Elmer Dobkins said:

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Ag_EE_88 said:

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As if we were going to stop them anyways?

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So, you can't explain it? (And Aggie defense held them to 3-and-out the previous series)..

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And then in the series in question, they didn't.

Ag_EE_88 said:

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Elmer Dobkins said:

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Ag_EE_88 said:

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As if we were going to stop them anyways?

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So, you can't explain it? (And Aggie defense held them to 3-and-out the previous series)..

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And then in the series in question, they didn't.

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Too busy trying to figure out how the hell they lost 30 yards before 1st down.

It wasn't replayed in the stadium either. Massive shift in momentum on that one penalty alone.

Z Team said:

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Haven't been able to wrap my head around this one yet. Can anyone actually explain how it's possible?

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No player can block another below the waist outside tackle box. Didnt see it in real time, but it is a thing. Can be on either team

Well, considering this was a kick, there's no tacklebox. Blocking below the waist by either team is illegal on any kicking play.

Unfortunately, I never saw the replay either so not sure if it was a good call or not.

However, blocking below the waste on the Kicking team is rare but has happened before.

Keep in mind that blocking is not just by the team that possesses the ball that can be by either team.

Knoxville_Ag_08 said:

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And no questions about it in the press conference… why?? Not even by any of the Texags contingent… this was a huge call in the game…

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what would asking about it change

Accountability

TexasRebel said:

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Accountability

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Games over. Probably fair call. We got some pis not called on us so if anything we can take it as a makeup call

BraxtonW said:

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TexasRebel said:

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Accountability

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Games over. Probably fair call. We got some pis not called on us so if anything we can take it as a makeup call

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So you think if the refs do worse they get better?!

schmiddy94 said:

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Well, considering this was a kick, there's no tacklebox. Blocking below the waist by either team is illegal on any kicking play.

Unfortunately, I never saw the replay either so not sure if it was a good call or not.

However, blocking below the waste on the Kicking team is rare but has happened before.

Keep in mind that blocking is not just by the team that possesses the ball that can be by either team.

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I'm not taking anyone's word on that. why would anyone on the kick team do anything other than get to the ball? I've watched probably 4 to 6000 games and studied special teams play, never seen it. If a kick off team player went below the waste, it would not be called block below the waste (much less, chop block {it takes 2 for that}), it would be unsportsmanlike conduct.

TexasRebel said:

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BraxtonW said:

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TexasRebel said:

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Accountability

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Games over. Probably fair call. We got some pis not called on us so if anything we can take it as a makeup call

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So you think if the refs do worse they get better?!

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no.

Was just saying call probably didn't matter. And we got some calls (surprisingly) in our favor. More than them

The Collective said:

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Gamecast says block in back. I assumed it got corrected vs what was originally signaled, but you guys could be right.

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Ref himself said block below the waist and did the proper motion for that. Game cast is wrong.

It definitely was a momentum swing. First down on the 8 vs the 40. Bizarre . I wanted to see the replay on TV . Guess I can skip that

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Z Team said:

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Haven't been able to wrap my head around this one yet. Can anyone actually explain how it's possible?

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No player can block another below the waist outside tackle box. Didnt see it in real time, but it is a thing. Can be on either team

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Sounds pretty egregious, so much in fact there's probably a replay, right?

TexasRebel said:

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Why would anyone on the kicking team block?

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If it happened which is a big if

the ref was of the opinion that infraction was some kind of cheap shot on the kicking team the ref decided he need to keep a lid on that type of stuff

On a related note how blatant was the FaceMask that helped Us pick up the 3rd and twenty
Also how blatant was the offensive PI

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aggiedad7 said:

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The Collective said:

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Gamecast says block in back. I assumed it got corrected vs what was originally signaled, but you guys could be right.

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Ref himself said block below the waist and did the proper motion for that. Game cast is wrong.

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Correct. Original call was block below the waist on the receiving team. Penalty is half the distance to the goal. Then, about a minute of awkward chit chat between Greg and Sean with no further explanation or replay. Then, referee cuts back in with a correction, penalty was on the kicking team, and play quickly resumes with the ball near the 40 yard line, again with no further explanation of the penalty or replay, or even a shot or mention of Elko questioning the call.

