I definitely want an upgrade. The upgrade that I really want, is for Reed to upgrade from Sophomore to Junior like Joe Burrow and Jayden Daniels. Both were garbage their Soph seasons. Both were stellar their Junior seasons.

Absolute Monday morning QB here…
The lights are just too bright for Reed. Great kid, great family.
However, during the season when not much, if ANYTHING, was expected of him, he was playing out of his mind (I give you LSU as an example). Wasn't expected to play that way. Key word here - EXPECTED.
Now that the lights are the brightest, 'sip game and then Miami, he just…..disappears….and disappoints. Can't perform under those kinds of lights - and expectations. Again, talented player, but just can't do it when it's EXPECTED of him.
We need to admit this to ourselves and move on.

absolutely have to. unless they're just going to concede next season.

Elephant Ghost said:

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What happened with that guy from Utah?

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he starts school in January with the rest of the recruiting class.

Elephant Ghost said:

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What happened with that guy from Utah?

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He messed up his knee in the Rose Bowl. Missed his window. I think he's an FBI agent now.

Rewatched the game.

- We def need some QB comp.
- Our o- line was terrible. It had little to do with Reed holding onto the ball.
- I think Klein's offense will be missed next year. Reed missed open TEs, WRs and made bad passes. When that wasn't happening o-line left Reed to fend for himself.
- Dalton Brooks cant tackle unless it is for a sack or TFL lol

The 'Reed' and 'bad passes' combo is a common theme from this season! My gosh, he has one speed and it's rocket speed. I don't understand why he can't understand certain situations where he just needs to float one over to a receiver. But no, instead he throws everything on a rope and a lot go errant.

Also I personally think the game still goes too fast for him. He can't process everything that is needed. Unbelievable guy, and helluva athlete, but not sure he's the right fit.

We're so quick to dump the guy who helped our offense from 112th nationally to top 10 nationally in 2 years.

Who are we going to replace him with that's realistically better?

Think the biggest grab will be Sorsby. Dude runs like a truck, and I've seen him throw some dime deep balls. I still question his accuracy, but he's about 40 lb's on Reed. Rumor is he's going to tech.

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Absolute Monday morning QB here…
The lights are just too bright for Reed. Great kid, great family.
However, during the season when not much, if ANYTHING, was expected of him, he was playing out of his mind (I give you LSU as an example). Wasn't expected to play that way. Key word here - EXPECTED.
Now that the lights are the brightest, 'sip game and then Miami, he just…..disappears….and disappoints. Can't perform under those kinds of lights - and expectations. Again, talented player, but just can't do it when it's EXPECTED of him.
We need to admit this to ourselves and move on.

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Sounds like the definition of the entire football program for the better part of 80 years.

Byrum Brown enters Portal. (South Florida)

romanagg11 said:

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Lagway!

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Risky

He played like **** this year. Could be coaching. Could be mental.

I don't care who we bring in, but there's got to be an open competition for the QB spot. Reed is not good enough to have it just handed to him.

The Russy Pooh said:

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Was a fun season. November collapse was just delayed by 3 weeks.

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Look at the bright side, Elko is clearly shortening the collapse period. By next year, we should be down to just 2 weeks of collapse from 3 which started with S Carolina miracle. At this rate, by 2028 we should be collapseless and get a Natty!!!

Be patient.....cause Elko ain't going anywhere and this doesn't happen overnight unlike most demand. Since Elko Year 1, I had always said that our realistic Natty trajectory is 2027 and beyond. Also helps with BAS and fan insanity.

Again, the major reason we had a better record this year was because we had a vastly easier schedule. The SEC teams we beat had a combined 12-44 SEC record. We went 1-2 against the teams that mattered.

Come Out Roll said:

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Absolute Monday morning QB here…
The lights are just too bright for Reed. Great kid, great family.
However, during the season when not much, if ANYTHING, was expected of him, he was playing out of his mind (I give you LSU as an example). Wasn't expected to play that way. Key word here - EXPECTED.
Now that the lights are the brightest, 'sip game and then Miami, he just…..disappears….and disappoints. Can't perform under those kinds of lights - and expectations. Again, talented player, but just can't do it when it's EXPECTED of him.
We need to admit this to ourselves and move on.

