Lawmakers have to have something better to do than write laws for college football.

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Charlie 31 said:

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Johnny Boyziel 2 said:

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There needs to be an emphasis on academics and graduation rate like there used to be. Didn't schools used to receive penalties if they fell behind here?

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NCAA college football is no longer about "student" athletes or academics.

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never was, hth

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Yeah, well, people keep saying this, and I recognize there have been under-the-table deals and cheating, but the current system isn't merely the "honest" version of what's happened all along.

The solution is easy. Put NIL money in a trust earned using graduation. Transfer out and you lose the money

Yes, more government involvement...always makes me think of this:

Whatever limit you put on players - put the same thing on coaches. Or else you're just being hypocritical.

How about athletes also have to follow the same transfer deadlines as regular students? If the argument is 'they should be able to transfer just like any other student' then fine, but they should have the same deadline dates.

Scotty Appleton said:

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How about athletes also have to follow the same transfer deadlines as regular students? If the argument is 'they should be able to transfer just like any other student' then fine, but they should have the same deadline dates.

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So you know all schools have meaningful limitations on when enrollment starts for each session of classes already? And they're all different?

deer corn said:

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The solution is easy. Put NIL money in a trust earned using graduation. Transfer out and you lose the money

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Or the NCAA repeatedly loses antitrust suits so why continue making recommendations that cause more liability?

And? Do regular students get special considerations if they want to transfer to UCLA, or A&M, or Clemson, or Michigan, et , etc, or do they have to have their application in by the deadline?

One of the transfer portal/rules proponent arguments is that 'regular students can do it'. Well, very simple then. Athletes have to adhere to the same rules.

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EKG1996 said:

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I'm surprised a head coach would speak openly like this about a player but I guess that is where we are. Seems like the Aggies could use another WR? Any of you guys have a couple million you want to set on fire?


Syracuse Head Coach Fran Brown blasts WR Pena over NIL Dispute

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I don't know why any coach in college football who has made a lot of money a d us successful would wa t to stay in college football.

I'd be looking for any chance to jump to the nfl to get away from this crap

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For sure. I'd advise high school coaches to jump to being college coaches too.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/news/college-football/why-college-head-coaches-arent-bolting-to-nfl/

It looks like we have 12 coaches from 2000 to 2025 who were invited to the pro ranks, and that includes Urban Meyer who went from a Svengali to a clown for his troubles.

Urban Meyer becomes the 12th first-time NFL head coach since 2000 hired from the college ranks, spanning the spectrum from Bobby Petrino (very bad) to Jim Harbaugh (very good). pic.twitter.com/jNAK3K1lMz

— Field Yates (@FieldYates) January 15, 2021

The NFL seems to consider itself a step up for the most part. "Can't deal with paid mercenaries" is probably not something to put on the resume.

Bluecat_Aggie94 said:

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Pro football players can't even do what college players can do.

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this. I'm all for players being able to transfer and get paid but there has to be some kind of caveat - like you have to stay a minimum of 2 years at a school or something.

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Bluecat_Aggie94 said:

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Pro football players can't even do what college players can do.

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this. I'm all for players being able to transfer and get paid but there has to be some kind of caveat - like you have to stay a minimum of 2 years at a school or something.

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No, it doesn't. Presidents, professors, and coaches all can leave as can regular students.

We had our shot. Mom's spaghetti.

I remember when Ags would say we were going to be the biggest benefactors of this NIL ruling because our pockets were so deep and we were so ahead of the curve with our NIL packages...redneck accounting! yada yada yada.

What a load of **** that turned out to be.

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The solution is easy. Put NIL money in a trust earned using graduation. Transfer out and you lose the money

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I love this communist solution. Bob's Discount Tire gets the benefit of increased foot traffic by having Joe Football come sign some autographs one Saturday morning, but Joe Football doesnt get the contractually-agreed money unless he completes some totally unrelated milestone (graduation) at an uninvolved third party (school).

A&M fans were some of the worst in driving the greed machine that created this. We'd beat our chests about Jimbo's salary, billion dollar stadiums, and "deep pockets" (and even the occasional idiot who thought the endowment could be used to buy out coaches). College football fans are guilty of greed-by-proxy

Seems like any rule at all could be argued as restricting the opportunity for players to make money.

Rather than college adopting a pro-like system, I wonder if some of the top pros start to look at the college system and say, "I like that better, the CBA is inhibiting the ability to earn my true value." Eventually the NFL will be made up entirely of players that got experience the free-for-all system of college football.

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Seems like any rule at all could be argued as restricting the opportunity for players to make money.