It all seemed really odd.

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30 yard swing, opened up the sip play book, and at that point in the game, the officiating crew had plenty of other ones to pull out of their sleeves if necessary. Under 10 minutes, it was Greg Sankey time.

Bump - does anyone have any ****ing clue what happened during this play?

Difference was first and 10 from the 8 yard line v. 1st and 10 from the 40?

Still, zero explanation on the TV, just an "eh" let's spot the ball here instead, let's go with that, and they snapped it with no further argument.

BadMoonRisin said:

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Bump - does anyone have any ****ing clue what happened during this play?

Difference was first and 10 from the 8 yard line v. 1st and 10 from the 40?

Still, zero explanation on the TV, just an "eh" let's spot the ball here instead, let's go with that, and they snapped it with no further argument.

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Did you read any of the above 90+ posts? The summary was accurate with somewhat iffy explanations. Here's the deal:

By rule, on any change of possession play, which includes kickoffs, punts, field goals, fumbles, and interceptions, there is to be NO CONTACT BELOW THE WAIST by EITHER TEAM. Result is a 15 yard penalty.

I haven't seen the play so I can't speak on the accuracy of the call. The rule is pretty plain and implemented to attempt to reduce lower body injuries. I officiated Texas HS ball for 5 years under NCAA rules. From experience, it's pretty easy to spot and likely still to be a point of emphasis. What I can say is the enforcement was poorly explained and executed. Poor communication on the part of the officials.

Block below the waist is the name of the foul. Obvious on the part of the offense or receiving team. We don't think of defenders or kicking team "blocking" but the point of the foul is contact below the waist, pure and simple.

For those confused about the 30 yard turnaround, taking away 15 yards from them as originally announced and adding 15 yards penalized against us equals 30 yards total.

Officials are graded by each coach every game and the grading is important because of the potential for postseason assignments and even could impact them the following season. If Coach Elko has a problem with the actual call no doubt it will be noted. Surely the execution of the enforcement will be. Regardless of network coverage, we will have our own video to review I'm pretty certain. It gets broken down by position for coaching purposes. Maybe Texags or the Pulse crew caught it.

We know what the call was, it is the explanation that everyone is interested in. Initially, called against the horns, then reversed and called against the Aggies as ABC bloviates about everything that is not happening on the field while a 30 yard field advantage takes place with absolutely zero commentary on it or replay. It was a huge penalty and was completely glossed over. Surely, as an official, you can understand.

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BadMoonRisin said:

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Bump - does anyone have any ****ing clue what happened during this play?

Difference was first and 10 from the 8 yard line v. 1st and 10 from the 40?

Still, zero explanation on the TV, just an "eh" let's spot the ball here instead, let's go with that, and they snapped it with no further argument.

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Did you read any of the above 90+ posts?

I haven't seen the play so I can't speak on the accuracy of the call.

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OK.....watch the play, bro. That's what we are discussing. Keep up with the rest of the class.

Show me the penalty. And then show me why it went 15 yards against sip, but then upon conference, 15 yard against A&M.

There were apparently 15-20 cameras, per dabo, but zero shown to justify it.

If it's a penalty, it's a penalty and Im good.

Ag in ATL said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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Bump - does anyone have any ****ing clue what happened during this play?

Difference was first and 10 from the 8 yard line v. 1st and 10 from the 40?

Still, zero explanation on the TV, just an "eh" let's spot the ball here instead, let's go with that, and they snapped it with no further argument.

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Did you read any of the above 90+ posts? The summary was accurate with somewhat iffy explanations. Here's the deal:

By rule, on any change of possession play, which includes kickoffs, punts, field goals, fumbles, and interceptions, there is to be NO CONTACT BELOW THE WAIST by EITHER TEAM. Result is a 15 yard penalty.

I haven't seen the play so I can't speak on the accuracy of the call. The rule is pretty plain and implemented to attempt to reduce lower body injuries. I officiated Texas HS ball for 5 years under NCAA rules. From experience, it's pretty easy to spot and likely still to be a point of emphasis. What I can say is the enforcement was poorly explained and executed. Poor communication on the part of the officials.