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LSU he had a wtf interception just like Miami. Until he learns how to be accurate all he will see is cover 2. Mizzou exposed his issues with zone Texas just didnt have the turnovers mizzou did.

He cost us two games this year and nearly a third game. He would make an excellent backup QB to bring in to change tempo but not starter material. We need a high caliber QB to come pick up our offense.

But we have a bad history on bringing in QBs to not develop - Kyler, King... who in their right mind would want to come here?

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Let's see what elko does. If he keeps the status quo then we know he is looking for an early retirement. Ive seen enough of reed. He has the yips, he is a headcase now. Forcing him into a pocket passer has regressed his play hugely. I blame klein for this squarely.

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I agree. We have loved supporting Reed all year as our QB #1. We love his attitude, demeanor, and infectious personality.

However, his weaknesses are GLARING. Our coaches should not be relying on "HOPE" that Reed will progress this off-season and learn how to make good quick decision with very good accuracy.

I am definitely not a hater and would prefer Reed was QB #1 all next year with a legit Heisman run.

However, my eyes and gut are telling me different. I do not see him with a huge upside anymore. Kid really struggles throwing basic throws out to the flats. Like really terrible throws. Sorry but I do not believe you can teach drastically improved accuracy at this point in Reeds career.

The only legitimate focus should be in the offensive play calling to leverage his strengths and not force his weaknesses. Reed is not a pocket passer, yet, Klein so clearly wanted him to be. Round peg...square hole.

And Elko absolutely had better sign a legit veteran QB.

dcg4403 said:

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The Russy Pooh said:

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Was a fun season. November collapse was just delayed by 3 weeks.

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Look at the bright side, Elko is clearly shortening the collapse period. By next year, we should be down to just 2 weeks of collapse from 3 which started with S Carolina miracle. At this rate, by 2028 we should be collapseless and get a Natty!!!

Be patient.....cause Elko ain't going anywhere and this doesn't happen overnight unlike most demand. Since Elko Year 1, I had always said that our realistic Natty trajectory is 2027 and beyond. Also helps with BAS and fan insanity.

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What was Indiana's trajectory when they brought in Cignetti?
I'm not saying Elko won't get it done, but with the portal in place, to say it was '27 is crazy.

Texas A&M said:

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dcg4403 said:

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The Russy Pooh said:

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Was a fun season. November collapse was just delayed by 3 weeks.

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Look at the bright side, Elko is clearly shortening the collapse period. By next year, we should be down to just 2 weeks of collapse from 3 which started with S Carolina miracle. At this rate, by 2028 we should be collapseless and get a Natty!!!

Be patient.....cause Elko ain't going anywhere and this doesn't happen overnight unlike most demand. Since Elko Year 1, I had always said that our realistic Natty trajectory is 2027 and beyond. Also helps with BAS and fan insanity.

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What was Indiana's trajectory when they brought in Cignetti?
I'm not saying Elko won't get it done, but with the portal in place, to say it was '27 is crazy.

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And exactly why you and so many others will be very unhappy fans. Unrealistic dreams. I am more than happy with just CFP opportunities for the next 2 years.

Natty or bust? Get ready to keep losing hair.

dcg4403 said:

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Texas A&M said:

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dcg4403 said:

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The Russy Pooh said:

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Was a fun season. November collapse was just delayed by 3 weeks.

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Look at the bright side, Elko is clearly shortening the collapse period. By next year, we should be down to just 2 weeks of collapse from 3 which started with S Carolina miracle. At this rate, by 2028 we should be collapseless and get a Natty!!!

Be patient.....cause Elko ain't going anywhere and this doesn't happen overnight unlike most demand. Since Elko Year 1, I had always said that our realistic Natty trajectory is 2027 and beyond. Also helps with BAS and fan insanity.

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What was Indiana's trajectory when they brought in Cignetti?
I'm not saying Elko won't get it done, but with the portal in place, to say it was '27 is crazy.

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And exactly why you and so many others will be very unhappy fans. Unrealistic dreams. I am more than happy with just CFP opportunities for the next 2 years.

Natty or bust? Get ready to keep losing hair.

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Has Indiana won a national title? Not yet, but they have won a conference title. Why can Indiana do it, but we can't. I guarantee you A&M had a ton more talent waiting for Elko than Cignetti had.

And as far as 'Natty or bust', maybe we can start with scoring a touchdown in a home playoff game.

