Infection_Ag11 said:

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rgag12 said:

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Pichael Thompson said:

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Seems like every year we overlook our starting qb playing awful in the spring game & then it rolls right on into the season

Nothing appears to have changed w Marcel from watching today.... Really hope Marcel works on throwing mechanics this summer

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This 100%.

Also know that Marcel definitely will work with a coach this summer, he and the program will tout this fact, and it will have 0 effect on his play. He will perform about as well as he did last year.

It's a myth that players can radically change their games from year to year. It just doesn't happen.

I don't see this team improving much from where we were last year. We're going to need a dynamic coach to overhaul our entire roster offensively.

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The average rise in QBR across seasons in college football directly and pretty conclusively refutes your assertion. On average quarterbacks improve pretty dramatically between the end of their freshman and the end of their junior seasons.

Now generally yes, a three year player usually is what he is. But the statistical evidence is overwhelming that QBs improve significantly early in their careers.

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That has a lot to do with learning though, not accuracy

QB and OL probably see the most improvement by learning than any other positions

OL sees the most total improvement because it's both physical and mental

Just watched the game. We are going to suck on offense, again. It's bad. Defense probably looks better than it will actually be too because the offense is so bad. 7-5.

Johnny Boyziel 2 said:

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CrottyKid said:

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I am going to say this now and then just try to be supportive of the players during the season.

Klein is in over his head. This will cause a lot of small problems that will stifle our offense. Go ahead and prepare your expectations now. It will seem like the players' fault on the field, but they aren't the ones in charge of practice.

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How long have you had this typed up and ready to post? You are going to ***** and moan regardless of what happens.

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To be fair, that's because we're going to remain mediocre regardless of what happens.

jamey said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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rgag12 said:

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Pichael Thompson said:

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Seems like every year we overlook our starting qb playing awful in the spring game & then it rolls right on into the season

Nothing appears to have changed w Marcel from watching today.... Really hope Marcel works on throwing mechanics this summer

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This 100%.

Also know that Marcel definitely will work with a coach this summer, he and the program will tout this fact, and it will have 0 effect on his play. He will perform about as well as he did last year.

It's a myth that players can radically change their games from year to year. It just doesn't happen.

I don't see this team improving much from where we were last year. We're going to need a dynamic coach to overhaul our entire roster offensively.

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The average rise in QBR across seasons in college football directly and pretty conclusively refutes your assertion. On average quarterbacks improve pretty dramatically between the end of their freshman and the end of their junior seasons.

Now generally yes, a three year player usually is what he is. But the statistical evidence is overwhelming that QBs improve significantly early in their careers.

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That has a lot to do with learning though, not accuracy

QB and OL probably see the most improvement by learning than any other positions

OL sees the most total improvement because it's both physical and mental

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Completion percentage rises on average over 8% in that time frame. That's a pretty significant increase. Kellen Mond was a very typical example, his completion percentage rose 10% between his freshman and junior seasons.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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jamey said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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rgag12 said:

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Pichael Thompson said:

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Seems like every year we overlook our starting qb playing awful in the spring game & then it rolls right on into the season

Nothing appears to have changed w Marcel from watching today.... Really hope Marcel works on throwing mechanics this summer

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This 100%.

Also know that Marcel definitely will work with a coach this summer, he and the program will tout this fact, and it will have 0 effect on his play. He will perform about as well as he did last year.

It's a myth that players can radically change their games from year to year. It just doesn't happen.

I don't see this team improving much from where we were last year. We're going to need a dynamic coach to overhaul our entire roster offensively.

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The average rise in QBR across seasons in college football directly and pretty conclusively refutes your assertion. On average quarterbacks improve pretty dramatically between the end of their freshman and the end of their junior seasons.

Now generally yes, a three year player usually is what he is. But the statistical evidence is overwhelming that QBs improve significantly early in their careers.

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That has a lot to do with learning though, not accuracy

QB and OL probably see the most improvement by learning than any other positions

OL sees the most total improvement because it's both physical and mental

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Completion percentage rises on average over 8% in that time frame. That's a pretty significant increase. Kellen Mond was a very typical example, his completion percentage rose 10% between his freshman and junior seasons.

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Completion percentage is more than just throwing a ball accurately which is what i mean by accuracy.

A QBs ability to read defenses, find the open WR is some of that mental aspect I was talking about. That impacts Completion % but so does a lot of other things like pass pro, skill at WR...etc. Hell, a great run game helps Completion % because it helps keep the defense honest. Point being, Completion % is a team stat. Accuracy is strictly throwing the ball from point A to B with good ball placement

Mond is a good example. He never had a good deep ball, regularly over threw.


