Reed didn't play well, but people laying the losses on him don't watch football. But going back, this forum has wanted a new quarterback every year since 2013. At some point, it isn't the quarterback. This year, OL is trash at run blocking and suspect at best at pass protection. Running backs can't break a tackle. Play calling is suspect as well. With all of that, it falls to Reed, who isn't doing himself any favors. We need to buy an offensive line, and a coach that knows how to run one. That will help the backs, but we could probably use at least one of those as well.
At some point, it isn't the quarterback
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Meh. Pass pro was fine. Run blocking was okay. Happy feet and lack of accuracy were the killers down the stretch.
Run blocking was ok? We ran for 89 yards. Pass protection was good? They were only rushing 3 or 4..... good lord.
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SteveA said:
Run blocking was ok? We ran for 89 yards. Pass protection was good? They were only rushing 3 or 4..... good lord.
He had enough time to throw to wide open receivers most of the game. Miami has a very good DL. Idk what to tell you. At least a few of those sacks were on Marcel for being indecisive.
cannot buy it
Beck was bad too
but he did not turn the ball over
and as a result...made A&M go on long drives
Beck was bad too
but he did not turn the ball over
and as a result...made A&M go on long drives
People who 'watch football' should know that there is a direct correlation between the perceived OL effectiveness & the QB. Great QB's make average OL's look good by making quick decisions and being accurate with the ball. Mediocre QB's make good OL's look bad when the hold the ball too long, are indecisive and struggle with accuracy.
Watch the film guys wide open all game he missed them repeatedly, First InT he air mailed a wide open #3. After our d caused a t/o he missed a wide open #7. So yes he did cause us to lose any decent qb play we win by 14.
Had time to throw, but when you don't have to stack the box to counter a decent run game, you can drop 7 or 8 in coverage. I'm not saying Reed played well, but it's not super hard to defend when you aren't worried about us running the ball.
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SteveA said:
Had time to throw, but when you don't have to stack the box to counter a decent run game, you can drop 7 or 8 in coverage. I'm not saying Reed played well, but it's not super hard to defend when you aren't worried about us running the ball.
No doubt makes it harder. The guys were open though. Idk how you explain missing open throws.
All I'm saying is Marcel is a bigger problem than OL, full stop.
This. People are way undervaluing the Miami d-line. It is legit. They knew that the game came down to stopping our running game and forcing Reed to be on time and target in the passing game. If Reed had done that we win and probably by a couple of touchdowns. Even without Reed being accurate if he hadn't turned the ball over 3 times we probably win. And even with the turnovers if he had not thrown the last pick we had a chance to go to OT.
So yes it was the QB. The o-line while not stellar gave him enough time. End of story.
So yes it was the QB. The o-line while not stellar gave him enough time. End of story.
You may not be wrong, but he looked way better in games where we are able to run. Chicken or Egg?
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This. People are way undervaluing the Miami d-line. It is legit.
What about tu? Reed was the leading rusher at 71 yards. We haven't been able to run much all year.
Second worst completion rating in the SEC helps define what to expect out of Marcel. That is a full season of work, which followed a half-season from last year. Think we know what he is, which is likely not good enough to qb this team where we want it to be.
There are a number of issues across the team and from the sideline, no doubt, and Saturday can't be pinned on him alone, but the past three games are a microcosm of the results you get with him: Can be really good, but inconsistency kills.
There are a number of issues across the team and from the sideline, no doubt, and Saturday can't be pinned on him alone, but the past three games are a microcosm of the results you get with him: Can be really good, but inconsistency kills.
What about the tu game? They ran the same scheme that Miami did. Reed ran the ball well enough but Texas DL is not Miami's and look we scored 10 more points. They dared Reed to beat them through the air against a zone. The open receivers were there but Reed failed to hit them reliably.
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cannot buy it
Beck was bad too
but he did not turn the ball over
and as a result...made A&M go on long drives
He didn't turn the ball over because his coaches realized the conditions were not conducive to throwing accurately and committed to pounding the rock and creatively getting the ball in their best player's hands. And it only worked in the 4th quarter.
We on the other hand, decided that our QB being pressured and throwing into a side wind was the best strategy. No creativity. Just the same plays we put on film all year that Miami prepped two weeks for.
John Fisher Pessimist said:
Meh. Pass pro was fine. Run blocking was okay..
