I wonder what Marcel's completion percentage would be, compared to a very accurate passer like F. Mendoza, if you removed the completed passes that were too low, too high, to far behind or out front of the receiver to allow for significant YAC? I know what many will say about this question, but if you are speaking about Heisman level QB play this is a significant factor although certainly not the only one. Never been a coach, but did play some QB in HS. My coaches would have expected significant improvement in this area year over year.

I would just look at touchdowns and interceptions vs. P-4 (and ND) opponents

Marcel's footballs only seemed to have one speed. I feel like he was thinking he had to throw fireballs because of SEC defensive speed because he did not throw any touch passes. Every single pass was a fireball. Ridiculous.

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"Improvement can be made, but I've always felt when it comes to accuracy, you either have it or you don't"
- Sun Tzu

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Good feet placement can improve accuracy along with a good throwing motion. He seems to lack both and needs to really work on that this spring.

Reed has no touch on his passes

This board is never gonna stop talking about Reed's lack of accuracy, huh?

Same thing over and over.

Hot Corner said:

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I wonder what Marcel's completion percentage would be, compared to a very accurate passer like F. Mendoza, if you removed the completed passes that were too low, too high, to far behind or out front of the receiver to allow for significant YAC? I know what many will say about this question, but if you are speaking about Heisman level QB play this is a significant factor although certainly not the only one. Never been a coach, but did play some QB in HS. My coaches would have expected significant improvement in this area year over year.

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Stats don't mean a thing compared to the won-loss record. What's on the scoreboard when the final second ticks off is what matters. He has not improved in two years. When he can't find a receiver, he starts dancing with nervous feet, then most of the time he is sacked. The last pass he threw was to a tight end in the end zone during the Miami game which was two arms lengths behind the receiver. Reed is not A&M's quarterback of the future.

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Peter Piper said:

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This board is never gonna stop talking about Reed's lack of accuracy, huh?

Same thing over and over.

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We'll stop talking about it when he becomes more accurate.

So yes, you are correct.

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I think we should have a moratorium until after the Arizona State game.

Oh good, another one of these threads

Marcel struggles with touch which is an issue on deep shots and short passes. Klein struggled with calling smart plays in crucial moments and calling plays to a players' strengths. We lost our top RB and the OL regressed.

All of these things are true.

And a better OC would get better results out of Reed, regardless of these limitations.

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Hot Corner said:

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I wonder what Marcel's completion percentage would be, compared to a very accurate passer like F. Mendoza, if you removed the completed passes that were too low, too high, to far behind or out front of the receiver to allow for significant YAC? I know what many will say about this question, but if you are speaking about Heisman level QB play this is a significant factor although certainly not the only one. Never been a coach, but did play some QB in HS. My coaches would have expected significant improvement in this area year over year.

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Stats don't mean a thing compared to the won-loss record. What's on the scoreboard when the final second ticks off is what matters. He has not improved in two years. When he can't find a receiver, he starts dancing with nervous feet, then most of the time he is sacked. The last pass he threw was to a tight end in the end zone during the Miami game which was two arms lengths behind the receiver. Reed is not A&M's quarterback of the future.

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The way Reed finished the year left a lot to be desired, but boy this is a little extreme.

If scoreboard is all that matters, then I'd consider an 11-1 regular season and first ever playoff appearance pretty strong. He absolutely improved from 2024 to 2025 in just about every sense of the word.

What we don't know as fans is what is actually happening. We know what we see on TV. It felt like when we stalled on offense it was when Klein was asking Reed to win from the pocket. He doesn't seem to be a guy that is/was ready to do that with consistency. We saw some flashes, like the throw to KC against SC to set up the go-ahead TD, but maybe he never will be that. But when we went with tempo and quick game we had more success. I don't know why we found ourselves in those ruts, and it's easy to default to Reed. I guess we'll find out more under Wiggins.

Reed is QB1 in 2026. And I hate to break it to you, but unless we find an absolute stud in Casuga or somehow Jayce Johnson comes in and is ready to start as a true freshman, then it's probably Reed in 2027 too. I don't think he'll put enough on tape to be a first round guy, and I doubt Elko would spend resources to bring anybody in via the portal to replace a would-be 4th year QB1.

Here are some passing stat splits for the people who just want to focus on one thing and ignore the special teams sucking donkey ****, the team's sack leader getting zero sacks in final three games, rushing defense gap misses, etc.

Peter Piper said:

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This board is never gonna stop talking about Reed's lack of accuracy, huh?

Same thing over and over.

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same thing over and over. Regardless of outcome. Regardless of scheme. Regardless of personnel. Same thing, over and over.

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Here are some passing stat splits for the people who just want to focus on one thing and ignore the special teams sucking donkey ****, the team's sack leader getting zero sacks in final three games, rushing defense gap misses, etc.

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That to me screams playcalling issues more than anything else. It's certainly harder to find open guys on a narrowed field approaching the goal, but to have that big a drop off means Klein's scheme fell off a cliff inside the 20.

Interesting

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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90 plus percent of reeds problems stem from his feet. if he gets those cleaned up his completion percentage will go uo by at least 5%. he threw at least 25% of his balls with bad to terrible lower half mechanics. if he can make progress on that front the rest will come.

