northeastag said:

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Pretty sure Big 12 has more than one playoff win in the CFP era.

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Nope

Bests system

16 teams
Top 8 teams do a timeslot bid.
So rank 1 gets 1st pick and so on till Tean 8v9 is whatever the last pick is.
1vs 16 2v15 etc.
Highest ranked team maintains homefield advantage
Until Semifinals then do the bowl location as currently happening.

Benefit the winners and gets rid of the autobids for G5 entirely by expanding to 16 teams.
If a team cant be 11-1 or 10-2 and top 16 they dont deserve the playoffs.

EngrAg14 said:

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Bests system

16 teams
Top 8 teams do a timeslot bid.
So rank 1 gets 1st pick and so on till Tean 8v9 is whatever the last pick is.
1vs 16 2v15 etc.
Highest ranked team maintains homefield advantage
Until Semifinals then do the bowl location as currently happening.

Benefit the winners and gets rid of the autobids for G5 entirely by expanding to 16 teams.
If a team cant be 11-1 or 10-2 and top 16 they dont deserve the playoffs.

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The auto G5 bid is an anti lawsuit caveat that ain't going away, for a while.

When I was researching the last maroon team to win a national championship (which I think is 1960 Minnesota), I ran across this video about the 1960 season and the poll voting:



Just glad they went away from the old human poll system to declare a champion off the field

I would like to see the size of the conferences reduced. Each conference limited to 14 teams, every team plays everyone in their conference, no cream puff OOC games, do away with the bye week to make things fit a 13 game schedule.

No conference championship games. No byes in the playoff. The top 4 teams get their reward by getting to play the bottom 4 teams. And they need to start the playoffs the week after the end of the season. Teams waiting 20 to 25 days after their end of the regular season before playing the first playoff game is too long of a layoff.

Well, this just goes to show those people ranting and raving about the best 12 teams and the Blue Bloods being in the playoffs doesn't really help either.

You can have them in the playoffs and still get games like this … sometimes it's just not your game. It's not your day. Just let it play out as a playoff system. Trying to engineer this and fixing it is what took so long to get us to a playoff system. The powers that they were always trying to engineer the same teams into the top spots.

For those expecting wonderful exciting games every single time will never get it. It never happens in any sport. The elitists and the white tower people need to just enjoy college football for what it is. Sometimes it's great, sometimes it's messy and sometimes it's ugly.

one safe place said:

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I would like to see the size of the conferences reduced. Each conference limited to 14 teams, every team plays everyone in their conference, no cream puff OOC games, do away with the bye week to make things fit a 13 game schedule.

No conference championship games. No byes in the playoff. The top 4 teams get their reward by getting to play the bottom 4 teams. And they need to start the playoffs the week after the end of the season. Teams waiting 20 to 25 days after their end of the regular season before playing the first playoff game is too long of a layoff.

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No bye week is borderline insane.

1-7 the last two years…..but how many teams with "bye weeks" were actually favored? Oh st and Georgia were this year so that's a split this year. Georgia was -6.5 on a neutral site so it's not like that was a massive upset. Oregon was favored. Last year Arizona st and Boise were bye teams but underdogs. So minimum it's a split if you're looking at actually upsets. I'd say just at record sure it seems like the bye team is at a disadvantage but when you dig deeper, at minimum it's a toss up. I don't know the other two games last year and who was favored, but it very well could be the favored teams are still winning these games more often than not.

zephyr88 said:

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#2 with the week 1 bye goes down without much of a fight.

#4 with the week 1 bye goes down and got shut dafuq out.

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#4 gpi going down had way more to do with #4 shouldn't have been #4 than it did the bye

A. G. Pennypacker said:

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He Who Shall Be Unnamed said:

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Looks like first round byes are going to go 0-5 (edit: 0-6) in the expanded playoff era. And the day is young. Additionally, the Big 12 will be held to a single win since the beginning of the CFP, if I recall. Add this to the lopsided games against JMU and Tulane, and the fact that there are easily 20 teams that would have given Oregon (who really doesn't look very good either) or Ole Miss a better game in those two first round games. There is no way one could argue that the top 12 teams in the nation made it to the CFP this year.

