Players today play for money, not a coach*

*unless said coach gets them in a position to make more money.

BrotherChad2 said:

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I'm not overlooking Florida or Arkansas

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You can overlook them. You aren't playing.

You realize this, yes?

These are the coaches who make as much or more than Elko who are gone or might be in jeopardy.

Sam Pittman Arkansas
Billy Napier Florida
Mike Gundy Oklahoma State
Luke Fickell Wisconsin
James Franklin Penn State
Mark Stoops Kentucky
Bill Belichick North Carolina
Lincoln Riley USC
perhaps FSU with Norvell?!



We can match salary offers of anyone who comes calling. Providing guaranteed long term contracts we probably can't do because we are married to Jimbo. I wouldn't want to do it regardless if I'm a BMA.

Bottlehead90 said:

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If we make it to 8-0, there will be rumors of Elko leaving for nfl or some other job opening.

Like clockwork
Been happening since RC at least

Not sure who starts the rumors, but they never benefit A&M

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Only two coaches left A&M for another schools: Paul "Bear" Bryant and Dana Bible.

Don't think we ever hand a coach resign to go to the NFL.

But others have been fired or resigned, and coached at other places to success: Gene Stallings at Alabama, Sherill and Bellard at Mississippi State.

Elko only has three full seasons under his belt, so if he decided to leave to God knows where he can't take the Texas A&M collectives with him, right? So, why is everyone having a panic attack about this?

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AgOutsideAustin said:

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Why even talk about an extension?

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Because the idiots in charge extended both Sumlin and Fischer after 1 or 2 decent seasons even though they were both under absurdly long contracts to begin with.

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Uhhh think I was around for those…. That's my point.

Bill Superman said:

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AgOutsideAustin said:

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Why even talk about an extension? Is he unhappy ? Not given enough NIL money or facilities? Is another school trying to poach him?

We do this every single time………….

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He's getting tired of the bleeders and all the folks adamant that there's gotta be something to be upset about even after a hard fought win. The doomers are going to cost us big.

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I think Elko is smarter than the other coaches we have had and knows how the keyboard warriors can get.

Big money and big expectations, I'm sure he can handle a few doomers.

JournoAG said:

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AgOutsideAustin said:

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Why even talk about an extension? Is he unhappy ? Not given enough NIL money or facilities? Is another school trying to poach him?

We do this every single time………….

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Did I miss something? Is there any evidence anyone is talking about an extension other than a couple random posters on TexAgs?

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Nope. No evidence. That's my point why even bring it up from the OP?

ABATTBQ11 said:

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AgOutsideAustin said:

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Why even talk about an extension? Is he unhappy ? Not given enough NIL money or facilities? Is another school trying to poach him?

We do this every single time………….

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Because it's the BMAs' MO

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True and that's why I said we do it every single time but I hope for once we hold off.

Logos Stick said:

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the most cool guy said:

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For the 1000th time, the problem wasn't the Jimbo extension or even the raise. It was that it was fully guaranteed with no liquidated buyout, and no reduction if he takes a new job. And Liucci has suggested before that Jimbo wasn't even asking for any of that. We just gave it to him for free because our administration is/was full of ****ing morons.

I don't care if we extend Elko and/or give him a raise if he has a really good year. But we need to make sure that we have a liquidated buyout where we only have to pay him like $15 million in the event we fire him, not the entire value of his contract.

With all of that said, Elko hasn't earned an extension or a raise. If he has a really good year, he has heavy incentives in his contract. He gets an additional $1 million for making the playoff, $1.5 million the quarterfinals, $2 million for semifinals, $2.5 million for making the CCG, and $3.5 million if he wins it.

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He would not have come or accepted the extension without those terms, so the point is moot.

If Elko starts demanding that stuff, let him go.

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False. Jimbo's agent wanted the raise and extension. The fully guaranteed entire value of the contract was just given to him by A&M. That's been reported a number of places. He would have stayed even if he just had a big buyout.

If we win our next 2 games against Florida (home), and Arkansas (away), we will start 7-0 for the first time since 1994 before a road game at LSU. The road game at Arkansas is a trap game because we will likely be double digit road favorites with the road game at LSU looming. Even if we beat Arkansas, we will probably be road underdogs at LSU because winning back-to-back SEC road games is rare. Also, we are 0-6 in Baton Rouge since joining the SEC, with 5 of those 6 losses decided by 12+ points. That's why I'm going to assume a loss to LSU. With a likely road loss to LSU, we must win 2/3 November SEC games against Missouri (away), South Carolina (home), and Texas (away) to finish 10-2 (6-2 SEC) and make the playoffs.

