


I'm surprised a head coach would speak openly like this about a player but I guess that is where we are. Seems like the Aggies could use another WR? Any of you guys have a couple million you want to set on fire?


Syracuse Head Coach Fran Brown blasts WR Pena over NIL Dispute


I don't know why any coach in college football who has made a lot of money a d us successful would wa t to stay in college football.

I'd be looking for any chance to jump to the nfl to get away from this crap

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The portal + nil = death of college football
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5 years to play 4
You get one 'free' portal transfer in that time but it cannot be in same calendar year (ie cant do Fall and then the following spring, or vice versa)
You can transfer again but have to be out a year to do it. (that way someone doesnt get screwed and stuck in a bad spot).
If the coach leaves, any player can also leave that same window.
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Bluecat_Aggie94 said:

Pro football players can't even do what college players can do.


Perpetual free agency, no caps, no accountability.
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