Block below the waist is the name of the foul. Obvious on the part of the offense or receiving team. We don't think of defenders or kicking team "blocking" but the point of the foul is contact below the waist, pure and simple.

For those confused about the 30 yard turnaround, taking away 15 yards from them as originally announced and adding 15 yards penalized against us equals 30 yards total.

Officials are graded by each coach every game and the grading is important because of the potential for postseason assignments and even could impact them the following season. If Coach Elko has a problem with the actual call no doubt it will be noted. Surely the execution of the enforcement will be. Regardless of network coverage, we will have our own video to review I'm pretty certain. It gets broken down by position for coaching purposes. Maybe Texags or the Pulse crew caught it.

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Thank you. Perfect explanation of the rules. None of us saw the infraction because ABC chose not to replay it.

We can assume that there was miscommunication between the official who threw the flag and the head ref who initially made the call on the field who announced it against the wrong team. This kind of thing happens from time to time.

As the poster above said, at a minimum this was a case of poor explanation from the officials on the field.

TonyD33 said:

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Ag in ATL said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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Bump - does anyone have any ****ing clue what happened during this play?

Difference was first and 10 from the 8 yard line v. 1st and 10 from the 40?

Still, zero explanation on the TV, just an "eh" let's spot the ball here instead, let's go with that, and they snapped it with no further argument.

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Did you read any of the above 90+ posts? The summary was accurate with somewhat iffy explanations. Here's the deal:

By rule, on any change of possession play, which includes kickoffs, punts, field goals, fumbles, and interceptions, there is to be NO CONTACT BELOW THE WAIST by EITHER TEAM. Result is a 15 yard penalty.

I haven't seen the play so I can't speak on the accuracy of the call. The rule is pretty plain and implemented to attempt to reduce lower body injuries. I officiated Texas HS ball for 5 years under NCAA rules. From experience, it's pretty easy to spot and likely still to be a point of emphasis. What I can say is the enforcement was poorly explained and executed. Poor communication on the part of the officials.

Block below the waist is the name of the foul. Obvious on the part of the offense or receiving team. We don't think of defenders or kicking team "blocking" but the point of the foul is contact below the waist, pure and simple.

For those confused about the 30 yard turnaround, taking away 15 yards from them as originally announced and adding 15 yards penalized against us equals 30 yards total.

Officials are graded by each coach every game and the grading is important because of the potential for postseason assignments and even could impact them the following season. If Coach Elko has a problem with the actual call no doubt it will be noted. Surely the execution of the enforcement will be. Regardless of network coverage, we will have our own video to review I'm pretty certain. It gets broken down by position for coaching purposes. Maybe Texags or the Pulse crew caught it.

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Thank you. Perfect explanation of the rules. None of us saw the infraction because ABC chose not to replay it.

We can assume that there was miscommunication between the official who threw the flag and the head ref who initially made the call on the field who announced it against the wrong team. This kind of thing happens from time to time.

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Im good if it's on replay. I dont recall many calls that were announced against the wrong team.

I've been watching football for a good spell, too.

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You've replied to my last post three times at this point. I don't know if you're drunk and looking for an online fight or what.

ESPN produces these games on the cheap. I suspect their cameras didn't capture the play. That's just my two cents.

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On a punt cameras are focused on the punter and returner. It's harder to pickup what happens in the middle of the 45-50 yd distance. Hell cameras will lost an RPO on a good fake.

Good thing this play was none of those things.

jp95 said:

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Notice it never got re-played on tv.

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It was a really bad broadcast. There were many times I wanted to see a play or a spot again and they never showed it. There's at least two drives that I rewound to watch and the spot was wrong by a full yard, and both cases probably stopped our drives. That alone could've made a difference. They also gave us an extra first down that they did replay, funny that they play the one that went our way and questioned it but the two that should've gone our way and didn't it's like they never happened.

Funny isn't the word I'd use.

