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TX AG 88 said:

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. I like 16. The bye isn't helping these teams anyways.


The 16 team proposal includes byes

How would that work?

16 is 2^4 so there should be no byes unless they really did something strange.



If college football. Of course it's going to be strange.

WaldoWings
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This is too many teams, but it would have been at least entertaining. I used to be the biggest proponent of including the little guy, but it has proven to be a massive bore fest including them. They stand no chance.

In basketball it works, but it doesn't translate in football. There are only so many giant freak athletes to go around and by the time we get to the playoffs it is the two little engines that "could" facing 10 locomotives - 6 of those being locomotives that not only "could", but almost always "do".

I will say, though, that while 16 and 24 is too many to accomplish the goal of finding the national champion, I love that cfb lasts longer, so the bigger it is, the longer I get to watch. As long as it includes only the SEC, Big10, ACC, and Big12(still pointless, but whatever), go big, baby!
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AozorAg said:

MORE college football games every year?? Oh no!! Not that!

LOL this. More MEANINGFUL games. Not just regular bowl games. Win or go home intensity games.
Ive always said if you don't like 16 teams or even 24, just don't watch the first few weeks of the playoffs until it gets down to the number of teams you think it should be. This is an opportunity to have more home playoff games for teams. That's one huge positive.
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SunrayAg said:

12 is already too many. Should be no more than 8.

Miami says otherwise.
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The more meaningful post season college football the better. This means get rid of meaningless bowl games and expand playoffs.

I don't know what the number is but reality is the larger the number the more Big10 and SEC schools included. With only the 'power 4' conferences there is a risk of having too many subpar teams in the playoffs.

Not sure what you do with the James Madisons and Tulanes of the world. Unlike college basketball there is just too big of a difference between the power and non power conferences. This is more about giving teams like Oregon and Ole Miss 1st round cake walks vs not including the smaller conferences.

The reality college football is a mess right now and no good answer without major restructuring.
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I could change my position on this daily. But today, given the decay of the bowl games (we all agree even the "good ones" are awful, right?), expansion to 24 would be in the best interest of all college football programs. I don't think anyone can prevent a bowl game from being put on by anyone that wants to create one and some teams may agree to play in them, but shift more teams away from irrelevant bowls and into playoff games. Everybody benefits. But if 24 is a good number, then why not 32? If someone said 32 teams I'd probably give the same answer.
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Top 16. No byes. That's roughly what we do today with the byes. It will be like the Sweet 16. Then Elite 8. Then Final 4. Get rid of the CFP committee and have a computer program equally weight the AP and Coaches polls to determine the 16.
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jamey said:

Big not only wants 24 but a giant pile of AQs and a lot of bad matchups, kinda like the Big10s regular season



I think 16 is the best, no byes but 12 beats 24 and a pile of AQs


I bet the Big wants 24 so that espn loses exclusive rights to the playoffs

I bet their tv partners (mostly fox) are pushing the big10 behind the scenes for this so they can get a piece of the playoff games
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Gnome Sayin said:

Top 4 conference champions. Done


Just mind blowingly stupid. Let's give an automatic pass to the winners of two minor league conferences every single year. Oh and let's throw in Ohio state who is propped up by the voters and plays no one.

Absolutely absurd that anyone could think this, decide in their head it made sense, smile, and then type it out on Texags.
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Mort Rainey said:

Gnome Sayin said:

Top 4 conference champions. Done


Just mind blowingly stupid. Let's give an automatic pass to the winners of two minor league conferences every single year. Oh and let's throw in Ohio state who is propped up by the voters and plays no one.

Absolutely absurd that anyone could think this, decide in their head it made sense, smile, and then type it out on Texags.

Because it's mind-blowingly stupid to say "hey, here's you're MNC trophy even though you weren't the best in your conference". Had this scenario been implemented we'd have: Indiana, Tech, Georgia and Miami. Not terribly far off from what we have now.

