Tex117 said:

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rootube said:

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sharpdressedman said:

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rootube said:

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TheBonifaceOption said:

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Jugstore Cowboy said:

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Dave Aranda / Baylor is probably on the Probably list.

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I got inlaws who are Baylor people and they dont think so. I know its anecdotal to rely on it. But the culture of the B12 in 2025 is not really that concerned with FB dominance, especially Baylor. In the Big 12, they know they will never really be a contender with tOSU or Bama. So if the conference has a standout team "cool."

Why I mentioned Baylor especially is that they are really a basketball school, and even worse a WBB school. You will see Ferrell arena packed for WBB. Its like those old UCONN Tennessee days. You will see 40,000 geriatrics go to a womens game and they are happy for Baylor because they have one program better than the rest.

The Big12 has some decent Men's basketball and baseball squads. But as for FB, its kinda just accepted the fate of the B12 being 2nd tiere.

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This is silly. The path to the B12 title, and ultimately the playoffs is easier than it has ever been for the B12. I think the real issue is that Baylor doesn't have the resources to compete with the top teams in the B12 even with the departure of the big money teams.

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Baylor has regressed to being a little church school.

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It's turned into a money game which stacks the deck against a small private school. Their fate was sealed when they got left behind in the conference realignment.. it's a little sad because they do have passionate fans.

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Their demise should have occurred in the original Big12 alignment but for their political clout at the time. Nature healed.

(And they have money, just like SMU and TCU, it's possible for them to compete…. But likely not through a full playoff.)

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I'm arguing the same point on two different threads. The other one is Vanderbilt. People get confused when they may know a lot rich alumni from Baylor or Vandy. The problem is when your alumni base is 5x smaller the math cuts against you. Is the average donor from Baylor giving 5x the average Aggie donor? No. And that's not even counting the higher number of whale donors who are giving at VERY big levels for A&M.

I wonder if the OP meant Michigan State and just typed the wrong abbreviation...Sparty is a mess and should definitely be looking for a new HC.

Updated for Florida

Jay Norvell gone from Colorado State

I'm not big on ESPN's savvy about anything, but the names they drop are worth the look. Mind you each of these lists were written at the time of the specific coaches firing, so many of them are dated. Still…

Florida Gators:
- Ole Miss coach Lane Kiffin
- Missouri coach Eliah Drinkwitz
- SMU coach Rhett Lashlee
- Washington coach Jedd Fisch
- Notre Dame coach Marcus Freeman

Arkansas Razorbacks
- SMU coach Rhett Lashlee
- Tulane coach Jon Sumrall
- Arkansas offensive coordinator Bobby Petrino
- Memphis coach Ryan Silverfield
- Colorado coach Deion Sanders

Penn State
- Nebraska coach Matt Rhule
- Indiana coach Curt Cignetti (moot)
- Iowa State coach Matt Campbell
- Duke coach Manny Diaz
- UNLV coach Dan Mullen

OK St
- UTSA coach Jeff Traylor
- Texas State coach G.J. Kinne
- Texas A&M offensive coordinator Collin Klein
- North Texas coach Eric Morris
- Oklahoma offensive coordinator Ben Arbuckle

Would Auburn really fire Freeze? Yes, thy are 3-4 but have been screwed majorly 2x by the refs @OU, vs UGA. They should go 3-2 on the way out and finish 6-6, or 7-5 if they can upset either Vandy or in the Iron Bowl. Then again his buyout is only $10 mil after Dec 1, so..

Smoke around northern Colorado is that Colorado State will be giving Klein a call. He is a local HS product.

Not to be *that guy* but is a HC position in the B12 really a step up from a coordinator position in the SEC/B10 or even the ACC?

Tamuco99 said:

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I assume that you meant Virginia Tech

Also, there's no way Lebby gets fired after only 2 years

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Miss St would be making a mistake firing him.

misterguinness said:

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Smoke around northern Colorado is that Colorado State will be giving Klein a call. He is a local HS product.