So we play to his advantages, don't waste so many plays on the deep ball he's highly unlikely to complete anyway, along with the mental aspect of being more comfortable with the offense and his Completion % improves. But was a Mond a highly accurate passer capable of making all the throws? No. His deep ball remained pretty consistently inaccurate, typically overthrown by a good amount

Pichael Thompson said:

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Seems like every year we overlook our starting qb playing awful in the spring game & then it rolls right on into the season

Nothing appears to have changed w Marcel from watching today.... Really hope Marcel works on throwing mechanics this summer

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Remember when Haynes King was awful in the spring game before app state and everyone blamed the wind?

Don't have a spring game if you don't have enough OL

It seems like they used this game to evaluate some guys. It was less of a showcase and more of an assessment.

MagnumLoad said:

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Don't have a spring game if you don't have enough OL

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The team is split in half. Nobody has enough to really evaluate units. You can really only evaluate individual play by skill imo.

Johnny didn't look SEC ready in the 2012 spring game.

jamey said:

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MagnumLoad said:

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Don't have a spring game if you don't have enough OL

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The team is split in half. Nobody has enough to really evaluate units. You can really only evaluate individual play by skill imo.

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Exactly. It's more about individuals and less about the team or units.

With the portal being open where any opposing team could watch a spring game, see someone they really like and offer them a bag to leave a day after, no program is going to show anything anymore. And even before the portal era it was already bland.

Spring games are a pretty poor indicator of how well a team or player will perform in the season. No one (except for me obvi) had any idea how good Johnny was going to be. You couldn't tell how slippery he was because plays were called dead that he would extend and make a play if it was full speed, full contact.

AgsMyDude said:

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Pichael Thompson said:

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Seems like every year we overlook our starting qb playing awful in the spring game & then it rolls right on into the season

Nothing appears to have changed w Marcel from watching today.... Really hope Marcel works on throwing mechanics this summer

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Remember when Haynes King was awful in the spring game before app state and everyone blamed the wind?

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To be fair, the problem may not have been with Haynes King, as evidenced by his play once he transferred away from Jimbo.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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rgag12 said:

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Pichael Thompson said:

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Seems like every year we overlook our starting qb playing awful in the spring game & then it rolls right on into the season

Nothing appears to have changed w Marcel from watching today.... Really hope Marcel works on throwing mechanics this summer

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This 100%.

Also know that Marcel definitely will work with a coach this summer, he and the program will tout this fact, and it will have 0 effect on his play. He will perform about as well as he did last year.

It's a myth that players can radically change their games from year to year. It just doesn't happen.

I don't see this team improving much from where we were last year. We're going to need a dynamic coach to overhaul our entire roster offensively.

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The average rise in QBR across seasons in college football directly and pretty conclusively refutes your assertion. On average quarterbacks improve pretty dramatically between the end of their freshman and the end of their junior seasons.

Now generally yes, a three year player usually is what he is. But the statistical evidence is overwhelming that QBs improve significantly early in their careers.

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Mike Leach: "If a quarterback isn't accurate, you shouldn't recruit him"

"People make this mistake all over the country, and everybody can think of one, but there will be a guy who is big, strong and athletic, and everyone gets tempted by speed and if someone has a super strong arm."

"Then they say 'Well all he has to do is work on his accuracy. Well ok. He won't be accurate in high school. Then some college will take him, and then he won't be accurate there, and then the NFL says 'all he has to do is work on his accuracy,' and they'll take him there, and he won't be accurate there and then he'll be out of the league."

"The thing that's amazing to me, is that after all of high school he's not accurate, and now all of a sudden you're special and you're going to make him accurate? And then after college he's not accurate, and you're special and you're going to make him accurate? I just haven't seen that happen. I've seen guys improve, but they don't all of a sudden become accurate."

"The other thing is, you can go grab a shortstop and teach him to play quarterback easier than you can make someone accurate."

Heisenberg01 said:

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AgsMyDude said:

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Pichael Thompson said:

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Seems like every year we overlook our starting qb playing awful in the spring game & then it rolls right on into the season

Nothing appears to have changed w Marcel from watching today.... Really hope Marcel works on throwing mechanics this summer

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Remember when Haynes King was awful in the spring game before app state and everyone blamed the wind?

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To be fair, the problem may not have been with Haynes King, as evidenced by his play once he transferred away from Jimbo.

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Sure but definitely wasn't the wind