89 yard rushing 27 of that was Reed
John Fisher Pessimist said:SteveA said:
Had time to throw, but when you don't have to stack the box to counter a decent run game, you can drop 7 or 8 in coverage. I'm not saying Reed played well, but it's not super hard to defend when you aren't worried about us running the ball.
No doubt makes it harder. The guys were open though. Idk how you explain missing open throws.
All I'm saying is Marcel is a bigger problem than OL, full stop.
Reed was not good. But the goalposts were literally swaying all game. Miami kicker was putting it dead middle and missing right. The crosswind was a problem and it affected passing for both teams immensely. Hell, one of Reed's best throws was an out route just outside the hash that the wind pushed almost to the sideline. Bethel Roman made a hell of a play to track it down.
SteveA said:
Reed didn't play well, but people laying the losses on him don't watch football. But going back, this forum has wanted a new quarterback every year since 2013. At some point, it isn't the quarterback. This year, OL is trash at run blocking and suspect at best at pass protection. Running backs can't break a tackle. Play calling is suspect as well. With all of that, it falls to Reed, who isn't doing himself any favors. We need to buy an offensive line, and a coach that knows how to run one. That will help the backs, but we could probably use at least one of those as well.
So what you're saying is we have a lot of problems. That is my concern. Yes we made it to the playoffs, but so did Tulane and JMU. I would feel better if almost everyone was coming back and would be a year older and more developed. We need to upgrade at almost every position while losing a lot. I doubt Elko will be able to make all the necessary upgrades. Our schedule will be much more difficult next year. This bunch would not cut it with that schedule. Major upgrades are needed.
Reed was bad no question. But if your QB is having an off day you need to be able to run the ball so he doesn't have to carry the game. We couldn't run. Miami could.
The offensive line played pretty good most of the season. They did struggle down the stretch against some high level defensive lines. When you face good teams they are going to neutralize your strengths and force you to counter and beat them where you are weak.
Marcel has been great on play action all year when the offense has balance and we were running the ball well. But when forced to operate from the pocket and make accurate throws he couldn't make the plays. He's been wildly inaccurate even on some check downs and easy passes. Throwing in the middle of the field has been dreadful, so many turnovers where the ball sailed or was behind and picked off.
Quarterback play is a huge question mark at this point moving forward into next season. If Marcel is the starter going into next year then we need to have a legitimate backup that is ready to play. I think Brady Hart and the true freshman coming in are talented guys that could be future stars but will they be ready next year?
Marcel has been great on play action all year when the offense has balance and we were running the ball well. But when forced to operate from the pocket and make accurate throws he couldn't make the plays. He's been wildly inaccurate even on some check downs and easy passes. Throwing in the middle of the field has been dreadful, so many turnovers where the ball sailed or was behind and picked off.
Quarterback play is a huge question mark at this point moving forward into next season. If Marcel is the starter going into next year then we need to have a legitimate backup that is ready to play. I think Brady Hart and the true freshman coming in are talented guys that could be future stars but will they be ready next year?
Not sure what games you've been watching, but there are GLARING red flags with Reed.
*Holds the ball too long and won't turn it loose unless the target is wide open.
*Happy feet.
*Hesitates when scrambling.
*Locks on primary receivers and has missed seeing multiple wide-open receivers on the other side of the field.
*Scared to throw the 50/50 ball.
*Does not see the field well around receivers, hence the 4 INT's at the end of the season.
*Very inaccurate on balls outside 20 yards.
Our OL did a fine job, they can't hold elite defenders off for more than 4-5 seconds at a time. If Reed stays QB1, they MUST get the ball out of his hands quicker.
*Holds the ball too long and won't turn it loose unless the target is wide open.
*Happy feet.
*Hesitates when scrambling.
*Locks on primary receivers and has missed seeing multiple wide-open receivers on the other side of the field.
*Scared to throw the 50/50 ball.
*Does not see the field well around receivers, hence the 4 INT's at the end of the season.
*Very inaccurate on balls outside 20 yards.
Our OL did a fine job, they can't hold elite defenders off for more than 4-5 seconds at a time. If Reed stays QB1, they MUST get the ball out of his hands quicker.
Our OL only played better than pretty good for about half of the games starting with halftime at ND. We also lost Moss around that time, which hurt our offense in all areas.