We have lost 7 consecutive November or later road games dating back to a 29-19 loss at Ole Miss on 11/13/2021.

11/13/2021: 29-19 loss at 10-3 (6-2 SEC) Ole Miss
11/27/2021: 27-24 loss at 6-7 (3-5 SEC) LSU
11/12/2022: 13-10 loss at 5-7 (2-6 SEC) Auburn
11/4/2023: 38-35 loss at 11-2 (6-2 SEC) Ole Miss
11/25/2023: 42-30 loss at 10-3 (6-2 SEC) LSU
11/2/2024: 44-20 loss at 9-4 (5-3 SEC) South Carolina
11/23/2024: 43-41 4-OT loss at 5-7 (2-6 SEC) Auburn


A win over Missouri or Texas would be our first November/December road win in 5 years, but losses to both Missouri and Texas would extend our November road losing streak to 9 games and stretch into 2026. We must win one of the two road games at Missouri and Texas to finish 10-2 and make the playoffs.

I agree that we should not extend Elko until after he posts back-to-back 10+ win seasons. Even if he goes 10-2 and leads us to a playoff appearance, he needs to prove he can win 10 games with an even tougher schedule that features 10 regular season games against Power 4 opponents: 9 SEC games and P4 OOC against Arizona State.

I'm overlooking the 7 games on our schedule and already making plans for the SECCG and playoff appearance. Booking flights and hotels now.

the most cool guy said:

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Logos Stick said:

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the most cool guy said:

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For the 1000th time, the problem wasn't the Jimbo extension or even the raise. It was that it was fully guaranteed with no liquidated buyout, and no reduction if he takes a new job. And Liucci has suggested before that Jimbo wasn't even asking for any of that. We just gave it to him for free because our administration is/was full of ****ing morons.

I don't care if we extend Elko and/or give him a raise if he has a really good year. But we need to make sure that we have a liquidated buyout where we only have to pay him like $15 million in the event we fire him, not the entire value of his contract.

With all of that said, Elko hasn't earned an extension or a raise. If he has a really good year, he has heavy incentives in his contract. He gets an additional $1 million for making the playoff, $1.5 million the quarterfinals, $2 million for semifinals, $2.5 million for making the CCG, and $3.5 million if he wins it.

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He would not have come or accepted the extension without those terms, so the point is moot.

If Elko starts demanding that stuff, let him go.

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False. Jimbo's agent wanted the raise and extension. The fully guaranteed entire value of the contract was just given to him by A&M. That's been reported a number of places. He would have stayed even if he just had a big buyout.

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Non sequitur. We brought the contract extension to him that was guaranteed. You are using that fact to conclude he would not have demanded a guarantee and stayed had it not been in there. Makes no sense.

He had 6 years left on a guaranteed contract! But sure, the extension to that contract (which is a new contract) - to add four more years to it - he was willing to give up the guarantee! Nonsense.

If he gets us to the playoff, we will have had a coach bargain. Lets hope that happens.

AgOutsideAustin said:

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Bill Superman said:

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AgOutsideAustin said:

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Why even talk about an extension? Is he unhappy ? Not given enough NIL money or facilities? Is another school trying to poach him?

We do this every single time………….

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He's getting tired of the bleeders and all the folks adamant that there's gotta be something to be upset about even after a hard fought win. The doomers are going to cost us big.

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I think Elko is smarter than the other coaches we have had and knows how the keyboard warriors can get.

Big money and big expectations, I'm sure he can handle a few doomers.

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This is spot on. If I am not mistaken, Elko is among only 4 active D1 coaches who graduated from an Ivy League school. Think about that when you think of your average football coach. Pretty impressive that our coach graduated from a school that 99% of us would not have been admitted to.

I also think, and could be wrong, that money is not the big driver for him. He has said as much in past press conferences - that the profession itself gets paid ridiculous money. I think he is really more driven to win championships. Maybe I am naive, but think he is cut from a more "old school" mentality in that respect.

third deck said:

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AgOutsideAustin said:

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Bill Superman said:

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AgOutsideAustin said:

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Why even talk about an extension? Is he unhappy ? Not given enough NIL money or facilities? Is another school trying to poach him?