But hey, let's add more teams with 3-4 losses in the mix and let committees decide who gets in rather then just let the games play themselves out during the season.
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The conference championship of dissimilar schedules is as useless as the old BCS national championship

W/L = Your Team / Your Teams Schedule

Its exactly 50% team and 50% who they play


Of course a natty winner doesnt have to be a conference champion


And nevermind teams improve, some much more than others over the course of a season. That strive for excellence is at the very root of sport. To ignore it would be some commie socialist BS


The national championship is looking for the best final product
WaldoWings
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I just think it all comes down to what is the intent? Are we truly wanting to crown a logical champion, which can be done with only having conference champs play, or are we wanting a bit of unpredictability and to be entertained longer. Or do we want all of that? To each their own, but I think personally I would like it all.
Ag K2'93
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BIG is pushing 24 to get Fox more inventory. there is no altruistic motive only money.

you know its a bad take when other conferences are siding with Sankey
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By the end of the 2012, we were the best team in the country or at minimum would have played for the title.

With the NIL and portal now, some teams will take a full season to gel even more with all the moving parts.

12-16 is where it should stay. This like much of America is about money not "that's not fair."

Soon there will be a second playoff for G5. Even many in G4 don't bring enough money to the table to be invited to the party.
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8 teams - done.

Cut one weekend out - season is getting too long and athletes are getting hurt.

P4 Conference champs and 4 at large.

ND- join a conference or take your chances...
Nino Brown
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WaldoWings said:

I just think it all comes down to what is the intent? Are we truly wanting to crown a logical champion, which can be done with only having conference champs play, or are we wanting a bit of unpredictability and to be entertained longer. Or do we want all of that? To each their own, but I think personally I would like it all.


Once you have a payroll, generating more revenue over rides a "logical champion" in every aspect of America.

I might be the best parent in the world, but if I don't generate enough revenue, I have no chance to win in family court.

Land of the free, home of the more free if wealthy. Welcome to America.
WaldoWings
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Nino Brown said:

WaldoWings said:

I just think it all comes down to what is the intent? Are we truly wanting to crown a logical champion, which can be done with only having conference champs play, or are we wanting a bit of unpredictability and to be entertained longer. Or do we want all of that? To each their own, but I think personally I would like it all.


Once you have a payroll, generating more revenue over rides a "logical champion" in every aspect of America.

I might be the best parent in the world, but if I don't generate enough revenue, I have no chance to win in family court.

Land of the free, home of the more free if wealthy. Welcome to America.


I agree. We all want more entertainment and that's what they're gonna sell us. So I think we're heading to a bigger and bigger playoff as time goes on because that makes a lot more money. But who knows where it absolutely stops at.

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SunrayAg said:

12 is already too many. Should be no more than 8.


22 stars award your opinion. That means there are 23 people here who are wrong and want only 8 or 12.

Yet 16 is the answer for thousands of deep thinking Ags.

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BTW, anyone who says...

"Do X/Y/Z - DONE"

...obviously does not understand the politics, economics and desire to keep lawsuits away from the process.

If it were truly that easy, it would have been done years ago.
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Think Jan 19 is late?

Next year it's Jan 25
TX AG 88
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Holy crap, that's stupid... particularly considering the trend for bye teams!
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Ag K2'93 said:

BIG is pushing 24 to get Fox more inventory. there is no altruistic motive only money.

you know its a bad take when other conferences are siding with Sankey


This guy gets it.
Jarrin Jay
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Personally I think 12 is fine, it just takes too damned long. I would only support 16 to get rid of the byes and speed up the process. 24 is just ridiculous.

16 teams, first round on campus.
2nd round in traditional upper level but not "NY6" bowl games (Citrus, Outback, etc.).

QFs and SFs in "NY6" bowls but the QFs will now be late mid to late Dec. before Christmas.

Semi-finals should be on NYE/NYD, play NC game the next weekend, so all done early January.
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I am fine with no G5 teams in the post-season, but if that's the case, get rid of those games during the regular season.

If P4 teams are going to schedule 25-33% of their schedule with G5, then they should be in the playoffs.

My preference is quit P4 v G5 games, and replace with P4 v P4 interconference play.


All playoff games at the higher seed's home stadium until the championship game. The regular season should matter.
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Logos Stick said:

12 is enough, get rid of G5.

I'm good with 4 teams - the P4 Conference Champions.

The Conf Championship games are essentially the first round of the playoffs.

AND, finish college football by Jan 1st.
"So long as an opinion is strongly rooted in the feelings, it gains rather than loses in stability by having a preponderating weight of argument against it."