It's time to put to rest the notion that there are 4 conferences, and that conference champions deserve automatic bids. There aren't four conferences, despite what the Big and SEC haters will say in response to the non-CFP bowl records (those bowls are meaningless - just look at how many potential NFL draft picks opt out when their teams play in one). If you want to play in the CFP after a weak conference schedule, schedule some real out-of-conference games.

Rant over, I doubt anything will change.

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System was designed to give one of the non-P4 teams a shot, but the ACC f'd up and couldn't put forth a worthy champion so this year 2 got in. There may be a non P4 team once a decade or less that really deserves a shot, but allowing one in every year is over compensating.

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With nil and the portal, the days of a Boise or Cincy actually having a team that can win a game are over

The g5 is essentially the p4 farm system now

NyAggie said:

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A. G. Pennypacker said:

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He Who Shall Be Unnamed said:

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Looks like first round byes are going to go 0-5 (edit: 0-6) in the expanded playoff era. And the day is young. Additionally, the Big 12 will be held to a single win since the beginning of the CFP, if I recall. Add this to the lopsided games against JMU and Tulane, and the fact that there are easily 20 teams that would have given Oregon (who really doesn't look very good either) or Ole Miss a better game in those two first round games. There is no way one could argue that the top 12 teams in the nation made it to the CFP this year.

It's time to put to rest the notion that there are 4 conferences, and that conference champions deserve automatic bids. There aren't four conferences, despite what the Big and SEC haters will say in response to the non-CFP bowl records (those bowls are meaningless - just look at how many potential NFL draft picks opt out when their teams play in one). If you want to play in the CFP after a weak conference schedule, schedule some real out-of-conference games.

Rant over, I doubt anything will change.

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System was designed to give one of the non-P4 teams a shot, but the ACC f'd up and couldn't put forth a worthy champion so this year 2 got in. There may be a non P4 team once a decade or less that really deserves a shot, but allowing one in every year is over compensating.

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With nil and the portal, the days of a Boise or Cincy actually having a team that can win a game are over

The g5 is essentially the p4 farm system now

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I agree the G5 is a farm system now. How long before the big boys start contributing to these programs to install similar offensive and defensive schemes to better evaluate players.

jt16 said:

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northeastag said:

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Pretty sure Big 12 has more than one playoff win in the CFP era.

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Nope

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Correct, the sole win is TCU over Michigan in the 2022 semifinal. They of course went on to get destroyed by Georgia.

t.u. made the playoffs their last year in the Big 12 (2023) but lost to Washington. When they won a couple games last year, they'd already moved to the SEC.

OU is still winless across both conferences at 0-5.

There was never a legitimate reason for expansion. It's all based on greed & power.

Give me Oregon vs Georgia last year and Indiana vs Georgia this year over any playoff games the past two years. All other playoff teams screwed the pooch one way or another and don't deserve a second chance at a "story book ending".

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rootube said:

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He Who Shall Be Unnamed said:

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Looks like first round byes are going to go 0-5 (edit: 0-6) in the expanded playoff era. And the day is young. Additionally, the Big 12 will be held to a single win since the beginning of the CFP, if I recall. Add this to the lopsided games against JMU and Tulane, and the fact that there are easily 20 teams that would have given Oregon (who really doesn't look very good either) or Ole Miss a better game in those two first round games. There is no way one could argue that the top 12 teams in the nation made it to the CFP this year.

It's time to put to rest the notion that there are 4 conferences, and that conference champions deserve automatic bids. There aren't four conferences, despite what the Big and SEC haters will say in response to the non-CFP bowl records (those bowls are meaningless - just look at how many potential NFL draft picks opt out when their teams play in one). If you want to play in the CFP after a weak conference schedule, schedule some real out-of-conference games.

Rant over, I doubt anything will change.

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None of it is a debacle. If they had 16 or 24 teams it would be fine.

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Way too many teams. All that does is add more teams that don't belong.

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16 teams is NOT too many. That's just stupid. 16 is not only the right number, it is needed to solve the real problem.