If I had to pin things on a single individual, I think it would be Klein. I compare him to Kellen Moore at Dallas. He has a pretty unique approach to the scheme, and was so locked in on the vision of what it could be that he didn't adjust to account for defenses solving the equation in the middle of the year. We never adjusted to what defenses did to slow us down. Our only strat was to try to get Reed in rhythm with some easy throws so he could get hot
If I had to pin things on a single individual, I think it would be Klein. I compare him to Kellen Moore at Dallas. He has a pretty unique approach to the scheme, and was so locked in on the vision of what it could be that he didn't adjust to account for defenses solving the equation in the middle of the year. We never adjusted to what defenses did to slow us down. Our only strat was to try to get Reed in rhythm with some easy throws so he could get hot
This is the best receiving group I ever remember seeing at A&M. People were wide open all game. Reed just missed the throws or didn't see/look at them.
Heineken-Ashi said:John Fisher Pessimist said:SteveA said:
Had time to throw, but when you don't have to stack the box to counter a decent run game, you can drop 7 or 8 in coverage. I'm not saying Reed played well, but it's not super hard to defend when you aren't worried about us running the ball.
No doubt makes it harder. The guys were open though. Idk how you explain missing open throws.
All I'm saying is Marcel is a bigger problem than OL, full stop.
Reed was not good. But the goalposts were literally swaying all game. Miami kicker was putting it dead middle and missing right. The crosswind was a problem and it affected passing for both teams immensely. Hell, one of Reed's best throws was an out route just outside the hash that the wind pushed almost to the sideline. Bethel Roman made a hell of a play to track it down.
Wind won't alter a 10yd throw that much.
Long balls, sure. But he was missing the short ones so bad the targets barely got a hand on them.
Happy feet, off balance, shoulders F'd, and trying to zing 90 mph fastballs….way off target.
Total bull*****
We lost to an equally bad team. Hope that helps with the analysis when you see your therapists…
A good OL can hide an average QB. A great QB can hide an average QB. Unfortunately we seemed to be average in both areas.
What?!? Other than USC where we were in pass happy catch up mode have averaged well over 200+ rushing yards / game!!!!!!!
It's the oldest formula in football, establish the run, then pass, establish the run and your QB looks ALOT better.
Last 3 games excluding Samford we haven't run the ball well enough at all (cow it was OK but not good enough), Reed didn't play great vs Miami but it was the OL and lack of run game why we lost the game.
It's the oldest formula in football, establish the run, then pass, establish the run and your QB looks ALOT better.
Last 3 games excluding Samford we haven't run the ball well enough at all (cow it was OK but not good enough), Reed didn't play great vs Miami but it was the OL and lack of run game why we lost the game.
htxag09 said:
This is the best receiving group I ever remember seeing at A&M. People were wide open all game. Reed just missed the throws or didn't see/look at them.
In the 1st half, he threw several bad passes. In the second half, he didn't see his receivers or make the right read initially. In the first half, he had plenty of time on most of his drop backs. In the second, about 65% were good pockets with time. Miami blitzed more in the second half. Zuhn was only beaten once for a sack and it wasn't Bain. Bain was lining up on both sides of the line.
John Fisher Pessimist said:
Meh. Pass pro was fine. Run blocking was okay. Happy feet and lack of accuracy were the killers down the stretch.
lol wut? The o line was atrocious Saturday. How many times was reed sacked and how many times did the pocket collapse before he could even make a check down read? Run blocking was terrible as well. Reed accounted for the majority of our rush yards
greg.w.h said:
We lost to an equally bad team. Hope that helps with the analysis when you see your therapists…
An equally mediocre team. A little credit, please.
AggieBB said:John Fisher Pessimist said:
Meh. Pass pro was fine. Run blocking was okay. Happy feet and lack of accuracy were the killers down the stretch.
lol wut? The o line was atrocious Saturday. How many times was reed sacked and how many times did the pocket collapse before he could even make a check down read? Run blocking was terrible as well. Reed accounted for the majority of our rush yards
It snowballed in the 2nd half, once Miami realized Reed wasn't going to hit the broadside of a barn.
After that, they pinned their ears back and came flying.
Complete more of the easy balls, and it plays out different.
This was mostly Reed. Missed open guys. 3 turnovers that were his fault (even if RB went wrong way on the fumble, he can easily eat that and play another down).
You lose turnover battle 3-1 in evenly matched game and you lose 90 percent of time.
You lose turnover battle 3-1 in evenly matched game and you lose 90 percent of time.
Three turnovers, all by Marcel.
Burnsey said:
Three turnovers, all by Marcel.
He had 8 thru his last 3 games (skipping Samford)
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