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Jarrin Jay
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Well that is just asinine. You think the Big 12 champ is more deserving than several SEC or B1G teams that are not conference champs? You must be a Technical fan. If you stick with 4 teams conference champs shouldn't even be a factor at all.


As for expansion, 14 teams with just the top 2 getting a bye would work also, like the NFL playoffs.
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Actually, I think he's a Longhorn, and I agree with him. I hate the rampant favoritism/politicking in CFB. Anything that can be done to remove/reduce that is a positive, imho. Might lead to more realignment as the B1G and SEC would be tougher to win than others, and this realignment could be more geographic in nature (no need for UCLA to play in the Midwest or east coast, e.g.).
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Gnome Sayin said:

Mort Rainey said:

Gnome Sayin said:

Top 4 conference champions. Done


Just mind blowingly stupid. Let's give an automatic pass to the winners of two minor league conferences every single year. Oh and let's throw in Ohio state who is propped up by the voters and plays no one.

Absolutely absurd that anyone could think this, decide in their head it made sense, smile, and then type it out on Texags.

Because it's mind-blowingly stupid to say "hey, here's you're MNC trophy even though you weren't the best in your conference". Had this scenario been implemented we'd have: Indiana, Tech, Georgia and Miami. Not terribly far off from what we have now.

But hey, let's add more teams with 3-4 losses in the mix and let committees decide who gets in rather then just let the games play themselves out during the season.


1. Miami didn't win the acc so they wouldn't even be in

This year the 4th highest ranked conference champ was Tulane

So you'd have a playoff of Indiana, tech, Georgia and Tulane: 3 of those lost their opening playoff games with 2 of them getting crushed

2. Wildcards win the Super Bowl in the nfl, it's not just division winners that win it

Things happen during the regular season like injuries, teams not yet gelling etc…that make teams lose games and not win their conferences

Expanded playoff accounts for that



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Just an Ag said:

I could change my position on this daily. But today, given the decay of the bowl games (we all agree even the "good ones" are awful, right?), expansion to 24 would be in the best interest of all college football programs. I don't think anyone can prevent a bowl game from being put on by anyone that wants to create one and some teams may agree to play in them, but shift more teams away from irrelevant bowls and into playoff games. Everybody benefits. But if 24 is a good number, then why not 32? If someone said 32 teams I'd probably give the same answer.

Genuinely think if it goes to 24 teams I might actually get to a point with this sport where I don't have to care anymore. Just tune in in December and hope for the best. You'll be looking at the same 40-50 teams competing for those 24 spots every season, the regular season will lose a ton of luster.
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GrapevineAg said:

Actually, I think he's a Longhorn, and I agree with him. I hate the rampant favoritism/politicking in CFB. Anything that can be done to remove/reduce that is a positive, imho. Might lead to more realignment as the B1G and SEC would be tougher to win than others, and this realignment could be more geographic in nature (no need for UCLA to play in the Midwest or east coast, e.g.).

I am a Longhorn
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GrapevineAg
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Yeah, seems like I've seen you on this site for years. Cheers
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Expand to 16. Get rid of G5. No byes. Want the best teams in playoffs at end of year in addition to teams that have "earned" it. 2012 Aggies were probably the best team at the end of the season but JFF needed a couple mulligans early. Just as Miami is hot after a slow start.
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24 Teams. The BIG must be planning on having a lot of mouths to feed. I wonder how much more they are going to expand.
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TX AG 88 said:

BMX Bandit said:

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. I like 16. The bye isn't helping these teams anyways.


The 16 team proposal includes byes

How would that work?

16 is 2^4 so there should be no byes unless they really did something strange.

First round:
1 vs 16
2 vs 15
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8 vs 9

no byes


If it goes to 16 and there are byes
8-16 play CCG weekend on campus

Winners play 5-8 probably also on campus just like this year

Winners play 1-4 in the traditional Big Bowls New years
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I agree with OP. 16-team playoff. No byes. No automatic bids. Forget the CFP Committee. Combine AP Sportswriters Poll and USA TODAY Coaches Poll and play the combined top 16 off each other. Weight if you want to overcome regional and conference bias.
 
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