Texas A&M said:

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dcg4403 said:

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The Russy Pooh said:

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Was a fun season. November collapse was just delayed by 3 weeks.

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Look at the bright side, Elko is clearly shortening the collapse period. By next year, we should be down to just 2 weeks of collapse from 3 which started with S Carolina miracle. At this rate, by 2028 we should be collapseless and get a Natty!!!

Be patient.....cause Elko ain't going anywhere and this doesn't happen overnight unlike most demand. Since Elko Year 1, I had always said that our realistic Natty trajectory is 2027 and beyond. Also helps with BAS and fan insanity.

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What was Indiana's trajectory when they brought in Cignetti?
I'm not saying Elko won't get it done, but with the portal in place, to say it was '27 is crazy.

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Lets be fair also there were no expectations at Indiana and their schedule the last two years is a dam joke. Yes they won the big ten but I would expect if we were in the big ten we'd been in the playoffs last year as well. Yes it looked like our schedule was bad but do you really believe if USCe and Florida were put in that crap conference they wouldnt have won 8-10 games.

Ags had zero offensive TDs in the last 2 biggest games at Kyle with Reed starting (t.u. and Miami).

Unacceptable.

As I said earlier I am upset with Reed but that also falls on Klein who had a foot out the door. They knew what Reed's weaknesses were and he took gigantic strides from the previous season. I do see a great work ethic in the kid and I think he will get it done.

Reed has it and will be our QB next year.

phatty26 said:

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Texas A&M said:

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dcg4403 said:

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The Russy Pooh said:

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Was a fun season. November collapse was just delayed by 3 weeks.

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Look at the bright side, Elko is clearly shortening the collapse period. By next year, we should be down to just 2 weeks of collapse from 3 which started with S Carolina miracle. At this rate, by 2028 we should be collapseless and get a Natty!!!

Be patient.....cause Elko ain't going anywhere and this doesn't happen overnight unlike most demand. Since Elko Year 1, I had always said that our realistic Natty trajectory is 2027 and beyond. Also helps with BAS and fan insanity.

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What was Indiana's trajectory when they brought in Cignetti?
I'm not saying Elko won't get it done, but with the portal in place, to say it was '27 is crazy.

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Lets be fair also there were no expectations at Indiana and their schedule the last two years is a dam joke. Yes they won the big ten but I would expect if we were in the big ten we'd been in the playoffs last year as well. Yes it looked like our schedule was bad but do you really believe if USCe and Florida were put in that crap conference they wouldnt have won 8-10 games.

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Our schedule was just as bad. And they beat Ohio State in the conference title game. We lost 2 of our 3 'tough' games.

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Elko doesn't have the cajones to do it.

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How do you know, he had the cajones to bench Weigman at half of LSU -- Jimbo would not have done that

DimebagsGhost said:

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TdoubleH said:

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Elko doesn't have the cajones to do it.

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How do you know, he had the cajones to bench Weigman at half of LSU -- Jimbo would not have done that

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He indeed did.

The problem is that this year, he didn't really have anyone to hand it off to as far as a back up quarterback. All of them were not nearly as close to Marcel in terms of what they would provide.

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As I said earlier I am upset with Reed but that also falls on Klein who had a foot out the door. They knew what Reed's weaknesses were and he took gigantic strides from the previous season. I do see a great work ethic in the kid and I think he will get it done.

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It is not revealed by his stats that MR made "gigantic strides". Minimal stride at best.

He still has the yips, happy feet, throws off balance off his back foot, can't process more than first read, sometimes a second, hesitates, throws erratic passes over the head of receivers, or wildly off target to the point receivers momentum causes them to fall down after catches (see Bussey and Owens). Still has only one speed, a fastball.

His minimal production improvements were:
1. Passing Percentage from 61.3% to 62.1%, or 0.8%.
2. Average yards per completion from 7.8 yards to 8.4 yards, or 0.6 yards.
3. He threw a TD for every 16 pass attempts last year, and threw a TD for every 15.08 pass attempts this year, or 0.92 attempts.
4. Passer rating of 142.1 last year and 148.2 this year, or 6.1 rating points.

His production declines were:
1. His INT per pass attempt fell from 1 INT per 40 attempts to 1 INT per 31.42 attempts, or 8.58 attempts.