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I'm not sure that's a take for him.

Probably depends on how CSU sits compared to others in conference in NIL, but I think he can probably get a lower tier P4 job if he has a few good years here.

With that many already fired this is not a good year to have to replace your HC.

Vinny said:

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With that many already fired this is not a good year to have to replace your HC.

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Thats the problem with it. You could be a good team with a good record and then in an instant your own coach is gone and youre having to find a replacement and worry about recruits and portal losses.

The whole thing is a **** show.

Man, I really hope A&M doesn't have to find a coach this year.

Its going to brutal.

ktownag08 said:

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In the current era of CFB, none of those programs are better positioned to win than A&M so not worried about Elko going anywhere.

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Penn State might be.

A lot easier getting to the Big10 championship game than the SEC.

Still a good place to recruit too with lots of backing and massive alumni base.

TheBonifaceOption said:

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Not to be *that guy* but is a HC position in the B12 really a step up from a coordinator position in the SEC/B10 or even the ACC?

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Especially that situation. Colorado St. is almost as bad as the liberal pacific coach school when it comes to financial support and give a damn.

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F2Aggie said:

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I could see B Kelly leaving lsu for psu.
He is down the list.

Don't think msst fires Lebby.

Franklin to Florida?

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BK is a leave on your own now or be fired next year type situation … so I'm curious

UF is all in on Lane currently being the no1 choice, but Lane also is the unnamed replacement for the LSU gig when it opens

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Nah, man....don't you even TexAgs bro?
With Woodward as AD, the next head coach for the Bayou Bengals is none other than Jimbo Fisher!

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SnowboardAg said:

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I dont remember this many midseason firings, but mayve ive forgotten.

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Mid season bye weeks. This will be the grind moving forward

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Also, the new portal rules make it really hard to keep/assemble a roster if you are in the middle of a coaching change while the portal is open.

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With that many already fired this is not a good year to have to replace your HC.

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FSU and Wisconsin trying to sit this carousel out.

Might as well start the Elko extension now. Penn State fans want Elko as their number 1 choice, I'm sure they have already made a call. As bad as A&M has been burned in the past, I'm not sure you will have much choice here other than to give Elko a big extension number. His current salary is too low given what he has produced already.

TheBonifaceOption said:

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Not to be *that guy* but is a HC position in the B12 really a step up from a coordinator position in the SEC/B10 or even the ACC?

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Seriously? The HC in the B12 makes at least $3 mill a year -- probably 10x or more of the average coordinator. Do well and you're:

1. In line for a multi-million dollar raise at that school, along with a buyout, AND
2. In line for another job with (see 1).

The coordinator MAY get an opportunity but probably not a P4 school at his first stop. For every Kirby Smart, there are at least 5 coordinators that start the HC stints at a Buffalo or San Jose State.

I live in Fort Collins-Colorado State e job is open and there's a lot of talk about Colin Klein. He was a star QB at a local high school

TheBonifaceOption said:

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Not to be *that guy* but is a HC position in the B12 really a step up from a coordinator position in the SEC/B10 or even the ACC?

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Absolutely it is

Agvet12 said:

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F2Aggie said:

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I could see B Kelly leaving lsu for psu.
He is down the list.

Don't think msst fires Lebby.

Franklin to Florida?

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MSST isn't firing Lebby
BK is a leave on your own now or be fired next year type situation … so I'm curious

UF is all in on Lane currently being the no1 choice, but Lane also is the unnamed replacement for the LSU gig when it opens

Franklin I think ends up at Auburn if I had to guess

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Kelly would be an absolute moron to walk away on his own. His buyout is about $53MM. If he walks, he doesnt get that. If swamp tigger fires him, he gets a massive check on the way out the door.

You ride that pony until the bitter end. He isnt leaving until he finds out his key card no longer works in the field house anymore.

jeffdjohnson said:

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Might as well start the Elko extension now. Penn State fans want Elko as their number 1 choice, I'm sure they have already made a call. As bad as A&M has been burned in the past, I'm not sure you will have much choice here other than to give Elko a big extension number. His current salary is too low given what he has produced already.