We do this every single time………….

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He's getting tired of the bleeders and all the folks adamant that there's gotta be something to be upset about even after a hard fought win. The doomers are going to cost us big.

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I think Elko is smarter than the other coaches we have had and knows how the keyboard warriors can get.

Big money and big expectations, I'm sure he can handle a few doomers.

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This is spot on. If I am not mistaken, Elko is among only 4 active D1 coaches who graduated from an Ivy League school. Think about that when you think of your average football coach. Pretty impressive that our coach graduated from a school that 99% of us would not have been admitted to.

I also think, and could be wrong, that money is not the big driver for him. He has said as much in past press conferences - that the profession itself gets paid ridiculous money. I think he is really more driven to win championships. Maybe I am naive, but think he is cut from a more "old school" mentality in that respect.

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Eventually, zeros win out.

Its all a matter of whether he feels he is getting the resources he wants. Both personally and off the field support.

Tex117 said:

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third deck said:

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AgOutsideAustin said:

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Bill Superman said:

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AgOutsideAustin said:

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Why even talk about an extension? Is he unhappy ? Not given enough NIL money or facilities? Is another school trying to poach him?

We do this every single time………….

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He's getting tired of the bleeders and all the folks adamant that there's gotta be something to be upset about even after a hard fought win. The doomers are going to cost us big.

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I think Elko is smarter than the other coaches we have had and knows how the keyboard warriors can get.

Big money and big expectations, I'm sure he can handle a few doomers.

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This is spot on. If I am not mistaken, Elko is among only 4 active D1 coaches who graduated from an Ivy League school. Think about that when you think of your average football coach. Pretty impressive that our coach graduated from a school that 99% of us would not have been admitted to.

I also think, and could be wrong, that money is not the big driver for him. He has said as much in past press conferences - that the profession itself gets paid ridiculous money. I think he is really more driven to win championships. Maybe I am naive, but think he is cut from a more "old school" mentality in that respect.

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Eventually, zeros win out.

Its all a matter of whether he feels he is getting the resources he wants. Both personally and off the field support.

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Dumbo was given everything and effed it up.

Elko is also being given everything and time will tell.

It's not that hard. If he gets us into the playoffs that will mean he is one of the top 4-5 coaches in the SEC and he should be paid accordingly.

WE will extend only if he loses 100 pounds

rootube said:

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It's not that hard. If he gets us into the playoffs that will mean he is one of the top 4-5 coaches in the SEC and he should be paid accordingly.

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It does not.

He will make "top coaches money" if he hits his contract incentives. That's why we have them in the contract.

AgOutsideAustin said:

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Tex117 said:

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third deck said:

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AgOutsideAustin said:

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Bill Superman said:

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AgOutsideAustin said:

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Why even talk about an extension? Is he unhappy ? Not given enough NIL money or facilities? Is another school trying to poach him?

We do this every single time………….

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He's getting tired of the bleeders and all the folks adamant that there's gotta be something to be upset about even after a hard fought win. The doomers are going to cost us big.

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I think Elko is smarter than the other coaches we have had and knows how the keyboard warriors can get.

Big money and big expectations, I'm sure he can handle a few doomers.

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This is spot on. If I am not mistaken, Elko is among only 4 active D1 coaches who graduated from an Ivy League school. Think about that when you think of your average football coach. Pretty impressive that our coach graduated from a school that 99% of us would not have been admitted to.

I also think, and could be wrong, that money is not the big driver for him. He has said as much in past press conferences - that the profession itself gets paid ridiculous money. I think he is really more driven to win championships. Maybe I am naive, but think he is cut from a more "old school" mentality in that respect.

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Eventually, zeros win out.

Its all a matter of whether he feels he is getting the resources he wants. Both personally and off the field support.

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Dumbo was given everything and effed it up.

Elko is also being given everything and time will tell.

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I didn't say he would win. I said that is what would clearly motivate him.

the most cool guy said:

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Logos Stick said:

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the most cool guy said:

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For the 1000th time, the problem wasn't the Jimbo extension or even the raise. It was that it was fully guaranteed with no liquidated buyout, and no reduction if he takes a new job. And Liucci has suggested before that Jimbo wasn't even asking for any of that. We just gave it to him for free because our administration is/was full of ****ing morons.