The problem is obvious: the time between games for those receiving a bye. For the 2 years of the 12 team playoff, the home team in the first round (better seed) is 6-2. Both losses (A&M and OU this year) were extremely close games, so this could be 8-0 but it was pretty much never going to be 5-3. Anyway, the combined record of those winning teams (both years -- pre-playoff game) was 86-12. Only 2 teams had 10 wins and the rest had 11. In other words, the better seed/home team was .878 in the regular season and .750 in the first round.

Meanwhile, the 4 "bye" teams were a combined 97-8 in games prior to their playoff game (.924) and went 1-7 in the playoffs (.125).

The outside factor is the time off. It is consistent across both years. You can find matchup anomalies in both sets of games to the point of no significance either way.

AGDAD14 said:

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There was never a legitimate reason for expansion. It's all based on greed & power.

Give me Oregon vs Georgia last year and Indiana vs Georgia this year over any playoff games the past two years. All other playoff teams screwed the pooch one way or another and don't deserve a second chance at a "story book ending".

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You're assuming this year's Georgia wouldve been chosen over OSU? Or Ole miss, Oregon, etc? Why would Georgia be your choice amongst the rest? That's the whole point of the playoffs. Some teams were previously given the top spots by default because of their name and blue chip status alone. They were given the benefit of the doubt regardless of if they earned it or not. No-one else had a chance if records were comparable.

The playoffs are doing exactly what they're supposed to do by eliminating the teams that would automatically be chosen to play in the championship who may not actually be one of the best two teams in the end. Winning and losing on the field to get to the finals is infinitely better than not being included because of someone decided so, or a computer is in control of the process. Im not sure how you could argue against this, even if the initial process is horribly flawed.

So no, you're wrong. There was absolutely a legitimate reason for expansion, and even though the methods are bull**** and ridiculous, it is at least doing what it is supposed to do by cutting the teams who were previously selected only because of their name, regardless of if they had proven that they belong or not. The process needs to be cleaned up badly, but at least at the end of the day the teams are allowed to earn their way to the top, or fall on their face.

Plus it's weird that you chose Georgia as your example for this year. You should at least pick a team for your scenario that didn't lose in the quarterfinals. You also miss that the Georgia vs ole miss game was more entertaining than many previous championship games.

The following teams screwed the pooch…

Oregon and OSU both lost to Indiana
Ole Miss lost to Georgia
TT at least won their conference but lost to ASU.

Georgia won their conference and beat the only team they lost to (a top ten team). If Alabama had beaten Georgia twice, then it would have been TT vs Indiana (because Bama screwed the pooch by losing to FSU and OU).

It's pretty straight forward. It has been 99% of the time over the last 40 plus years. But I definitely seem to be in the minority for disliking second chance "story book endings".

AGDAD14 said:

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The following teams screwed the pooch…

Oregon and OSU both lost to Indiana
Ole Miss lost to Georgia
TT at least won their conference but lost to ASU.

Georgia won their conference and beat the only team they lost to (a top ten team). If Alabama had beaten Georgia twice, then it would have been TT vs Indiana (because Bama screwed the pooch by losing to FSU and OU).

It's pretty straight forward. It has been 99% of the time over the last 40 plus years. But I definitely seem to be in the minority for disliking second chance "story book endings".

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Ok. So let's say that Tech didn't lose to ASU. They're clearly an inferior team to pretty much everyone else you listed. But you'd put them as one of the top 2 teams in the country to play for the championship...?

What about if 3 teams are undefeated at the end of the day? Or FSU a few years back? Or literally every season with notre dame's weak ass schedule? They get in pretty much by default, never proving it on the field until they get blown out when playing against a team with a pulse. So many instances where this is needed.

I understand your rationale, I just don't agree that it's as clear cut as you believe it to be. Or that it would apply to the current structure of college football. There are just too many variables that make arbitrarily deciding on the final 2 almost impossible to make "fair." And based on the results on the field we have seen thus far, where so many teams who wouldve been automatically selected to be in the championship game have already lost, it isn't exactly falling in line with that reasoning.

northeastag said:

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Pretty sure Big 12 has more than one playoff win in the CFP era.

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TCU and who else?