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Elko's base is $7MM, but he has a metric crap ton of annual incentive bonuses built into his agreement that puts his pay near the top of the heap.

Pate thinks Freeze is gone this week if Auburn loses to Arky. He seems to have some inside info.

91AggieLawyer said:

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TheBonifaceOption said:

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Not to be *that guy* but is a HC position in the B12 really a step up from a coordinator position in the SEC/B10 or even the ACC?

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Seriously? The HC in the B12 makes at least $3 mill a year -- probably 10x or more of the average coordinator. Do well and you're:

1. In line for a multi-million dollar raise at that school, along with a buyout, AND
2. In line for another job with (see 1).

The coordinator MAY get an opportunity but probably not a P4 school at his first stop. For every Kirby Smart, there are at least 5 coordinators that start the HC stints at a Buffalo or San Jose State.

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There is more to coaching than money. Take this for example:

Youre a DC/OC in the SEC, you have a success season or two in a successful program and your side of the ball is solid.

You can go B12 for $3m or continue at $1.5m in a program for one more year and hope for a HC consideration in the B10/SEC. Why would you do this?

Well first you know that you prefer a top job in top conferences, you know the payday would be greater. Secondly, you know the limitations of the B12 (recruiting scraps, volatility, facilities, NIL poaching from bigger programs). Finally, coaches want to win NCs. They know the path to a ring is more attainable as a coordinator at a successful school and that makes your resume for a HC position that much better. (See Saban's coaching tree.)

I would think UCLA gives their interim the job. They've gone from dead to outside shot at bowl game. And their coffers aren't overflowing.

You go and get that Head Football Coach title, because once you make it into that club you are always a contender for the next vacancy, of which there are a dozen or more every year.

And if you have success, you get to pass up having to be a coach at Kentucky or Mizzou and are instead getting shots at programs that can, and do, actually win.

schmellba99 said:

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You go and get that Head Football Coach title, because once you make it into that club you are always a contender for the next vacancy, of which there are a dozen or more every year.

And if you have success, you get to pass up having to be a coach at Kentucky or Mizzou and are instead getting shots at programs that can, and do, actually win.

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You say that but if you go 8-4 or 9-3 in the B12, youre not getting calls from MSST or WIS.

Lesser conferences are where careers go to die.

Would love to see Mike Gundy come to the SEC, but I don't know if he is the same Gundy he was 10 years ago.

I think he actually cares about developing his players as men and is a good dude, just not, "preacher man-Dabo" level.

Kelly update

rootube said:

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TheBonifaceOption said:

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Gone:

Penn State
Oregon State
UAB
Oklahoma State
Arkansas
UCLA
Virginia Tech



Awaiting announcement:

Florida
Auburn



Probably gone:

FSU
MSST
Wisconsin

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MSST is not firing their coach. It's questionable if Auburn has the money to fire Freeze.

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The money may not be as big as a hurdle as people think. Jimbo is only getting like $7-8mil/year until the guaranteed money is complete.

Freeze only has $15mil, which may (idfk) be paid out over time. But its not astronomical like Jimbo or Malzahn.

Auburn needs to wait a year due to all of the current vacancies. Not a good idea for them to go head to head with LSU and Florida for a new HC unless they have a G4 coach not named Sumerall penciled in to replace Freeze.

Canyon99 said:

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Auburn needs to wait a year due to all of the current vacancies. Not a good idea for them to go head to head with LSU and Florida for a new HC unless they have a G4 coach not named Sumerall penciled in to replace Freeze.

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Was Elko really on many team's radar prior to accepting here? He had success at Duke, but it didnt seem like a Florida/LSU strata would want him.

Everyone likes a splash hire or some sort of known pedigree, but I think Auburn needs to be a bit more realistic with their targets.