Rather than college adopting a pro-like system, I wonder if some of the top pros start to look at the college system and say, "I like that better, the CBA is inhibiting the ability to earn my true value." Eventually the NFL will be made up entirely of players that got experience the free-for-all system of college football.

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If a court ruled against colleges then they should rule against the NFL and other sports leagues too.

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Lawmakers have to do something to fix this. I don't care about "limiting an individual's right to earn their market value." There is not gonna be any college football left.

The Athletic is literally reporting that Tennessee is "reaching out" to the starting QB at TCU, and the NCAA can do nothing about it. Everyone may ***** about the NCAA but the courts have stripped them of the power to do anything.

The NCAA, or whoever, needs limited anti-trust to fix this mess or the whole thing goes down the toilet.

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If the adults in the room had told the children to take their opportunity at a "free" education (read this is your compensation IF you choose to use it, here), and be glad for the opportunity to at minimum get fed and trained well to showcase your OPPORTUNITY to go to the next level, and put your greedy hands back in your pockets, we would not even have to answer these questions.

But 'yo, gimme mah monies squeaked the loudest, and won. Now, the toothpaste will never go back in the tube, where it should have been contained to begin with.

The "olds" that established the system and worked hard to keep it intact, knew we'd be facing this. But "we" were stupid. And greedy. So here we are.

The adults in the room? Where were they? They had their hands out taking money left and right. And so were the coaches. I hate what's happened to college sports but I don't blame the athletes one bit. The universities created this problem by taking the money and the athletes they were making money off of just want their cut. Seems fair to me. I'd sure want to get paid if somebody made money off my jersey number and name everytime it was on tv. JFF wasn't wrong, he was just ahead of his time. Laissez faire at its purest and now everybody's upset.

EKG1996 said:

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I'm surprised a head coach would speak openly like this about a player but I guess that is where we are. Seems like the Aggies could use another WR? Any of you guys have a couple million you want to set on fire?


Syracuse Head Coach Fran Brown blasts WR Pena over NIL Dispute

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All these years later and I still get triggered when I see that name…

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jagged said:

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Seems like any rule at all could be argued as restricting the opportunity for players to make money.

Rather than college adopting a pro-like system, I wonder if some of the top pros start to look at the college system and say, "I like that better, the CBA is inhibiting the ability to earn my true value." Eventually the NFL will be made up entirely of players that got experience the free-for-all system of college football.

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If a court ruled against colleges then they should rule against the NFL and other sports leagues too.

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The pro leagues have CBAs that protect against anti-trust suits…though the courts have ruled in favor of player associations on collusion when the pro teams weren't offering capable free agents…

Johnny Boyziel 2 said:

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There needs to be an emphasis on academics and graduation rate like there used to be. Didn't schools used to receive penalties if they fell behind here?

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I know someone who was a walk-on Class of '72 that was eventually put on scholarship. (He was actually in the Corps, transferred to the Jock outfit, and retired as a Colonel in the AF). He shared the inside of a game program from the day with the team rosters. They listed the players' majors, and they were real degrees, surprisingly several in engineering. (He was an engineer.) You can't even find a player's major on the current media guides.

The portal has nothing to do with congress

The NCAA can set the rules on transfers and contracts

Just like the NFL sets rules the NCAA can do the same

Halconblack said:

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Lawmakers have to do something to fix this. I don't care about "limiting an individual's right to earn their market value." There is not gonna be any college football left.

The Athletic is literally reporting that Tennessee is "reaching out" to the starting QB at TCU, and the NCAA can do nothing about it. Everyone may ***** about the NCAA but the courts have stripped them of the power to do anything.

The NCAA, or whoever, needs limited anti-trust to fix this mess or the whole thing goes down the toilet.

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The counter argument that I constantly see to this position is "well, the coaches can leave whenever they want, so why can't the players?" Well, first off, coaches are professionals who are coaching for a living while players are legally considered student athletes, otherwise known as amateurs. Second, coaches can be fired at any point in the season for poor performance. Also, if a coach leaves while under contract, they are required to pay a buyout. With that in mind, people need to stop comparing players to coaches. They are not the same.

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Halconblack said:

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Lawmakers have to do something to fix this. I don't care about "limiting an individual's right to earn their market value." There is not gonna be any college football left.

The Athletic is literally reporting that Tennessee is "reaching out" to the starting QB at TCU, and the NCAA can do nothing about it. Everyone may ***** about the NCAA but the courts have stripped them of the power to do anything.

The NCAA, or whoever, needs limited anti-trust to fix this mess or the whole thing goes down the toilet.