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This.

Man great question. Would be cool to see what his completion percentage would be with less completions.

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tk for tu juan said:

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Here are some passing stat splits for the people who just want to focus on one thing and ignore the special teams sucking donkey ****, the team's sack leader getting zero sacks in final three games, rushing defense gap misses, etc.

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That to me screams playcalling issues more than anything else. It's certainly harder to find open guys on a narrowed field approaching the goal, but to have that big a drop off means Klein's scheme fell off a cliff inside the 20.

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Not exactly a well reasoned conclusion imo. Comparing Marcel's splits to some of the top QBs this year, their dropoffs in completion percentage in the red zone vs not are as follows:

Marcel: ~13%
Mendoza: ~10%
Moore: ~23%
Beck: ~10%

The main difference is that all these QBs except Marcel are just about at 73% completion while not in the redzone. Marcel is sitting at a cool 63%. That's gotta improve.

King of the Dairy Queen said:

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On deep balls: 10 yards short
On short balls: 10 yards high

Do medium throws.

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You forgot to add...

Receiver needs to be slow and tall

Hot Corner said:

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I wonder what Marcel's completion percentage would be, compared to a very accurate passer like F. Mendoza, if you removed the completed passes that were too low, too high, to far behind or out front of the receiver to allow for significant YAC? I know what many will say about this question, but if you are speaking about Heisman level QB play this is a significant factor although certainly not the only one. Never been a coach, but did play some QB in HS. My coaches would have expected significant improvement in this area year over year.

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This is the right way to look at it. Completion percentage doesn't necessarily measure a QB's accuracy because it doesn't take into account great catches by the WRs. There are advanced metrics that the NFL uses to measure QB accuracy but I don't know if they are available for college QBs. If there are, they are probably only available behind a paywall.

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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tk for tu juan said:

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Here are some passing stat splits for the people who just want to focus on one thing and ignore the special teams sucking donkey ****, the team's sack leader getting zero sacks in final three games, rushing defense gap misses, etc.

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That to me screams playcalling issues more than anything else. It's certainly harder to find open guys on a narrowed field approaching the goal, but to have that big a drop off means Klein's scheme fell off a cliff inside the 20.

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Not exactly a well reasoned conclusion imo. Comparing Marcel's splits to some of the top QBs this year, their dropoffs in completion percentage in the red zone vs not are as follows:

Marcel: ~13%
Mendoza: ~10%
Moore: ~23%
Beck: ~10%

The main difference is that all these QBs except Marcel are just about at 73% completion while not in the redzone. Marcel is sitting at a cool 63%. That's gotta improve.

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Good research. I stand corrected.

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tk for tu juan said:

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Here are some passing stat splits for the people who just want to focus on one thing and ignore the special teams sucking donkey ****, the team's sack leader getting zero sacks in final three games, rushing defense gap misses, etc.

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That to me screams playcalling issues more than anything else. It's certainly harder to find open guys on a narrowed field approaching the goal, but to have that big a drop off means Klein's scheme fell off a cliff inside the 20.

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What cliff? 19 of his TD passes were inside the 20, 7 inside the 10. The insinuation of many "experts" here is he has no touch.

SMDH........

I'm sorry, but 10 just doesn't have what it takes to be QB1 on a championship level team. The last 2 games made that very clear.

I believe the ability of a QB to accurately hit receivers in stride will encourage a defense to keep defenders further away from the line of scrimmage. This can enhance the running game of the offense.

Conversely, a QB that cannot accurately hit receivers in stride reduces the concern by the defense of explosive plays, allowing the defense to play closer to the line of scrimmage and hinder the rushing game of the offense.

Hot Corner said:

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I wonder what Marcel's completion percentage would be, compared to a very accurate passer like F. Mendoza, if you removed the completed passes that were too low, too high, to far behind or out front of the receiver to allow for significant YAC? I know what many will say about this question, but if you are speaking about Heisman level QB play this is a significant factor although certainly not the only one. Never been a coach, but did play some QB in HS. My coaches would have expected significant improvement in this area year over year.

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Reeds stats don't put points on the scoreboard, and, I don't think there is any need to count on him winning the Heisman!

While I would love to be one to believe that Marcel will make that natural progression in accuracy, the terrible promotion of Joey Lynch gives me no such confidence. This was honestly the top objective of the offseason for me to improve coaching in this department, and we just completely fell flat. I do agree that Collin Klein didn't emphasize accuracy enough with his QBs, but if you want to see coach that's even worse in that department, go look at the completion percentages of Coach Lynch's QBs at Vandy (I'll give you a hint, it's under 60%). In fact, his first QB actually REGRESSED from his first to second season. What's the most frustrating thing to me is that there has been absolutely no media coverage or critique of it. Incredible that with all BS offseason topics that we come up with to discuss we don't discuss maybe the TOP one. At the very least, I'd like to hear someone attempt to defend it.

However, not all is lost IF the coaches will run Marcel more, the receivers are incredible at catching/YAC, and the defense truly becomes a top 15 unit. If we can do 2 of those 3, I think we have the ability to be in the playoff discussion throughout the season.

Part of me feels like the Lynch promotion was pushed by Reed's side. They have a prior relationship, and there's really no other way to rationalize hire.