His rushing Yards per attempt remained the same at 4.7 yards per rush attempt. He scored 1 less TD rushing this year on 12 fewer rushing attempts.

One could easily equate his minimal passing improvements to the improved talent at WR position, which enhanced catch rate and YAC. To log "gigantic strides" would take better fundamental QB play to include mental processing and throwing mechanics, which has mostly remained the same over his first 3 years in the program. He essentially is what he is.

gwoodtamu said:

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Reed ain't it.

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What happened to all the hype about Reed deserving the Heisman? My how things can change with a couple of losses.

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phatty26 said:

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As I said earlier I am upset with Reed but that also falls on Klein who had a foot out the door. They knew what Reed's weaknesses were and he took gigantic strides from the previous season. I do see a great work ethic in the kid and I think he will get it done.

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It is not revealed by his stats that MR made "gigantic strides". Minimal stride at best.

He still has the yips, happy feet, throws off balance off his back foot, can't process more than first read, sometimes a second, hesitates, throws erratic passes over the head of receivers, or wildly off target to the point receivers momentum causes them to fall down after catches (see Bussey and Owens). Still has only one speed, a fastball.

His minimal production improvements were:
1. Passing Percentage from 61.3% to 62.1%, or 0.8%.
2. Average yards per completion from 7.8 yards to 8.4 yards, or 0.6 yards.
3. He threw a TD for every 16 pass attempts last year, and threw a TD for every 15.08 pass attempts this year, or 0.92 attempts.
4. Passer rating of 142.1 last year and 148.2 this year, or 6.1 rating points.

His production declines were:
1. His INT per pass attempt fell from 1 INT per 40 attempts to 1 INT per 31.42 attempts, or 8.58 attempts.

His rushing Yards per attempt remained the same at 4.7 yards per rush attempt. He scored 1 less TD rushing this year on 12 fewer rushing attempts.

One could easily equate his minimal passing improvements to the improved talent at WR position, which enhanced catch rate and YAC. To log "gigantic strides" would take better fundamental QB play to include mental processing and throwing mechanics, which has mostly remained the same over his first 3 years in the program. He essentially is what he is.

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Can't process more than first read? Simply not true. Plenty of instances this year where he went through full progressions with success. What you are seeing (and failing to process.. lol.. fitting) is that he generated some bad tendencies as the season wore on when under pressure. At the close of the season, he was very ancy at the first sign of pressure, and the OL.. especially the right side, did him no favors.

He also had MANY MANY instances where he threw beautiful balls to receivers in stride and on target, including an extremely difficult deep ball to Craver in a cross wind against Miami. But you derps only see what you want to see and demand perfection.

And while he chooses the fastball a lot, maybe too much, he absolutely does throw multiple speeds. He had one against Miami that he had to loft over a defender and try to land in the bread basket and barely missed. Lofting the ball with high wind leads to the wind directing the ball more than you would like.

Just like the majority of the board, you operate from a position of emotional recency bias. Reed has plenty to fix. You accurately diagnosed the happy feet, footwork mechanics, and off balance lower structure.

And even if we only get the same improvement from 25 to 26 that we got from 24 to 25, he would still be better than the majority of QB's in the country.. flaws and all.

How people like you can't understand that the most development (especially when arm throwing mechanics are not an issue) comes from playing and experiencing a variety of defenses and opposing gameplans shows even further your devotion to emotional temper tantrums.

I said first read, and sometimes second. He does not see many open receivers that are not first or second read.

My analysis was macro. You argued micro. I notice you did not argue with production. He essentially is what he has always been regarding production. He just had more talented WR this year. That accounts for the minimal production increases.

For his MANY MANY instances, he had MANY MANY MANY MANY MORE instances of throwing a ball nowhere near anyone.

redjalapeno-87 said:

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I said first read, and sometimes second. He does not see many open receivers that are not first or second read.

My analysis was macro. You argued micro. I notice you did not argue with production. He essentially is what he has always been regarding production. He just had more talented WR this year. That accounts for the minimal production increases.

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You see only what you want to see. There are plenty of positives to take away and no reason to think he can't be stronger next year. I'm more worried about OL and power running game than I am about Reed.

TheDecadeSapling said:

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For his MANY MANY instances, he had MANY MANY MANY MANY MORE instances of throwing a ball nowhere near anyone.

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Considering his completion ratio was 60%, that's just not true. Sorry.