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The counter argument that I constantly see to this position is "well, the coaches can leave whenever they want, so why can't the players?" Well, first off, coaches are professionals who are coaching for a living while players are legally considered student athletes, otherwise known as amateurs. Second, coaches can be fired at any point in the season for poor performance. Also, if a coach leaves while under contract, they are required to pay a buyout. With that in mind, people need to stop comparing players to coaches. They are not the same.

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Fisher was fired for performance, and he's being paid a "buyout" of 77.6 million (the remainder owed as if he was still coaching for the life of the contract). When a coach decides to leave for greener pastures while under contract he usually pays a pittance to the scorned school. The amount depends on how likely the school suspects it might be scorned by the coach and negotiates accordingly.

Fisher signed a contract in 2016 with FSU that paid him $5.5 million through 2024. He left for A&M in 2017 and the "buyout" for breach was $5-7 million rather than close to $40 million, and even that amount was just to cover his assistants' third party contracts .
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21631488/jimbo-fisher-leaving-florida-state-accept-coaching-job-texas-am

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. . . Fisher had signed an extension through 2024 with Florida State in December 2016 that gave him a base salary of $5.5 million. His buyout from Florida State is the sum remaining on the contracts of his assistants who are not retained, which would be in the range of $5 million to $7 million. . . .

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So the players are positioned pretty much like coaches in this regard as far as lack of penalties for the talent when they abscond for parts unknown. Also the players' deals are more short term, the kids are largely judgment proof, and the bad pub for suing would far outweigh any measure of recovery in most cases.

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Halconblack said:

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Lawmakers have to do something to fix this. I don't care about "limiting an individual's right to earn their market value." There is not gonna be any college football left.

The Athletic is literally reporting that Tennessee is "reaching out" to the starting QB at TCU, and the NCAA can do nothing about it. Everyone may ***** about the NCAA but the courts have stripped them of the power to do anything.

The NCAA, or whoever, needs limited anti-trust to fix this mess or the whole thing goes down the toilet.

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The counter argument that I constantly see to this position is "well, the coaches can leave whenever they want, so why can't the players?" Well, first off, coaches are professionals who are coaching for a living while players are legally considered student athletes, otherwise known as amateurs. Second, coaches can be fired at any point in the season for poor performance. Also, if a coach leaves while under contract, they are required to pay a buyout. With that in mind, people need to stop comparing players to coaches. They are not the same.

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Fisher was fired for performance, and he's being paid a "buyout" of 77.6 million (the remainder owed as if he was still coaching for the life of the contract). When a coach decides to leave for greener pastures while under contract he usually pays a pittance to the scorned school. The amount depends on how likely the school suspects it might be scorned by the coach and negotiates accordingly.

Fisher signed a contract in 2016 with FSU that paid him $5.5 million through 2024. He left for A&M in 2017 and the "buyout" for breach was $5-7 million rather than close to $50 million.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21631488/jimbo-fisher-leaving-florida-state-accept-coaching-job-texas-am

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. . . Fisher had signed an extension through 2024 with Florida State in December 2016 that gave him a base salary of $5.5 million. His buyout from Florida State is the sum remaining on the contracts of his assistants who are not retained, which would be in the range of $5 million to $7 million. . . .

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So the players are positioned pretty much like coaches in this regard when they abscond for parts unknown [except for having to worry about footing the bill for assistant coach salaries]. So maybe better positioned.

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Produce a single contract and pride your comment. The ability to negotiate is all Iamaleava had and he likely was not due further payments after his gambit was rejected. But do keep making things up…

greg.w.h said:

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Faustus said:

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zb008 said:

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Halconblack said:

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Lawmakers have to do something to fix this. I don't care about "limiting an individual's right to earn their market value." There is not gonna be any college football left.

The Athletic is literally reporting that Tennessee is "reaching out" to the starting QB at TCU, and the NCAA can do nothing about it. Everyone may ***** about the NCAA but the courts have stripped them of the power to do anything.

The NCAA, or whoever, needs limited anti-trust to fix this mess or the whole thing goes down the toilet.

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The counter argument that I constantly see to this position is "well, the coaches can leave whenever they want, so why can't the players?" Well, first off, coaches are professionals who are coaching for a living while players are legally considered student athletes, otherwise known as amateurs. Second, coaches can be fired at any point in the season for poor performance. Also, if a coach leaves while under contract, they are required to pay a buyout. With that in mind, people need to stop comparing players to coaches. They are not the same.