I posted last night. Watch sky cam. Recorded from SEC network. Maybe someone can make a clip but YTTV won't let me screen record. Brooks and Kennedy get tangled with 2 horns. Flag comes flying in. Hard to see if Brooks gets tripped or goes low but you see horn feet fly up in the air. Still a BS call to have no explanation or review.

TonyD33 said:

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That penalty can be called on either team. I didn't see it either but the penalty was for someone going low on a kickoff, which neither the kicking nor receiving team can do.

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yeah that makes sense i just wish we'd seen a replay to know if it was legit or not.

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Only two obvious bad non-calls, the non-call PI on the Ags, and the non-call intentional grounding on the sips. Both were egregious and should have been called, but they weren't.

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and, hate to say it, but we got a first down when our guy was a full yard short.

And the beat goes on. I can explain it for you but I can't understand it for you. SMH. Oh right. Zoo gonna zoo.
At least a few of you got it. If they didn't show it on TV how can the fact I heard it on the radio make any difference? Sigh...

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The penalty on the kick was some shady ****, because the referee who threw the flag said it was against the return team and even pointed at them when discussing with the head referee. He then called it on Texas and the next thing you know, they're marching it back the other way and three or four plays later they ****ing scored. The whole thing was horse ****, you NEVER EVER see a call against the kicking team, NEVER.

Now. to the "neutral zone infraction" bull***** What happened to the defense being able to jump over the line and get back before the ball is snapped?? Howell was so far away from that tackle, there is ZERO chance he caused the guy to jump. If you'll notice the o-lineman jumped on purpose, it makes zero sense especially when the defender doesn't make contact and isn't about to kill the QB.

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The things some of yall ***** about are absolutely comical. I assume you're talking the 3rd and 8 on the drive after this odd kickoff penalty. That was 100% the right called and will be called every time. OL are taught that if the guy near you jumps offsides you move. It doesn't have to "cause" you to jump. Just has to be in the vicinity, i.e. the left guard couldn't have flinched in that situation.

That was the backbreaker of the drive and pure stupidity

htxag09 said:

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DGrimesAg92 said:

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The penalty on the kick was some shady ****, because the referee who threw the flag said it was against the return team and even pointed at them when discussing with the head referee. He then called it on Texas and the next thing you know, they're marching it back the other way and three or four plays later they ****ing scored. The whole thing was horse ****, you NEVER EVER see a call against the kicking team, NEVER.

Now. to the "neutral zone infraction" bull***** What happened to the defense being able to jump over the line and get back before the ball is snapped?? Howell was so far away from that tackle, there is ZERO chance he caused the guy to jump. If you'll notice the o-lineman jumped on purpose, it makes zero sense especially when the defender doesn't make contact and isn't about to kill the QB.

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The things some of yall ***** about are absolutely comical. I assume you're talking the 3rd and 8 on the drive after this odd kickoff penalty. That was 100% the right called and will be called every time. OL are taught that if the guy near you jumps offsides you move. It doesn't have to "cause" you to jump. Just has to be in the vicinity, i.e. the left guard couldn't have flinched in that situation.

That was the backbreaker of the drive and pure stupidity

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Sure... only one person mentioned that off-sides and that's easily explained, but as you said the kick-off penalty was "odd"... can you elaborate on that call? How can you execute an illegal chop block as part of a kick-off team?

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Chop Block
ARTICLE 3.
A chop block is a high-low or low-high combination block by any two players against an opponent (not the ball carrier) anywhere on the field, with or without a delay between blocks; the "low" component is at the opponent's thigh or below. (A.R. 9-1-10-I-IV). It is not a foul if the blockers' opponent initiates the contact. (A.R. 9-1-10-V)

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I can't. And neither can you. But you default it to being a bs call. So why can't you explain?

What I can say is it was illegal contact below the waist. Which absolutely can be called on the kicking team. Why? Who knows, maybe a lead guy wanted to blow up a blocker so someone behind him had a clear path. Acting like there is zero reason for the kicking team to initiate contact is also silly.

This is like the personal foul penalty called on us earlier in the year that had everyone up in arms because "espn didn't get it on camera." Then when they showed it and we slapped the opponent it was crickets.