I don't care if we extend Elko and/or give him a raise if he has a really good year. But we need to make sure that we have a liquidated buyout where we only have to pay him like $15 million in the event we fire him, not the entire value of his contract.

With all of that said, Elko hasn't earned an extension or a raise. If he has a really good year, he has heavy incentives in his contract. He gets an additional $1 million for making the playoff, $1.5 million the quarterfinals, $2 million for semifinals, $2.5 million for making the CCG, and $3.5 million if he wins it.

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He would not have come or accepted the extension without those terms, so the point is moot.

If Elko starts demanding that stuff, let him go.

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False. Jimbo's agent wanted the raise and extension. The fully guaranteed entire value of the contract was just given to him by A&M. That's been reported a number of places. He would have stayed even if he just had a big buyout.

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False. LSU's offer was fully guaranteed, just like their deal with Kelly when Jimbo fell through.

Can we at least start on his statue now? Or too soon for that too?

StinkyPinky said:

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Can we at least start on his statue now? Or too soon for that too?

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Gonna need a LOT of concrete or marble.

Logos Stick said:

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Bottlehead90 said:

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Not sure who starts the rumors, but they never benefit A&M

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His agent starts them. Wouldn't you? Think!

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There's a certain school with MAJOR pull in every form of media in this state and even in the country.

Teslag said:

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the most cool guy said:

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Logos Stick said:

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the most cool guy said:

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For the 1000th time, the problem wasn't the Jimbo extension or even the raise. It was that it was fully guaranteed with no liquidated buyout, and no reduction if he takes a new job. And Liucci has suggested before that Jimbo wasn't even asking for any of that. We just gave it to him for free because our administration is/was full of ****ing morons.

I don't care if we extend Elko and/or give him a raise if he has a really good year. But we need to make sure that we have a liquidated buyout where we only have to pay him like $15 million in the event we fire him, not the entire value of his contract.

With all of that said, Elko hasn't earned an extension or a raise. If he has a really good year, he has heavy incentives in his contract. He gets an additional $1 million for making the playoff, $1.5 million the quarterfinals, $2 million for semifinals, $2.5 million for making the CCG, and $3.5 million if he wins it.

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He would not have come or accepted the extension without those terms, so the point is moot.

If Elko starts demanding that stuff, let him go.

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False. Jimbo's agent wanted the raise and extension. The fully guaranteed entire value of the contract was just given to him by A&M. That's been reported a number of places. He would have stayed even if he just had a big buyout.

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False. LSU's offer was fully guaranteed, just like their deal with Kelly when Jimbo fell through.

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Kelly's LSU contract is only 90% guaranteed unless he wins a national championship during his tenure, in which case it is 100% guaranteed. But either way it gets offset if he takes a new job somewhere else.

In the early 90's, My coworkers' son was a heavily recruited DL who was choosing between A&M and tu. We talked off and on about his recruitment and I thought we had a strong chance.
The morning of signing stay she stopped by to tell me he signed with tu and that RC had accepted the coaching job for the Arizona Cardinals. RC's name had been rumored for the job. I told her that was not true and whoever told her that had lied to her and her son. She paused and there was the realization that I was telling the truth.
To bad because he had a good college career and 5 or 6 years in the nfl.

So the rumors do influence some people.

We will extend for a ridiculous level.

The people in charge haven't changed.

They make us deliberately stupid

I can see we're in the "Fret over keeping our coach" phase. Next up, "How can we afford the buyout?"

If he wins enough to make the playoffs the contract literally extends itself by a year

Week by week for me

Elko's name is being thrown around for the Penn State job.

A good time to remember rule #1 and #2 of this thread!

Given the sleazenaggle fiasco…I hope AD good hair has at least given Elko a call…"hey how's it going? Anything I should know?" It would be beyond embarrassing to be caught with his pants around his ankles…again

Boy does this look stupid now!

Quit focusing on personnel and contract minutiae.

Here's the thing, IMO…

When Elko is 11-0 going into the Texas game, then wins that by 2 scores, everyone will see the sleeping giant he has awakened. Nobody, not even Texas tech, will be able to compete with the amount of money that will pour into the program and NIL budget.

So if Elko decides to leave a school that will compete for NC's every year, best of luck to him. The Ags will be able to get whomever they want to replace him.

Elko has turned A&M into a job that coaches don't leave.