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Fisher was fired for performance, and he's being paid a "buyout" of 77.6 million (the remainder owed as if he was still coaching for the life of the contract). However when a coach decides to leave for greener pastures while under contract he usually pays a pittance to the scorned school. The amount depends on how likely the school suspects it might be scorned by the coach and negotiates accordingly.

Fisher signed a contract in 2016 with FSU that paid him $5.5 million through 2024. He left for A&M in 2017 and the "buyout" for breach was $5-7 million rather than close to $50 million.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21631488/jimbo-fisher-leaving-florida-state-accept-coaching-job-texas-am

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. . . Fisher had signed an extension through 2024 with Florida State in December 2016 that gave him a base salary of $5.5 million. His buyout from Florida State is the sum remaining on the contracts of his assistants who are not retained, which would be in the range of $5 million to $7 million. . . .

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So the players are positioned pretty much like coaches in this regard when they abscond for parts unknown [except for having to worry about footing the bill for assistant coach salaries]. So maybe better positioned.

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Produce a single contract and pride your comment. The ability to negotiate is all Iamaleava had and he likely was not due further payments after his gambit was rejected. But do keep making things up…

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Zb008 said coaches were different than players and I pointed out how they weren't as far as the contractual ramifications. Obviously UT/collectives don't owe Lamaleava any more than FSU did Fisher for breaching.

But I hear you. Production contract rejected pride he making Lamaleava up further payments was things up do gambit.

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He shared the inside of a game program from the day with the team rosters. They listed the players' majors, and they were real degrees, surprisingly several in engineering. (He was an engineer.) You can't even find a player's major on the current media guides.

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Yeah, and for the last 30 years when their majors were listed, half our roster was majoring in the Ag school.

Were you believing that was real for all those years?

That half our football roster was here to get a degree in Agriculture?

(Please tell me you're smart enough to realize that was never real, rather than to be mad you're being BS'ed less)

FIDO_Ags said:

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The adults in the room? Where were they? They had their hands out taking money left and right. And so were the coaches. I hate what's happened to college sports but I don't blame the athletes one bit. The universities created this problem by taking the money and the athletes they were making money off of just want their cut. Seems fair to me. I'd sure want to get paid if somebody made money off my jersey number and name everytime it was on tv. JFF wasn't wrong, he was just ahead of his time. Laissez faire at its purest and now everybody's upset.

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Yep

The only problem
Is the free transfer

There needs to be contracts that are enforceable with buyouts if players transfer, just like coaches have to pay buyouts if they want to go take another job

Coaches don't pay buyouts to leave.

The school hiring them pays them.

We're sitting on a huge stash of cash Texas paid us to buy Schloss.

And we paid a huge buyout to Nebraska to buy Trev.

I used to watch MLB and college football. Now I'm on the verge of watching NFL and college baseball.

ElephantRider said:

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The old system was broken. There's no reason players shouldn't get a piece of the pie, and the bigger schools were paying them anyways. But making it a free for all and adding the transfer portal on top of it is not the solution.

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This is the level of ignorant thinking that got us here.

1. "There's no reason players shouldn't get a piece of the pie".

Which pie is that? Because as of right now, the schools aren't sharing with players. Athletic departments aren't giving up any pie. The networks aren't giving up any pie. You know who is? The fans and donors who were already paying those entities. This level thinking is the equivalent of voting for more taxes. Congrats. You raised your own costs!

2. "Making it a free for all and adding the transfer portal is not the solution".

People with your line of thinking screeched loudly for years about how the poor poor children who were receiving a free world class education and all the perks no normal student could ever dream of needed to be paid. But you never considered that the you were trusting the same institutions who had mastered profiting off you for decades to enact the system you cried for. And lo and behold.. the system they enacted steals even more from you to the benefit of them.

Again, congrats. Many tried to warn people like you who didn't think this through. Now you grt to enjoy the fruit. Better pay your donation. And don't forget about the poor children. If you want them to play here, we're going to need you to up that donation.

To me the only issue is the transfer rules and the portal. If you slow that down i think it would be better. Kids were getting paid under the table. So that really hasnt changed. You just didn't see it.

Now the amounts they are getting paid is created by their ability to leave any time they want. If that were limited kids would not have as much leverage.

As anything in life the way it used to be wasnt fair tot he players. No the pendulum as swung too far the other way

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Coaches don't pay buyouts to leave.

The school hiring them pays them.

We're sitting on a huge stash of cash Texas paid us to buy Schloss.

And we paid a huge buyout to Nebraska to buy Trev.

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Right, the hiring school actually pays it

Same should go for transfers