It is pretty clear to me that there is an unspoken agreement among the committee is to give as many P4 conference champs a bye as possible. There was never any talking points about true SOS for Tech and we learned they are still using an archaic SOS based on opponents record - Kennesaw State was considered a better win than LSU in Death Valley at night because their final records. And don't get me started on Sankeys incompetence in allowing the SOS for the committee to not use any of the modern analytics that had us higher than all 3 one loss teams above us.

Ultimately , the committee makeup which includes equal representation for the minor P4 / G5 schools is always going to result in a Tech getting a bye based in record alone without a deep dive into SOS

Eventually I think we move to a 25 team playoff and lots of byes. Let the teams above 12 or 16 battle it out to get a chance.

Yes, injuries likely could become an issue along with wear and tear but if you don't like it then play better teams.

Why 25? It has been established as our ranking system for so long that it is accepted and minimally griped about since if youre on the edge of rankings you don't have many people listening anyway. More importantly, seeing the top 25 teams actually play each other will generally help to improve rankings for following years instead of being based solely on media hype for traditional blue bloods

Does the No. 1 team sit around and wait for the winner of a 24-team bracket?

tk for tu juan said:

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Does the No. 1 team sit around and wait for the winner of a 24-team bracket?

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Theres an almost month long break for bye teams so it isn't like they arent already sitting around

Go to 16, no byes and no auto-bids; top 16 teams based on computers. Ditch the conference championship games and give everyone a week off before games start. That probably makes way too much sense for them to ever consider it.

Go to 16, eliminate the conference championship week and make that an off week for all, play at home until the natty.

Screw the bowls. They already decimated it.

The Collective said:

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Go to 16, eliminate the conference championship week and make that an off week for all, play at home until the natty.

Screw the bowls. They already decimated it.

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Likely will need to have an NIT version of CFP for the 16 teams after top 16 with a large payout to incentivize teams / players playing instead of opting out. In the end, I see the playoff expanding beyond top 16 in some manner unless the NCAA falls apart due to NIL stratification of the competition and in that case who knows what the hell would happen to college football

Tceh wore out their media pass while being exposed as the fraud they were. Their schedule next year is even worse it's a hot pile of feces. They will be no worse than 11-1 prolly 12/0 unfortunately.

The current 12-team format is awesome. The "solution" is easier than people think. Instead of giving autobids to the five highest ranked conference champs, just guarantee that the highest ranked G5 school gets in. After that, just take the highest ranked teams. This year, that would've given us Notre Dame vs. Ole Miss in round 1 and put Tulane against Oregon.

Get rid of worthless Conference Championship games and expand the playoffs to more teams, with no first round byes. This also helps eliminate issues of teams like ND who opted out and also fewer players will opt out of worthless bowl games if they have a shot at the CFP!

Need evidence that conference champ games are a joke?! Ohio state 2024, Ole Miss 2025, Miami 2025. None of these teams made their conference championship game, but Ohio state won it all, Ole Miss is the only SEC team left in the college football playoff, and Miami is only ACC team to make the playoff this season. Get rid of those worthless conference champ games and expand the playoffs! It's a simple solution that could not be more evident at this time!

In my mind, conference championship games are even more pointless when there are no divisions. If you're just using tie-breakers to pick the two teams that play in the CCG, use them to pick the champion and move on.

cords12 said:

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Get rid of worthless Conference Championship games and expand the playoffs to more teams, with no first round byes. This also helps eliminate issues of teams like ND who opted out and also fewer players will opt out of worthless bowl games if they have a shot at the CFP!

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But not coaches.

TAMUallen said:

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tk for tu juan said:

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Does the No. 1 team sit around and wait for the winner of a 24-team bracket?

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Theres an almost month long break for bye teams so it isn't like they arent already sitting around

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Which is a huge problem that everyone knows needs to be addressed and improved. This means limiting or getting rid of byes, not adding more.

If the committee would stick with the set criteria for their rankings, they could have avoided some repeat games. ie Tulane vs. Ole Miss. & Ole Miss vs GA. . Insert Tulane vs. TAMU, TAMU vs. GA . New and interesting content equal more eyeballs in my opinion.